Are MGTOWers all a bunch of closet romantics? In a recent discussion of some research which concluded that men value kissing and cuddling more than women in long-term relationships, a number of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com confessed that they … actually missed the affections of women.
BeijaFlor reported
I’ve gotten along for decades without sex OR cuddling. And I miss the cuddling, the snuggly affectionate feel of a loving partner, FAR more than I miss the sex. That’s one reason why I don’t call the call-girls; all they offer is the sex.
Golem added:
I’m going to have to agree with the touch thing, too. Hell, I can cut my own hair, but I’ll still drop the cash to have it done with a wash and a scalp massage just for the contact.
That’s actually just really … sad.
Even Nightstorm2516 — the legendary theorist of the Mousetrap Vagina – offered a poignant confession of his own:
I don’t know anyone elses reasoning for cuddling over sex but my own personal reason would be a huge deprivation in my life of affection. I get zero from women so thats a no-go for me. My male friends think hugging is gay via society programming so men show affection by “bumping fists” and “being cool”. My dad IS anti-affection. My mom showed me some affection, but she was so busy working to the bones, I don’t think I ever got enough. My sister and brother never showed me any love.
I think I value cuddling just because its something I never got to do. 26 Years without affection.. dam thats a long time.
That’s actually sort of heartbreaking – at least until I remember that this is the same guy who once argued that vaginas were like strange venom-injecting mousetraps:
This poison … creeps into the male brain and literally makes him stupid, it shuts down his intellect, and activates all his hormones for more pussy. She’s got the bastard. Now she can slowly but surely take all his wealth and keep pumping more poison into him.
It sucks – I mean really, genuinely sucks — that you got no affection from your parents, dude. But if you view women as monsters secretly plotting to entrap you with their vagina-poison, you’re not likely to get a lot of affection from them.
If you want to live a life that has more to it than bitterness and misery, get yourself off of MGTOWforums.com and find a good therapist.
And whatever you do, don’t listen to avoidwoman, MGTOWforums’ budding futurist, who thinks he’s got a woman-free solution to the affection deficit: perfectly realistic robogirls, which he predicts will be here in 2030. (Let’s just hope they’re a bit more reliable than the Cherry 2000 model.)
Yep, we’re back to the topic of sexy robot ladies.
In several comments in the thread, starting with this one, avoidwomen explained his waiting game:
I personally don’t even care for sex and I never want it. I would love romance, such as cuddling and kissing but not with human women, only women substitutes! …
I will get the chance to cuddle as much as I want by 2030 with robogirls and probably earlier when VR technology becomes advanced enough for the simulation to feel realistic. …
The few times I got the chance to be romantic with women, I really enjoyed it and never thought of going “further” or being “sexual” whatsoever. …
Then we got a reminder of just why he’s not getting affection from real, live human women:
Nowdays I just avoid women like the snakes they are! …
I am no white knight in real life, I will not protect a woman. But when VR and robogirls come, I will hold them in my arms. My robogirl will protect me outside the house and inside the house, I will cuddle and hold her. 🙂
Someday, his robotic princess will come.
I think that the idea is that you would have a machine-brain interface giving you the sensation of actual touch.
That would almost make sense (albeit still be sad), but in previous threads he specifically described his ideal VR system as a pair of video screens over the eyes that would make you dream about exploring the Great Barrier Reef with your perfect mate. Which is an experience I can approximate right now by falling asleep in front of a “Nature”/”Doctor Who” double feature on PBS.
Does that control for time spent with the child?
I’m going to go out on a limb and say “no.”
Nobody’s mentioned yet that we just had an entire thread on this subject:
http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t399-mark-zuckerberg-is-stupid-throw-rocks-at-him
The OP thought it was OK; everyone else strongly opposed it. I both opposed it and affirmed the value of protesting, and that protesters should never be belittled because they could be focusing on more “important” things.
I think a big reason for the “women abuse children more” statistic is that when a man can’t deal with his kids, he almost always has the option to leave them with their mother.
When she can’t deal with them, a lot of the time she’s shit out of luck.
This doesn’t excuse her abusing them, but it does mean that she’s no worse a parent than the father. They’re equally bad, but her failure to deal with her kids is a crime and his isn’t.
Paternity leave and generally more support for involved fathers would help this situation a little; good childcare would help it a lot.
Gnashing your teeth at women and going “see, you’re more badder than us” wouldn’t help even if it were true.
“This is my robogirl. There are many like it but this one is mine. My robogirl is my best friend. It is my life. I must master her as I must master my life. Without me, my robogirl is useless. Without my robogirl I am useless. I must cuddle my robogirl true. I must cuddle with my robogirl harder to defeat my enemy, who is trying to kill me with…..feminism.”
I know, sorta low. But I just can’t get it out of my mind when reading the end of the post and some of the comments.
<blockquoteLI am living the life of my dreams. I am fighting for the freedom and dignity of my people. I am one of a tiny number of warriors calling for liberty amidst the maelstrom of feminist man-hate. I have lived to see that voice heard.
Wow, I can just imagine the wank burns left by his non-typing hand…
I sure hope his kids aren’t real, because apparently all their daddy can offer them is the stench of lotion, ineptitude, misogyny and shame.
Is anyone else getting a Summer Glau vibe from the bot in the picture? All I see is River Tam.
“Is anyone else getting a Summer Glau vibe from the bot in the picture? All I see is River Tam.”
I was just about to say that! Haha! Of course the first fembot you’d make should look like River Tam. It might even be able to kill you with it’s brain! O.O
I can see it now….
MRA: Viva La Revolution!
Cuddly person: *cuddles MRA*
MRA: ….Well…maybe later then…
It is sadly telling about the times in which we live how some, perhaps many, men are already beginning–long before the available technology becomes available in prototype, much less affordable, to talk about sexual–and eventually emotional and spiritual –contact with robots, cyborgs, or androids (“gynoids?”) over what is available to us with modern women. It is a sad commentary of how HATEFUL most modern women are–argumentative, bitter, domineering, obtuse, over-educated, pushy, vulgar, and just plain loathsome–that some men (small numbers today, more and more as feminists continue to pollute relations between the sexes) are seeking such alternatives, even if the likelihood of success in our lifetime is questionable.
Another alternative, also far beyond today’s foreseeable technology, would, of course, be breeding strains of more agreeable, domestic, playful, and charming women. This may take even longer than the development of robotic technologies, and unfortunately poses unavoidable additional risk to the entire human genome, which makes it a project to be undertaken only in the direst emergency; if perhaps cyberwives turn out to be impractical or unaffordable for most men who need them!
If you think that I am exaggerating the disagreeable nature of modern women now, just look at most of the posts by them here. One is more rotten than the next! Nowhere is there the slightest awareness on the part of these she-hyenas (my apologies to hyenas) that the male’s pursuit of cybertoys–or further down the road, cyberwives–is a desperate RESPONSE to vicious female–or is it feminist–rejection, ridicule and cruelty.
Such attitudes on the part of today’s dreadful harpies, have a way of coming back in a most unpredictable and explosive manner! They may not manifest tomorrow, nor next year, nor even in a century, but eventually women (or what man-hating vermin they will have devolved into) will find that they all need men very badly, and the only possible response from our decendents will be tto throw them in the nearest sewer, where they belong!!
A word to the wise…
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Hey women on Manboobz:
Come the Revolution, can I stay with you? You know, in your all-female utopia? Because the alternative isn’t looking so attractive right now.
Sure, as long as you’re not allergic to cats.
Captain: As long as you don’t get testosterone all over the Mother Goddess Fymynyst Men Are Horrible shrine, I suppose we’ll let you in.
hellkell: That is Summer Glau. She was a Terminator-type robot in some tv series or another. (The Sarah Connor Chronicles?)
Kathleen: I was wondering if the pic was from that–it kind of does and doesn’t look like her.
I don’t think MRAs should be given puppies, either. Dogs require a lot more care than cats do, puppies especially. (You don’t have to housebreak a kitten!) If we did give every MRA a dog, we’d get a lot of internet screeds about how dogs oppress their owners, what with their needing to be fed, walked 2-3 times a day, given regular positive training and affection, and otherwise given portions of their owner’s time that might otherwise be going to dissing women online.
@KathleenB – I thought so! She was also on Dollhouse, though of course she wasn’t a doll.
hellkell: I think it might be CGI or something? I never really watched the show.
You know, it’s really a damn shame the only space Meller will ever know is the vast one between his ears.
@Holly Pervocracy
“But more often, women (and some men!) are “whining” because they’re putting a lot of energy in and not getting anything out”
Whoa, some men, tossing out a bone for teh menz. But of course more often than not it’s “women” giving, giving, giving while men take, take, take. Why is that always the case with you Pervocracy?
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@Rutee Katreya
” I can respect wanting no human interaction yourself, but to say that your dream is for society to crumble, and for every person to just be in an individual world with no interaction with anything but a simulacrum of a person is just… depressing, I guess.”
Don’t you find it more depressing that men are so starved for love they’ll glady accept artificial love from a robot?
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@ BlackBloc
“You only need human substitutes with AI if you need to fulfill a need for some intimacy, no matter how screwed up it is that you’re trying to fulfill that only by going for the physical aspect of intimacy and not the psychological one.”
If mens psychological needs aren’t being met in the real world, even artificial consideration is better than none.
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@blitzgal
“Yeah, the money thing is yet another example of their confirmation bias when it comes to all of this “battle of the sexes” bullshit. I know three women who are supporting husbands who flat out refuse to even look for work, let alone hold on to a job for more than a few months at a time.”
And so you berate men for calling women gold-diggers if they freeload, and you also berate men for being lazy freeloading slobs forcing women to support them. How do you stand all that misogyny? You’re like a saint, just like your picture!
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@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
“I understand if it is just a guy who is socially awkward. I do not understand if the guy hates all women and thinks we suck.”
Feminism is built on hatred from the ground up. The basis of feminism is women were, and still are oppressed. If women were always oppressed, the only ones left as oppressors are men. Men have always been, and still are misogynists and oppressors. The State, MSM, education, charities, corporations all work together to pour hatred onto men for our eternal sin of oppressing women. Eventuallly, when all men ever hear is hatred of men, that’s all they’ll give in return.
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@Amused
“It’s a major milestone in the process of growing up, realizing that the world doesn’t in fact, hate you. Half the world doesn’t hate you, either. It’s more like, the world doesn’t care.”
As I explained to Elizebeth, there is no place where hatred of men/boys isn’t actively taught while simultaneously preaching love of women/girls and all their wonderful qualities. Men are oppressors, and they “all” have male privilege.
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@ozymandias42
“Amused: I know it’s their own fault. I wouldn’t wish being in a relationship with a MGHOW on my worst enemy, either.”
Doesn’t your relationship consist of bragging online about pissing on, and slapping the shit out of each other? Probably not the best example of a womans “tender touch.”
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@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
“So tell him to go see a therapist.”
Since over 70% of therapists are women and 14 of 15 therapists are leftists, I doubt Anthony Zarat would consider a recomendation of “more feminism” as help.
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@blitzgal
“A domestic violence awareness campaign that features young boys is not proof that feminists have overtaken public education at large and are systematically dehumanizing boys.”
Then one where first grade girls are taught “they” are the perpetrators of 70% of non-recipricol DV is in order. We could give them shirts saying “awaiting instructions” from men and use it in a DV awareness campaigns, like they do to little boys.
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@Nobinayamu
“Nothing about men wanting to be held surprises me in the least. It does sadden me, though, that so many feel that they can’t express it.”
Men “do” express it. What should sadden you is they still aren’t held.
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@theLaplaceDemon
“Does that control for time spent with the child?” Why do you make an excuse when women kill children? Do you make any when a man abuses a woman?
@shesaidwut “Society isn’t teaching boys not to be abusive to women. Now it’s finally trying and you’re calling it man-hating?”
Society also doesn’t teach girls not to abuse men and children, why aren’t you screaming about that?
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@KathleenB
“For the last effing time, AntZ, all feminists don’t hate men!”
Yes they do. Misandry is a way of life thanks to feminism. It’s the law, lobbied for and enacted by feminists.
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@shaenon
“So, yeah, not a fan of that guy. But hey, at least he’s an equal-opportunity sexist: his other T-shirt slogans include “No Means No–Well Maybe If I’m Drunk” (which Feministing successfully campaigned to have discontinued) and “Gold Digger: Like a Hooker but Smarter.”
Did they lobby to have the misandry shirts discontinued? I did. Guess what? Nothing happened. Kinda show which gender has all the power. Misandry sells big time.
Oh, look, the crazy is back. And I see he’s brought his AntiReality Shield with him! The joy.
The Greys.
So, NWO, any progress on showing us a non-slut? (Or describe one, if you feel there is not One Worthy Woman in actual existence.)
You’ve established for us that any female on or near a beach is a slut, but other than avoiding beaches, is there anything else a woman can do to treat men with respect and not cruelly tease their libidos?
And to commemorate NWO’s return, I shall give you a link that will provide it’s own nonsense:
http://cleverbot.com/
A chatbot that makes less sense the more you talk to it (though I’m pretty sure that part is unintended). Hmmm, reminds me of someone, can’t imagine who…
Did they lobby to have the misandry shirts discontinued? I did. Guess what? Nothing happened. Kinda show which gender has all the power. Misandry sells big time.
Good for you! What did you do? Whom did you contact? What kind of response did you get? Did you organize other people to lobby with you?
Goldman eventually pulled the shirt after Feministing organized massive customer complaints; in its place on the website, he put a shirt with the logo “Miss Bitch.” I hope he didn’t try that kind of passive-aggressive insult with you.
Nope, NWO, you and other men who revile women aren’t being held. I’m on my way to hold my man right now. And he doesn’t even have to ask.
Sucks to be you.