Are MGTOWers all a bunch of closet romantics? In a recent discussion of some research which concluded that men value kissing and cuddling more than women in long-term relationships, a number of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com confessed that they … actually missed the affections of women.
BeijaFlor reported
I’ve gotten along for decades without sex OR cuddling. And I miss the cuddling, the snuggly affectionate feel of a loving partner, FAR more than I miss the sex. That’s one reason why I don’t call the call-girls; all they offer is the sex.
Golem added:
I’m going to have to agree with the touch thing, too. Hell, I can cut my own hair, but I’ll still drop the cash to have it done with a wash and a scalp massage just for the contact.
That’s actually just really … sad.
Even Nightstorm2516 — the legendary theorist of the Mousetrap Vagina – offered a poignant confession of his own:
I don’t know anyone elses reasoning for cuddling over sex but my own personal reason would be a huge deprivation in my life of affection. I get zero from women so thats a no-go for me. My male friends think hugging is gay via society programming so men show affection by “bumping fists” and “being cool”. My dad IS anti-affection. My mom showed me some affection, but she was so busy working to the bones, I don’t think I ever got enough. My sister and brother never showed me any love.
I think I value cuddling just because its something I never got to do. 26 Years without affection.. dam thats a long time.
That’s actually sort of heartbreaking – at least until I remember that this is the same guy who once argued that vaginas were like strange venom-injecting mousetraps:
This poison … creeps into the male brain and literally makes him stupid, it shuts down his intellect, and activates all his hormones for more pussy. She’s got the bastard. Now she can slowly but surely take all his wealth and keep pumping more poison into him.
It sucks – I mean really, genuinely sucks — that you got no affection from your parents, dude. But if you view women as monsters secretly plotting to entrap you with their vagina-poison, you’re not likely to get a lot of affection from them.
If you want to live a life that has more to it than bitterness and misery, get yourself off of MGTOWforums.com and find a good therapist.
And whatever you do, don’t listen to avoidwoman, MGTOWforums’ budding futurist, who thinks he’s got a woman-free solution to the affection deficit: perfectly realistic robogirls, which he predicts will be here in 2030. (Let’s just hope they’re a bit more reliable than the Cherry 2000 model.)
Yep, we’re back to the topic of sexy robot ladies.
In several comments in the thread, starting with this one, avoidwomen explained his waiting game:
I personally don’t even care for sex and I never want it. I would love romance, such as cuddling and kissing but not with human women, only women substitutes! …
I will get the chance to cuddle as much as I want by 2030 with robogirls and probably earlier when VR technology becomes advanced enough for the simulation to feel realistic. …
The few times I got the chance to be romantic with women, I really enjoyed it and never thought of going “further” or being “sexual” whatsoever. …
Then we got a reminder of just why he’s not getting affection from real, live human women:
Nowdays I just avoid women like the snakes they are! …
I am no white knight in real life, I will not protect a woman. But when VR and robogirls come, I will hold them in my arms. My robogirl will protect me outside the house and inside the house, I will cuddle and hold her. 🙂
Someday, his robotic princess will come.
I do freak him out. He tried to use my service as leverage to get me to agree with him; since “If you served you know that…”
Hah.
You servicepersons feminoids are just too damn much!
I think you should turn the “Armed Forces” and perhaps the law enforcement as well–of this so-called “government” over to women 100%! The US has already lost every war it has been in since 1945 (and there are world renowned historians who have wondered about whether we or Stalin REALLY won WWII) and now I thank you, Pecunium–and now Ginmar Rienne–for showing me why!
The usurpers and frauds in DC (District of Criminals) lost every war since 1945 even when our so-called enemies were a bunch of almost unarmed peasants with nothing–no modern weaponry, no air force, no navy to speak of, no up-to-date- medicine, no network of electronic communications and encryption technology, nothing but a love of country to sustain them against what was widely see as the mightiest military power on this planet! Of course giving US soldiers carte-blanche to torture, kidnap, or mruder so-called “terrorists” or “hostiles” and their disarmed and defenceless familes without any proof or due process doesn’t speak well of American military prowess either. Oh, well, there is “collateral damage” in every war, isn’t there, and if the civilians were stupid enough to be there, it really isn’t “our” fault if they get shredded by shrapnel, incincerated by napalm, or poisoned by agent orange or Depleted Uranium, is it?
G.R. You are mistaken! I want an armed forces–Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and even CIA, FBI, and Secret Service STUFFED WITH females like you 99%. Maybe the idiots in the State Department, The Presidential palace, and the Pentagon will then involve us in a war fighting an enemy army and navy with REAL MEN, equipped for the first time in recent Amerikan experience with more than WWII discards, and armed with communication, medical equipment, and ordnance more-or-less comparable to the best available to the contemporary USSA’s–United Socialist Statist Amerika!
The People’s Republic of China comes to mind, especially if they should develop–and deploy a reliable ICBM interceptor capability “Starwars”–that We never had the will or wisdom to do when we had the chance!
Russia–in another decade or so, especially with China’s help–may be another possibility to “take a bite out of crime” against an al-female US Armed “services”, although Russia’s declining population worries me.
Wow, an Army(?) of females, trained and equipped with up-to-date communication, medical, and weaponry, fighting an enemy army composed of “real men” posessed of more-or-less equal technology, skill, and resources!
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!
PEACE AND JUSTICE!!
David K. Meller
Mr. Meller, while ordinary men desire control, yogis control desire.
@Sharculese
“dkm can you just get it over with and admit that women who are smarter than you make you uncomfortable. its getting boring dancing around it.”
Since everyone here has personal experience of women being smarter, harder working, more inventive/creative, more compassionate/loving, basically, more and better at everything. DKM is a mere imperfect man, not likely he can compare/compete with woman.
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KathleenB
“The sad part is, I know a lot of men who DKM would call ‘manginas’ who are really, really kickass fighters – guys who regularly wear armor and bash each other on the head with big sticks. And yet they’re somehow not manly enough because they treat women like we’re human beings. What a sad and limiting worldview.”
Do you like it when men beat each other for a womans “honor?” Now all the sudden men fighting for your entertainment is ducky. Deffering to women and treating them as human beings aren’t the same, even if you consider it so.
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@kristinmh
” However, if you took out “alluring” and “skilled in feminine activities”, you would have an excellent description of my dog Madeline. She is soft, appealing, cute, affectionate, adorable, clever (srsly, this dog knows how to lie), playful, empathic (if you take that to mean “very attuned to human moods”, not “mildly psychic”), sensitive, warm, friendly to a fault, and compliant in the sense that she has learned that giving the right responses to commands results in food and affection.”
Pretty sad isn’t it? Modern women refuse to offer “allure” and “feminine skills” in the world of interchangeable, we’re all the same equality. Hence the modern saying, “dog is mans best friend.”
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@Ginmar Rienne
“He’d shit bricks if he met me. I did twenty years in the military, including combat, and before I joined the Army, I was a ballet dancer. Pro, too.”
Are you trying to one up Pecunium as the manboobz #1 white knight?
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@Jenn93
“If women were biologically programmed to be the ideal women that MRA’s want us to be, wouldn’t we be naturally unable to be so different from it? The cyborg vision of womanhood that mysoginists dream of have nothing to do with how things are supposed to be, and is evident of being a control freak.”
As opposed to the feminist dream which has largely come true where women wield State violence to force compliance of men, while proclaiming innocense of any violence.
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@ozymandias42
“Also, a ton of men look dead sexy in dresses. Don’t get your bigotry on my libido.”
Still living by the suffragette motto of “legislating morality with your votes!” Feminism, helping men into dresses to free them from gender stereotypes. I’m so grateful you care about teh menz with all those cutting edge issues you champion.
Still think Spanish and Russian have the same alphabet, NWO?
I really made the effort to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but your massive ignorance and outright stupidity are getting on my nerves. It’s PEOPLE fighting, mostly for their own amusement, but yes also for the entertainment of others. The unbelted (the best not-knighted fighters in the Kingdom, a very elite unit) squad at this past ValDay looked to be somewhere around half women – many of them around five feet tall and teeny, for some odd reason, and they kicked some serious ass with their male counterparts. Not even the horribly slippery new floor daunted them – and if you don’t see the comedic value of several people in full plate-style armor, some of whom are big burly men, suddenly being knocked down like tenpins because someone charging on the other side slid out, then your sense of humor has been surgically removed..
And many fighters carry a favor – from a significant other, a kid, etc. When I fenced, I carried my godson’s favor. It just means that the person whose favor you carry is the one who inspires you to fight – very little to do with honor. And believe me, most women in the Society can defend their own fucking honor. Assuming such should need to be defended in the first place.
OHNOEZ, the dreaded two period ellipse! Oh, the agony! Oh, the shame!
They’re getting to you, KathleenB! 🙂
Magpie: I’ll never show my face in public again!
What’s up with the whole ‘white knight’ thing? I keep seeing it mentioned, but the glossary doesn’t tell me what it means in this context.
And before NWO asks, I know very few knights who wear white armor – gets stained too easily.
So far as I can tell, it’s what they call a man who sticks up for a woman (and gets laid). The only possible reason for sticking up for someone being what you can get out of it, of course. I’m guessing this partly from context, and partly cause they live in opposite land.
Right. Because us feminists are just going around putting out for the guys who stand up for us. Well, it fits the MRA idea that all of us are sluts who spread our legs for anyone, I suppose.
Any one except the MRA’s, because when they (think they have) stood up for a woman, she didn’t root them.
MRA reckon the only reason your husband helped that woman the other night, was to get into either your pants or hers. They have no theory as to why you yourself would help, though, so they just ignore it.
White-knights try to help women to get laid, but they don’t get laid, because women only want to fuck alpha FUCK thugboy bad boys. It’s a whole thing.
NWO, once again, does not understand the difference between “men should have Option X,” “Ozy gets wet for men who Option X,” and “all men must Option X.”
Wow. Just wow. I could almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
“Also, a ton of men look dead sexy in dresses. Don’t get your bigotry on my libido.”
Nobody cares what your vagina thinks.
Nobody cares what your vagina thinks.
I get the feeling that too many MRAs take this attitude in general. No wonder they often have trouble getting involved with those vaginas.
Au contraire, about fifty people care what my vagina thinks.
Meller: Do you really think I care what you think about the Army?
I do know this. Ginmar can almost certainly take you. I mean really dude, it’s no contest. You don’t have the… center, no… it more the will. Push comes to shove, you are going to look at he and see a woman.
She (and I) are going to look at you and see an opponent, an obstacle. Something to overcome and defeat.
It’s why she makes a better soldier than you do. You react, she thinks.
bagelsan: I have red hair.
Pecunium: you are forgiven.
(I actually think red hair is lovely, but unless it’s really really red I easily confuse it with brown. Sigh. Observation fail.)
Eusthenopteron,
No one cares what your penis thinks. The same goes for other useless, unloved MRA penises.
*PEES IN YOUR FACE!!*
Trollin’ MRAs
I know the answer to this one: What are feminine activities? Activities done by a feminine person! Hah.
NWO—whiteknighting? What the hell? I mean, Pecunium’s kind of an Army buddy, but that means he’s kind of like a brother. I know that’s beyond the comprehension of an MRA, but it is possible for men and women to be friends, and the only benefit is the friendship itself. (I’m now imagining NWO’s shitfit over that, because OMG what else are women for?)
That dude that was ranting about losing all wars, needing women in the ranks—-hey, better me than you, dude. A guy who has problems with women is going to have problems with other groups of people, too. Count on it. I don’t want that kind of asshole around vulnerable people.
Pecunium (and GR)
I am NOT your enemy, and probably not much of an opponent for either of
you. However, I—and men like me, are not the fighters you–and men like you–
will be fighting in any future war!
I stand by my opinion stated in the previous post,that if the US armed forces (feminized or not) faced an adversary even approximately equal to itself in armaments, technology, medical and communications equipment, it would be defeated in short order, and the defeat would be indistinguishable from a rout–or massacre!
As I said before, you have no problems in killing, torturing, or otherwise brutalizing unarmed–or woefully underarmed–civilians! Can you spell My Lai, Haditha, Fellujah, and no doubt dozens of other sites of military atrocities your commnaders covered up?
Beleive me, the enemy(ies) you or your comrades will find yourselves fighting will be able to take GR–probably blindfolded!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller