Are MGTOWers all a bunch of closet romantics? In a recent discussion of some research which concluded that men value kissing and cuddling more than women in long-term relationships, a number of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com confessed that they … actually missed the affections of women.
BeijaFlor reported
I’ve gotten along for decades without sex OR cuddling. And I miss the cuddling, the snuggly affectionate feel of a loving partner, FAR more than I miss the sex. That’s one reason why I don’t call the call-girls; all they offer is the sex.
Golem added:
I’m going to have to agree with the touch thing, too. Hell, I can cut my own hair, but I’ll still drop the cash to have it done with a wash and a scalp massage just for the contact.
That’s actually just really … sad.
Even Nightstorm2516 — the legendary theorist of the Mousetrap Vagina – offered a poignant confession of his own:
I don’t know anyone elses reasoning for cuddling over sex but my own personal reason would be a huge deprivation in my life of affection. I get zero from women so thats a no-go for me. My male friends think hugging is gay via society programming so men show affection by “bumping fists” and “being cool”. My dad IS anti-affection. My mom showed me some affection, but she was so busy working to the bones, I don’t think I ever got enough. My sister and brother never showed me any love.
I think I value cuddling just because its something I never got to do. 26 Years without affection.. dam thats a long time.
That’s actually sort of heartbreaking – at least until I remember that this is the same guy who once argued that vaginas were like strange venom-injecting mousetraps:
This poison … creeps into the male brain and literally makes him stupid, it shuts down his intellect, and activates all his hormones for more pussy. She’s got the bastard. Now she can slowly but surely take all his wealth and keep pumping more poison into him.
It sucks – I mean really, genuinely sucks — that you got no affection from your parents, dude. But if you view women as monsters secretly plotting to entrap you with their vagina-poison, you’re not likely to get a lot of affection from them.
If you want to live a life that has more to it than bitterness and misery, get yourself off of MGTOWforums.com and find a good therapist.
And whatever you do, don’t listen to avoidwoman, MGTOWforums’ budding futurist, who thinks he’s got a woman-free solution to the affection deficit: perfectly realistic robogirls, which he predicts will be here in 2030. (Let’s just hope they’re a bit more reliable than the Cherry 2000 model.)
Yep, we’re back to the topic of sexy robot ladies.
In several comments in the thread, starting with this one, avoidwomen explained his waiting game:
I personally don’t even care for sex and I never want it. I would love romance, such as cuddling and kissing but not with human women, only women substitutes! …
I will get the chance to cuddle as much as I want by 2030 with robogirls and probably earlier when VR technology becomes advanced enough for the simulation to feel realistic. …
The few times I got the chance to be romantic with women, I really enjoyed it and never thought of going “further” or being “sexual” whatsoever. …
Then we got a reminder of just why he’s not getting affection from real, live human women:
Nowdays I just avoid women like the snakes they are! …
I am no white knight in real life, I will not protect a woman. But when VR and robogirls come, I will hold them in my arms. My robogirl will protect me outside the house and inside the house, I will cuddle and hold her. 🙂
Someday, his robotic princess will come.
Meller: You don’t know what you are talking about.
The Israelis, who had females in the front lines… routed.
Korea… not lost. Seesaw actions on the ground, but status quo ante, when the armistice was signed.
Vietnam. Military victory, political loss. The flip side of the War of 1812, in which the US lost the war, and won the peace.
Desert Storm… not much of a contest, though the Iraqis were the most combat tested Army in the world (well, they were about equal to the Iranians).
Afghanistan… stupid idea. No one’s really managed to have a military victory there since Tamerlane.
Iraq. Depends on what you mean by winning. It’s not as if there are force on force engagements going on, and the wholesale slaughter needed to, “win”, isn’t something the Army is willing to do, no matter how much the civilians at home might clamor for it.
Can you say, “women are people, the equal of men,”?
I didn’t think so.
PEACE AND FREEDOM!
Pecunium – insufficient double exclamation points!! 😉
Ginmar, I think they think you’re a dude. Because ladies don’t… don’t do Ginmar things. Or something.
Don’t ask me to explain these people, I got nothing. :p
Go , Pecunium go!!
You have the wrong “enemy” here!! Women the equal of men? FINE!!
Feminize the Armed Forces 100%, give men a break–for the first time in how many centuries?–then, throw them into battle against an army roughly at par industrially and technologically with the US–as China might be in another 10-20 years or so–and, as I said before, let the games begin!
Will the Chinese rout–or massacre–them before or after laughing themselves to death?
When will you forward my suggestion to President Obama and the appropriate committees in Congress? I’d do it myself, but certainly with your vast expertise and authority in military matters, your recommendation–especially when supported by a “strong women” like Miss Rienne (I would write Ms. but my computer jams up every time I try it) should be taken more seriously. It is, after all, really nothing more than an extension of a previous policy that has been carried out successfully in this so-called country since the ’70s.
(Fire)power to the People, or in this case, the females!
No kidding. Given the number of wars fought by armies that were exclusively male, having one fought(?) by one that was exclusively female–at least on the losing side–would have to be a much broader step in an feminist egalitarian direction than the measly 10-15% of women infesting the Armed forces today!
Or are YOU all talk and have nothing to really say about REAL gender equality for a change/
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
PS–I already said that military victory applies to victory in actual wars–not “police actions”, not “pacifications”, not “nation building”, not “couterinsurgency” or “war-on-terror” but actual, front-line engagements, combat-to-gain-victory over a declared ENEMY! Not even as an American, but as an ordinary person, the thought of Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq I and II, Afghanistan and now Libya as a “war” stretches the word out of all meaning!
Heavily armed infantry supported by large-scale area bombing, hundreds (if not thousands of tanks and APCs) motorized artillery and similary quantities of electronic and medical support attacking against largely unarmed civilians doesn’t count. It may be invasion, it may be a form of large scale lynching, it may be a crude and barbaric massacre, but it doesn’t count as war! DKM I Still want to see the result of a combat between the USA armed forces and those of an enemy of roughly equal industrial, technological and military strength.
Are you with me? General?–DKM
“I Still want to see the result of a combat between the USA armed forces and those of an enemy of roughly equal industrial, technological and military strength.”
Yeah, it’s usually weak and impotent conservative internet trolls playing the part of “intellectuals” that have the biggest hard-on concerning an armed conflict occurring. They can afford such a wish given that, by old draft standards, they would be a bold 4F.
Serious question time loser. Are you touching yourself thinking about global war?
Mr. Kobold–This entire business is Pecunium’s idea! I would just as soon have ALL of the world’s armies and navies disbanded by sunrise tomorrow morning. It is P (and his “army buddy” Gitmar Rienne, a female(!) soldier, who is up in his hackles over female equality, even in the armed services.
I am also as revolted as you are at the brutality of the so-called “wars” waged by the Criminal class headquartered in Washington DC against largely defenceless people–both men and women–as I made clear in many of my posts. here and elsewhere.
However, I am tired of hearing about gender equality in a glaringly absurd setting! If women are REALLY the “equals” of men, than I say carry it all the way! Turn the armed forces ENTIRELY over to females, and let THEM–as opposed to men, for a change– fight a WAR with an adversary militarily and technologically comparable to the USA. We’ll see what happens, and after the rout, or massacre of the “soldierettes and sailorettes, I won’t have to hear such drivel any longer!!, Idiocy which I have been hearing from “conservatives” almost as much as “liberals” by the way for over three decades!
Even If I am one of the millions killed by an enemy nuclear bomb, there will be a satisfaction in knowing that I was finally vindicated! Women infesting the armed forces in ANY CAPACITY is a STUPID idea!!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
The united states has never fought an even war. I know you’re stupid, but this should be basic history.
The Central and Axis powers were amazingly badly outnumbered. US Military contributions to WWI were helpful, but not necessary; the war was already being won, US aid merely sped the victory up. The USSR could have beaten the tar out of Germany solo, and more or less did not need the second front, and that’s considered our biggest hurrah. Sure, we ended up doing a lot, but it wasn’t /necessary/, so it’s not really a fight against anything remotely even.
Vietnam was asymmetrical warfare, as was Korea. Neither was won. There’s the Revolutionary war, which was fought from a position of weakness, but in extraordinarily favorable conditions, and the war of 1812, wherein we were trounced. The US Civil War was hardly even either; the south had much lower population, much less international prestige, and almost no industrial capacity to speak of.
It’s nice to know you hate women so much you’d kill yourself to feel right though.
CO-OPTION AND HUBRIS.
DKM, you do realize that if the US military went up against the Chinese military, that, uh, the Chinese military has women soldiers too?
Yeah, that would be a thing communists do. I seem to remember some serious ass kicking women being in the USSR’s army, but the details escape me.
Well then, look on the bright side. The US (or what is left of it) would be fielding the first armed forces in history that is TOTALLY FEMALE!! I have already conceded victory to the (partially female) Chinese PLA, but, if they want to follow our mistake, TWO modern armed forces, entirely populated by women “warriors” would be an interesting spectacle, while it lasted.
I don’t know if Chinese women are used in combat, however. Anything is possible, and given history of governments following each other’s mistakes, often for trivial reasons, It wouldn’t surprise me.
As I say, the whole idea is really somebody else’s–Pecunium’s. All that I did was take the ball and run with it. I still think that women in the Armed forces of ANY country–from Liechtenstein to the USA, from Andorra to the People’s Republic of China–is an incredibly STUPID idea!!
It is almost as stupid, and shameful, as war itself, isn’t it?
On the other hand, these Chinese “soldierettes” look quite pretty! Maybe they are only formally in the People’s Liberation Army, but are kept there for secretarial, domestic and babysitting services, as receptionists, nursing, dramatics and entertainment, and even (I never said this) more intimate purposes for command level personnel! Some may also be made available to outstanding real units i.e. males, for weekend R&R, although again, you didn’t read it here!
Now that would be INTELLIGENT use of female personnel in the armed forces, and you wouldn’t NEED women to be IN the army to do this, would you? The Armed forces, in this case the PLA, could just as easily hire civilian female employees, but as civilians, they couldn;t wear those attractive looking uniforms–especially the red and white ones–could they?
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Rutee, you spend your time AGREEING with me, and then calling ME stupid? What does that make you?
All of my posts discussing this have been how uneven and destructive USA “wars” have been! If I am stupid and ignorant for understanding this, what does this say about you?
Aim your (rhetorical) artillery properly. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face–in your case, perhaps a marked improvement–but it doesn’t make you sound any better!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
DKM thinks women should be forced to fuck men. Well that’s not really news. Tell me, DKM, is the PEACE AND FREEDOM thing intentionally ironic?
PS: If the soviet army is a fair basis, women are in full combat roles, and fully capable of killing you.
“…and even (I never said this) more intimate purposes for command level personnel! Some may also be made available to outstanding real units i.e. males, for weekend R&R, although again, you didn’t read it here!”
Wow. Even when fantasizing, you can’t imagine a woman having sex for any reason other than direct, financial, obligation, can you?
On the other hand, these Chinese “soldierettes” look quite pretty! Maybe they are only formally in the People’s Liberation Army, but are kept there for secretarial, domestic and babysitting services, as receptionists, nursing, dramatics and entertainment, and even (I never said this) more intimate purposes for command level personnel! Some may also be made available to outstanding real units i.e. males, for weekend R&R, although again, you didn’t read it here!
Wow, you really are a miserable excuse for a human being, aren’t you?
Having said that, is it wrong that I found the Chinese women soldiers to be really hot? I mean, I’m sure their hotness has no impact on their soldiering abilities, and, of course, the Chinese government may have pre-selected the cuter ones to be in the parade. Still…wow.
Calm down everybody!!
You wouldn’t–and couldn’r–have ANY of these issues or problems if the armed forces were altogether female free, could you? I am on your side, here. I also don’t think–lesbianism aside—that you could have these problems if they were exclusively 100% female, preposterous as the idea is on other grounds!
The proximity and forced contact between men and women (often in their late teens to mid twenties and pre-selected to be UNUSUALLY strong, healthy, and aggressive) is what makes the embarassing, if not altogether destructive consequences of sex availability–or even stimulation–inevitable. Someone once said, One does not put dry straw in contact with sparks, and be surprised at the resulting fire”! One more point for my side!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Uh… gay men exist.
Or, you could have women in the army, and *NOT* treat them as chattel. Wild concept to *YOU*, perhaps, but perfectly valid to those of us with brains.
As to your idiotic point… you do realize that more sexually permissive societies, such as Sweden, have *FEWER* problems with sexual assault than the US, right?
“The proximity and forced contact between men and women (often in their late teens to mid twenties and pre-selected to be UNUSUALLY strong, healthy, and aggressive) is what makes the embarassing, if not altogether destructive consequences of sex availability–or even stimulation–inevitable.”
Interesting back-pedaling from:
“…and even (I never said this) more intimate purposes for command level personnel! Some may also be made available to outstanding real units i.e. males, for weekend R&R, although again, you didn’t read it here!
Now that would be INTELLIGENT use of female personnel in the armed forces…”
Young, people attracted to each other and possibly/probably engaging consensual sex vs. female soldiers “made available” for higher ups and “real units i.e. males”. What’s both hilarious and disgusting is that you know there’s a difference, are ashamed of leading with your real thoughts and fantasies, and have engaged in this pathetic soft-shoe.
Like I’ve said before, who but a woman obligated by profession and financial considerations would have anything to do with the likes of you? Sweet, traditional women deserve so much better.
“Having said that, is it wrong that I found the Chinese women soldiers to be really hot?”
No, Captain, they’re adorable. They may well have been picked, for this video, for their looks. But fashion magazines here in the States have done stories and photo shoots on female soldiers; there isn’t any real difference. It would be “wrong” if you suggested that their attractiveness meant they were possibly used or best suited as institutional whores for their fellow soldiers/
But what kind of repulsive toad would suggest something like that?
Yeah, that would be a thing communists do. I seem to remember some serious ass kicking women being in the USSR’s army, but the details escape me.
These women could kick DKM’s ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II
Don’t forget anti-Nazi partisans in occupied countries, many of whom were women:
http://www.ossinitaly.org/Women/womenintheresistance.html
http://www.partizane.com/node/1937
and Jewish resistance fighters:
http://www.jewishpartisans.org/t_switch.php?pageName=educator+women
Jewish women with guns: DKM’s worst nightmare?
And I found this blog:
http://womenheroesofwwii.blogspot.com/2011/06/hortense-daman-partisan-courier.html
There’s nothing wrong with sex work. There is something very wrong with coercing people into sex work or declaring that one of the few INTELLIGENT uses of a particular gender is sex work. I am quite puzzled that DKM cannot understand this distinction.
Regarding Nobinayamu…
Careful, she bites! I don’t know if she has had her shots!
Have you ever seen such a rabid, hate-filled feminist attack on another poster. David Futrelle, you should keep her on a tighter leash, she is venomous!
I don’t know if she was born that way, if she became this way because of some childhood or adolescent trauma–probably involving a man–or she, like most of the feminists on manboobz.com, is simply over-educated and brainwashed to hate men–or any sign of masculinity, assertion, or self-possession in men, but this girl has ISSUES!!
Get her into therapy, get her to a vet (to be defanged) or get her tamed, because right now she is VICIOUS.
Contrary to your repeated assertions, Nobinayamu , I would be a lovely mate to a sweet old fashioned girl. I owuld love her, and treat her as well as I could! It is only feminists LIKE YOU who provoke the worst in me, and probably in other men as well! Thanx for spoiling it for EVERYBODY!!
All of your venom has a way of turning back when you least expect it, and when there is the least you can do about it! As I once said on another post, elsewhere, when other women were as vicious as you–and your sister feminists here–Karma is a bitch, and he who laughs last, laughs best!
“Tell me, DKM, is the PEACE AND FREEDOM thing intentionally ironic?”
it’s very Orwellian. And it’s true that for DKM Ignorance really is Strength.
The proximity and forced contact between men and women (often in their late teens to mid twenties and pre-selected to be UNUSUALLY strong, healthy, and aggressive) is what makes the embarassing, if not altogether destructive consequences of sex availability–or even stimulation–inevitable.
Sounds like college. Of course, we once had a troll suggest that colleges should be segregated too, in order to protect women from sexual assault. He, too, was a fan of Stormfront and the like.
Tell me, DKM, is the Israeli army one that you would consider wimpy and ineffectual? Because I believe they allow–indeed, require–women in combat.