Are MGTOWers all a bunch of closet romantics? In a recent discussion of some research which concluded that men value kissing and cuddling more than women in long-term relationships, a number of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com confessed that they … actually missed the affections of women.
BeijaFlor reported
I’ve gotten along for decades without sex OR cuddling. And I miss the cuddling, the snuggly affectionate feel of a loving partner, FAR more than I miss the sex. That’s one reason why I don’t call the call-girls; all they offer is the sex.
Golem added:
I’m going to have to agree with the touch thing, too. Hell, I can cut my own hair, but I’ll still drop the cash to have it done with a wash and a scalp massage just for the contact.
That’s actually just really … sad.
Even Nightstorm2516 — the legendary theorist of the Mousetrap Vagina – offered a poignant confession of his own:
I don’t know anyone elses reasoning for cuddling over sex but my own personal reason would be a huge deprivation in my life of affection. I get zero from women so thats a no-go for me. My male friends think hugging is gay via society programming so men show affection by “bumping fists” and “being cool”. My dad IS anti-affection. My mom showed me some affection, but she was so busy working to the bones, I don’t think I ever got enough. My sister and brother never showed me any love.
I think I value cuddling just because its something I never got to do. 26 Years without affection.. dam thats a long time.
That’s actually sort of heartbreaking – at least until I remember that this is the same guy who once argued that vaginas were like strange venom-injecting mousetraps:
This poison … creeps into the male brain and literally makes him stupid, it shuts down his intellect, and activates all his hormones for more pussy. She’s got the bastard. Now she can slowly but surely take all his wealth and keep pumping more poison into him.
It sucks – I mean really, genuinely sucks — that you got no affection from your parents, dude. But if you view women as monsters secretly plotting to entrap you with their vagina-poison, you’re not likely to get a lot of affection from them.
If you want to live a life that has more to it than bitterness and misery, get yourself off of MGTOWforums.com and find a good therapist.
And whatever you do, don’t listen to avoidwoman, MGTOWforums’ budding futurist, who thinks he’s got a woman-free solution to the affection deficit: perfectly realistic robogirls, which he predicts will be here in 2030. (Let’s just hope they’re a bit more reliable than the Cherry 2000 model.)
Yep, we’re back to the topic of sexy robot ladies.
In several comments in the thread, starting with this one, avoidwomen explained his waiting game:
I personally don’t even care for sex and I never want it. I would love romance, such as cuddling and kissing but not with human women, only women substitutes! …
I will get the chance to cuddle as much as I want by 2030 with robogirls and probably earlier when VR technology becomes advanced enough for the simulation to feel realistic. …
The few times I got the chance to be romantic with women, I really enjoyed it and never thought of going “further” or being “sexual” whatsoever. …
Then we got a reminder of just why he’s not getting affection from real, live human women:
Nowdays I just avoid women like the snakes they are! …
I am no white knight in real life, I will not protect a woman. But when VR and robogirls come, I will hold them in my arms. My robogirl will protect me outside the house and inside the house, I will cuddle and hold her. 🙂
Someday, his robotic princess will come.
NWO, how do you think these guys express wanting to be held? “C’mere, bitch,” or something equally guaranteed to set the cuddling mood? Not many people want to give attention to those who hate them.
kristinmh,
good argument against the puppies, but kittens are still not a solution – as we all know the Pussy Cartel keeps the supply artificially low to raise prices, so there are simply not enough. Birds are also right out – too free, with all that flying and stuff, how could one ever trust them? Rodents may be a good solution, but are they cuddly enough? Further research seems necessary.
@CB – “Hey women on Manboobz:
Come the Revolution, can I stay with you? You know, in your all-female utopia? Because the alternative isn’t looking so attractive right now.”
Sure, because if Antz Revolution comes it won’t be one society of men and one society of women…it will be one society of MRAs and one society of everyone else.
HOLLY: How can you tell if a woman is not a slut?
CLEVERBOT: I just know.
HOLLY: How can you tell if a woman is a slut?
CLEVERBOT: If he admits it to you or if he always wants to talk to you, and sometimes if he teases you or blushes.
So yeah, I’m getting better answers out of a literal robot (albeit one with pronoun trouble and distressingly judgemental views) than out of NWO.
And then…
HOLLY: How can men and women have better relations?
CLEVERBOT: Please answer, men.
Kilo,
Rates are pretty cuddly actually. 8/10 would buy again.
@NWO – “@theLaplaceDemon
“Does that control for time spent with the child?” Why do you make an excuse when women kill children? Do you make any when a man abuses a woman?”
I am not making excuses. Women who kill children are monsters.
My point is this: If childcare was evenly divided between men and women, the gender gap would disappear.
Kinda sad, isn’t it? Sad, but oddly hilarious.
Also, NWO like Holly said – we’re still waiting for a picture of a woman who is dressed in a non-slutty manner.
My conversation with Cleverbot on the same subject:
I’m feeling illuminated!
@hellkell
“NWO, how do you think these guys express wanting to be held? “C’mere, bitch,” or something equally guaranteed to set the cuddling mood? Not many people want to give attention to those who hate them.”
I’m pretty tired, another long day, but I’ll answer you before I turn.
This is an example of misandry being indoctrinated as acceptable. A man saying “C’mere, bitch” as an example of a man expressing emotion. It’s a tough habit to break since you’ve been taught it’s preferred to talk about men as if they’re shit since you were born.
And of course you’ll accuse men of hating women while heaping hatred upon them. Just another form of social manipulation women have been taught to use on men to make themselves out to be the “victim.”
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Everyone else’s comments are nothing more than childish jibberish, What the hell, I’ll answer Holly dearest as well. Since all women are individuals, otherwise I wouldn’t see them as human. And every women has sexual agency. Whatever ever any woman wears or acts like is her own choice, and any choice any woman makes is right for her. Therefore, if a woman is wearing two stamps and a piece of string and she, as an individual says she’s dressed modestly. It’s truth.
NWO: You, calling another comment childish? That’s rich. “How terrible it must be, to have such a nasty, sooty arse,” said that pot to the kettle.
NWO, when you were in school and the teacher asked you what two and two made, did you always answer “It might as well be five, huh? You want me to say five, so I guess I’m your little puppet and it’s five! So there!”–to hide the fact that you were too goddamn ignorant to add?
dammit, ‘THE pot,’ not ‘THAT pot.’ Go, me!
Does word salad count as an answer?
OK, a man saying “c’mere bitch” may be expressing an emotion, but it won’t really get affection in response.
Anyone else want to take a stab at parsing that?
How kind of all of you!!
No sooner did I cite above how hateful modern women were, and how feminism brings out the worst in the human female, there emerged a slew of posts freely written by females(?) in question here proving my point. After reading these past 25 or 30 posts, even if I didn’t know about possibilities in AI, cybernetics, or VR,such intense misogyny would be entirely understandable, if not excusable, and the only place for modern women would be the garbage pail!!
Good Heavens! Such venom! Such malice! All against a curious, thoughtful and observant poster (‘NWOSlave’) whose only “crime” is to disagree with them, and ever so gently to point out that we men have our troubles too–largely at the hands of these despicable pushy and overaggressive modern harpies!
Feminists like them make traditonal sweet old fashioned girls–or even their VR imitations, that much more desirable and irresistable!
As for ‘hellskell’s” run-of-the-mill feminist nastiness against me@ 30August 2011 at 9:20pm, the only reply which that shrike deserves is:
“Only a fool and an ignoramus takes the opinions of mere women seriously”!
wishing you all…
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
That’s Ms. Shrike to you, asshole.
DKM: You can fuck right off to whatever sludge pool spawned you any time you want. Not a single one of us will stand in your way.
Good Heavens! Such venom! Such malice! All against a curious, thoughtful and observant poster (‘NWOSlave’) whose only “crime” is to disagree with them, and ever so gently to point out that we men have our troubles too–largely at the hands of these despicable pushy and overaggressive modern harpies!
oh my god i am laughing so hard i may seriously die of laughing oh my god
DKM, never mind misogyny, the man can’t form a sentence, much less a sentence that actually participates in a coherent conversation.
Seriously, read his posts and try to make head or tail of them. Even if you hate women! Just try to figure out what the fuck he’s even SAYING.
@ NWOslave:
The Tall Greys.
@ DKM:
Veronica Lake.
@theLaplaceDemon
Actually one more comment. But damn am I beat.
“@NWO – “@theLaplaceDemon
“Does that control for time spent with the child?” Why do you make an excuse when women kill children? Do you make any when a man abuses a woman?”
“I am not making excuses. Women who kill children are monsters.”
Yes, you did make an excuse. You made an excuse that there was a “reason” why women kill children more then men. You sought an explaination of a reason “why.” This is an excuse you would never afford a man.
The only reason you would seek an excuse is a lifetime of indoctrination. If not. explain to me why you would try to flesh out a reason for women behavior for killing a child when you won’t afford the same soul searching for a man. Hell, Thomas Ball smacked his child and split her lip and you can’t muster up any sympathy at all. But if a woman does something bad there’s gotta be a reasonable explaination.
Turn into what?
Cats are cool.
I think he is trying to say your example is indicative of misandry as it somehow means that your lady brain is indoctrinated in a greater conspiracy to only to view men with hate? (Pro-tip Slavey, that’s still Patriarchy that does such things) That’s my best guess. Never mind that he could actually respond to the example on the first level, since we are talking about men who have already declared that they hate women, but it’s typical Slavey lack of intelligence. I mean, this is the fake engineer who can’t even do math that we are talking about here. I’m not surprised that the concept of people desiring affection want to be liked by their partners flies straight over his empty head.
NWO, I’m curious, since we’re all supposed to be lobbying against that t-shirt you don’t like, if you or any other MRAs have been lobbying against these t-shirts?
http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/DISCIPLINE-YOUR-BITCH-T-SHIRT-P11323.aspx
http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/50000-BATTERED-WOMEN-AND-I-STILL-EAT-MINE-PLAIN-T-SHIRT-WHITE-INK-P10468.aspx
I mean, as for myself, I think there are probably more important things in the world than offensive t-shirts, and I’m not for censorship, even of vile shit but if you’re opposed to t-shirts that make jokes about violence directed at a particular gender, and you’re not a hypocrite, you should probably be writing some angry emails about these too.
The Reptilians.