Are MGTOWers all a bunch of closet romantics? In a recent discussion of some research which concluded that men value kissing and cuddling more than women in long-term relationships, a number of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com confessed that they … actually missed the affections of women.
BeijaFlor reported
I’ve gotten along for decades without sex OR cuddling. And I miss the cuddling, the snuggly affectionate feel of a loving partner, FAR more than I miss the sex. That’s one reason why I don’t call the call-girls; all they offer is the sex.
Golem added:
I’m going to have to agree with the touch thing, too. Hell, I can cut my own hair, but I’ll still drop the cash to have it done with a wash and a scalp massage just for the contact.
That’s actually just really … sad.
Even Nightstorm2516 — the legendary theorist of the Mousetrap Vagina – offered a poignant confession of his own:
I don’t know anyone elses reasoning for cuddling over sex but my own personal reason would be a huge deprivation in my life of affection. I get zero from women so thats a no-go for me. My male friends think hugging is gay via society programming so men show affection by “bumping fists” and “being cool”. My dad IS anti-affection. My mom showed me some affection, but she was so busy working to the bones, I don’t think I ever got enough. My sister and brother never showed me any love.
I think I value cuddling just because its something I never got to do. 26 Years without affection.. dam thats a long time.
That’s actually sort of heartbreaking – at least until I remember that this is the same guy who once argued that vaginas were like strange venom-injecting mousetraps:
This poison … creeps into the male brain and literally makes him stupid, it shuts down his intellect, and activates all his hormones for more pussy. She’s got the bastard. Now she can slowly but surely take all his wealth and keep pumping more poison into him.
It sucks – I mean really, genuinely sucks — that you got no affection from your parents, dude. But if you view women as monsters secretly plotting to entrap you with their vagina-poison, you’re not likely to get a lot of affection from them.
If you want to live a life that has more to it than bitterness and misery, get yourself off of MGTOWforums.com and find a good therapist.
And whatever you do, don’t listen to avoidwoman, MGTOWforums’ budding futurist, who thinks he’s got a woman-free solution to the affection deficit: perfectly realistic robogirls, which he predicts will be here in 2030. (Let’s just hope they’re a bit more reliable than the Cherry 2000 model.)
Yep, we’re back to the topic of sexy robot ladies.
In several comments in the thread, starting with this one, avoidwomen explained his waiting game:
I personally don’t even care for sex and I never want it. I would love romance, such as cuddling and kissing but not with human women, only women substitutes! …
I will get the chance to cuddle as much as I want by 2030 with robogirls and probably earlier when VR technology becomes advanced enough for the simulation to feel realistic. …
The few times I got the chance to be romantic with women, I really enjoyed it and never thought of going “further” or being “sexual” whatsoever. …
Then we got a reminder of just why he’s not getting affection from real, live human women:
Nowdays I just avoid women like the snakes they are! …
I am no white knight in real life, I will not protect a woman. But when VR and robogirls come, I will hold them in my arms. My robogirl will protect me outside the house and inside the house, I will cuddle and hold her. 🙂
Someday, his robotic princess will come.
Thanks, Magpie, for forcefully chucking me off the edge of the Uncanny Valley… :p
You do realize that the vast vast majority of straight male nerds are not, nor will ever be, MGTOW right? Many of them are in happy relationships with women, and the majority of those who are not wish to be. Also, wanting to fuck an animal doesn’t usually make you an excellent pet owner… nor does “love” equal “fetishize.”
Slow me down if I’m talking too fast for ya, here.
(More to the point, someone just posted a video of an animatronic cat robot with a Japanese woman doing the voiceover… shouldn’t you be jacking off right now?)
I gave that cat to my Aunt who is in a nursing home and misses her cat. It really does look like a cat, sitting on the bed. When you switch it on and pat it, it leans back like ‘rub my tummy’. The fur doesn’t feel like real fur, and the body is hard if you pat it too hard, but I found myself talking to it, and patting it more when it rolled over or touched me with it’s paw.
Well, you’re the blogowner after all, and yes, Sankakucomplex and Nekomimichan are skeevy, but I assure you, though, TVTropes is as skeevey as Wikipedia (It’s basically wikipedia for nerds)…
Owwwww Bagelsan! Did you have to quote Juan’s words? Here I was happily skipping all his posts – now I feel all yucky. I really liked that bloody robot cat. 🙁 Now I don’t even want to think about it
“You do realize that the vast vast majority of straight male nerds are not, nor will ever be, MGTOW right? ”
There’s the casual fans and there’s the SERIOUS fans 😀
“Also, wanting to fuck an animal doesn’t usually make you an excellent pet owner… nor does “love” equal “fetishize.””
There are worlds where this does happen, you know hehehe
“shouldn’t you be jacking off right now”
This is the internet after all and humans have two hands so …
Sorry, Magpie! ^^; If it makes you feel better, that story about your aunt was legit cute, and actually made me start liking those cats. (So I guess we converted each other? ;p)
S’OK, Bagelsan 🙂 The uncanny valley is in a slightly different place for everyone :3
The cleaner at the home nearly had a heart attack when he went into an empty room and the cat meowed at him!
1) Picture of an MRA (me): http://en.gravatar.com/jeremiahmra
2) Picture of a misandrist (David Futrelle): http://msmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/themes/news_10/images/team/368.jpg
Please vote on who’s the creepazoid. 1 or 2?
“1) Picture of an MRA (me): http://en.gravatar.com/jeremiahmra
2) Picture of a misandrist (David Futrelle): http://msmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/themes/news_10/images/team/368.jpg
Please vote on who’s the creepazoid. 1 or 2?”
Easy answer. 1.
In the future, if you don’t want people to think you’re a “creepazoid”, don’t smile like one. Your smug “I’m better than everyone else” smile is off-putting. That your smile doesn’t reach your eyes is downright chilling. You’re trying to say one thing with your smile, but it doesn’t happen because your eyes are declaring the truth for everyone to see.
Am I supposed to think David is creepy because he wears glasses? Maybe because he’s not perfectly slender? I don’t know. I don’t see anything creepy. If I see anything at all, it appears to be a man who actually didn’t volunteer to be in that photo.
Wow. Is every self-styled “male feminist blogger” on the net a chubby pasty middle-aged nerd with some kind of goatee and a smug scowl? I’m not even exaggerating – PZ Myers, Ampersand, Jeff Fecke, Richard Pilbeam, this guy…
BTW, for contrast, I love how some woman “outed” Roissy a while ago by posting his pictures, where he was actually quite good-looking, so she started making stuff up like “oh, he totally dresses like he’s in college! And I bet he has a small dick!” :p
I’d just like women here to ask themselves who they’d rather have around their children, a pervy looking bastard like Futrelle, or basically anyone else? Lol.
Yes, we feminists are clearly the shallow ones here.
And for the record, one picture looks like a professor (ie. the kind of person people pay to have around their children) and one looks like a bro (ie. the kind of person people pray their children don’t turn into.) Three guesses who is who.
Wowza, shesaid, I didn’t know I had to smile so big to take a pic! Sorry, but I only smile big when I’m amused or when I’m laughing, like right now. Funny thing is, everyone compliments me on my huge smile. My boss at work (female) did too. Gosh, I guess I should have filed a sexual harassment suit, like a feminist would have in my situation. But wowee, I just took it as a compliment.
It’s not the size of your smile, dude. It’s what it’s saying. Not that I expect you to understand that. It’s something neurotypical people rarely comprehend on a conscious level.
My husband weighs in on the question:
“Going by just the pictures, I’d say I’d talk to #2 before #1. Because #1 looks like a douchebag.”
And:
“I showed the image to Morten, no context given, and he said the main thing he got off his face was smugness.”
But to reiterate, Futrelle does not even begin to look more creepy than you. Also, nice douchbag sunglasses. They’re very fitting.
it’s amazing how NOT shallow I am, but I’m well aware of women’s superficiality.
Lol, I’m a “bro” now? Oh my!
I’ve got to admit I’m smiling my ass off right now.
Sorry I couldn’t properly please you by succumbing to your demands, but I must venture to bed with my hot, intelligent, not sexist fiancee.
Nighty night all!
Remember, people, I’m a smug douchebag, while Futrelle is a creepy weirdo.
“She lives in Canada, which is why you’ve never met her, but she is definitely real…”
What does ‘creep’ or ‘creepy’ mean to you? Is it something you can tell from a photo?
Anyone else ever start to feel like you’re talking to a Furby? You know, you try to engage it in real conversation and it just whines back about how it’s hungry or wants you to tell it a story.
What does ‘creep’ or ‘creepy’ mean to you? Is it something you can tell from a photo?
Lol, if you don’t think Futrelle is creepy something is definitely wrong with you.
Normally women use the term creepy to merely refer to someone who is not attractive to them. But in this instance, let me clarify. Futrelle looks like a mentally disturbed pedophile.
And yes, you can tell a lot about a person by how they appear. Note the above descriptions of me. A smug douchebag. In fact, I’m not a douchebag in person, but it would be somewhat accurate to call me a smug asshole. See, you can tell a lot about a person by their picture.
And futrelle looks like he should be in a mental hospital to protect the rest of us from him. Even you can admit that, if not here, at least to yourself. You saw the pic, lol.
Anyway, you guys are really motivating me to do a video to show people what an MRA looks like and what a mangina looks like. it would be pretty amusing. Me vs. Futrelle, hahaha. Okay, I’ve got to admit I made it easy by going against that creep, but let’s just say I’m taking a tip from Manboobz – why should I focus on the entirety of feminism when I can focus on the real nuts like Futrelle?
Let’s see what I think about it in the morning.
Okay, I’m really going to bed now! Night night.
you can tell a paedophile from a photo? You should work for the police! think of the good you could do!
Juan can too! Wait, that was a mirror…
Hey, TAB, isn’t your totally-not-fictional hot fiancee waiting for you? Hate to think she’s lonely while you’re obsessively googling Futrelle photos…
You should seriously, seriously do that. I want to see that so bad. My level head is telling me there is no way you’re as douchey and hilarious on film as in writing, but my snarky heart hopes “yes”… Either way that video would be epic.
I know you won’t do it, of course. Why break a perfectly good losing streak by actually satisfying a woman, for once?
Aw, TAB. It’s great that you took a picture of yourself where you think you look pretty good, and where your receding hairline isn’t immediately obvious, but posting it in every single thread and begging for compliments is going a little overboard. Just make it your cell phone pic or something.
David looks adorable, not that his looks have any bearing whatsoever on the truth and wit of his writing. It’s just that me and nerdy guys with glasses, we go way back.