Are MGTOWers all a bunch of closet romantics? In a recent discussion of some research which concluded that men value kissing and cuddling more than women in long-term relationships, a number of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com confessed that they … actually missed the affections of women.
BeijaFlor reported
I’ve gotten along for decades without sex OR cuddling. And I miss the cuddling, the snuggly affectionate feel of a loving partner, FAR more than I miss the sex. That’s one reason why I don’t call the call-girls; all they offer is the sex.
Golem added:
I’m going to have to agree with the touch thing, too. Hell, I can cut my own hair, but I’ll still drop the cash to have it done with a wash and a scalp massage just for the contact.
That’s actually just really … sad.
Even Nightstorm2516 — the legendary theorist of the Mousetrap Vagina – offered a poignant confession of his own:
I don’t know anyone elses reasoning for cuddling over sex but my own personal reason would be a huge deprivation in my life of affection. I get zero from women so thats a no-go for me. My male friends think hugging is gay via society programming so men show affection by “bumping fists” and “being cool”. My dad IS anti-affection. My mom showed me some affection, but she was so busy working to the bones, I don’t think I ever got enough. My sister and brother never showed me any love.
I think I value cuddling just because its something I never got to do. 26 Years without affection.. dam thats a long time.
That’s actually sort of heartbreaking – at least until I remember that this is the same guy who once argued that vaginas were like strange venom-injecting mousetraps:
This poison … creeps into the male brain and literally makes him stupid, it shuts down his intellect, and activates all his hormones for more pussy. She’s got the bastard. Now she can slowly but surely take all his wealth and keep pumping more poison into him.
It sucks – I mean really, genuinely sucks — that you got no affection from your parents, dude. But if you view women as monsters secretly plotting to entrap you with their vagina-poison, you’re not likely to get a lot of affection from them.
If you want to live a life that has more to it than bitterness and misery, get yourself off of MGTOWforums.com and find a good therapist.
And whatever you do, don’t listen to avoidwoman, MGTOWforums’ budding futurist, who thinks he’s got a woman-free solution to the affection deficit: perfectly realistic robogirls, which he predicts will be here in 2030. (Let’s just hope they’re a bit more reliable than the Cherry 2000 model.)
Yep, we’re back to the topic of sexy robot ladies.
In several comments in the thread, starting with this one, avoidwomen explained his waiting game:
I personally don’t even care for sex and I never want it. I would love romance, such as cuddling and kissing but not with human women, only women substitutes! …
I will get the chance to cuddle as much as I want by 2030 with robogirls and probably earlier when VR technology becomes advanced enough for the simulation to feel realistic. …
The few times I got the chance to be romantic with women, I really enjoyed it and never thought of going “further” or being “sexual” whatsoever. …
Then we got a reminder of just why he’s not getting affection from real, live human women:
Nowdays I just avoid women like the snakes they are! …
I am no white knight in real life, I will not protect a woman. But when VR and robogirls come, I will hold them in my arms. My robogirl will protect me outside the house and inside the house, I will cuddle and hold her. 🙂
Someday, his robotic princess will come.
Julie Newmar.
“soft, empathic, sensitive, beautiful, vulnerable, joyful, and tranquil …”
To be sure these are good qualities that all humans should cultivate and probably all of us possess to one degree or another, however limited. But they are by no means the complete range of good human qualities that we possess and have the potential to develop.
What can I say? I tried to keep this from getting personal, but nevertheless, it is long past time for useful comparisons between feminists and real women!
real women–biological or cyborg: all of the below…
soft, appealing, cute, affectionate, adorable, clever, playful, empathic, sensitive, vulnerable, warm, alluring, friendly, compliant, skillful in feminine activities…
feminist hafefuls–e.g. “hellskell, Nobinayamu, amadajane5, KathleenB, Bee, Molly Ren, et al…NOT!!!
Now tell me about how femiskunks are “partnered”! (abject apologies to skunks, of course!). I don’t mean your goofy girlfriends who sit around with you endlessly complaining about us men, either! Any MEN who would have you, trust me, aren’t worth having!!
David K. Meller
The sad part is, I know a lot of men who DKM would call ‘manginas’ who are really, really kickass fighters – guys who regularly wear armor and bash each other on the head with big sticks. And yet they’re somehow not manly enough because they treat women like we’re human beings. What a sad and limiting worldview.
Grace Kelly.
“goofy girlfriends”
You mean the ones I have orgies with? Or the ones with the strap-ons? I always get the two confused…
dkm can you just get it over with and admit that women who are smarter than you make you uncomfortable. its getting boring dancing around it.
I’m actually most of these things… Even compliant, when asked properly and with someone worth compliance. I even crochet, embroider and bake!
Sir, you mistake my online persona for my real life. I’m a bitch on wheels to you (and other MRA assholes) because you deserve a good thrashing for being a fuckwit. I’m actually quite nice to people who don’t treat me like a thing.
“soft, appealing, cute, affectionate, adorable, clever, playful, empathic, sensitive, vulnerable, warm, alluring, friendly, compliant, skillful in feminine activities…”
I’m squishy and give good blowjobs?
“soft, appealing, cute, affectionate, adorable, clever, playful, empathic, sensitive, vulnerable, warm, alluring, friendly, compliant, skillful in feminine activities”
Again, good qualities for ALL humans but by no means exhaustive.
Spearhafoc: Mmmmm… Grace Kelly. She really was an amazing lady.
DKM, I’ll be sure to tell my husband that he’s not worth having.
So are you partnered up with a Real Doll, fleshlight, or just your right hand?
I can also be brave, loyal, a leader, a fighter, and keep things organized when everyone around me is losing their shit.
Spearhafoc,
You proved your point!
Women who are extraordinarily glamorous and appealing looking CAN get away with wearing slacks! They are all GORGEOUS! It says nothing, however, about the feasibility of wearing of pants for 95% or more of women in real life, who would unavoidably look sort of “masculine” and defeminized” by pants wearing. There is nothing about my criticisms which applys to the likes of Rita Heyworth, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Kelly, Greta Garbo, and the like. It applies only to the 95% of women who look as absurd, even as feminist, in slacks as men would in wearing frilly dresses!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
I think mental agility (general intelligence) coupled with highly developed critical thinking skills and EQ (emotional intelligence quotient) are the most important qualities that humans need to cultivate in today’s world.
“Any MEN who would have you, trust me, aren’t worth having!!”
Says that man who can’t get any woman at all. There are plenty of sweet, traditional, women out there, DKM. Why are you holding out for a robot? And why are you so worried about feminist women when the world is full of women who would like to be homemakers?
Of course, even women who are interested in being homemakers and working as stay-at-home wives and mothers aren’t going to be interested in a repugnant wind bag like you.
“soft, appealing, cute, affectionate, adorable, clever, playful, empathic, sensitive, vulnerable, warm, alluring, friendly, compliant, skillful in feminine activities…”
You keep mentioning empathy while you fantasize about having a programmable machine with which to form a romantic and sexual relationship. I don’t think you’re clear on what empathy is.
As to the rest of it: whatever. I’m not the person praying for a robot because nobody wants me.
I just don’t see it. I actually care quite a bit about fashion, and I maintain that trousers can look fantastic on women. I have never seen a women who couldn’t pull off trousers in some form.
It can be downright glamourous like Grace kelly up there, or cute and quirky like Diane Keaton here.
By eliminating trousers from women’s wardrobes, you’re doing a grave disservice to aesthetics in general. So kindly piss off.
“It is you greedy, narcissistic, frigid “emotionless bitches” that we would be inventing–and improving cuddlebots to ESCAPE!!”
You’re right Mr. Keller. You have me all figured out. I am greedy all the time except when I don’t ask for money. I’m narcissistic too. This one time, I wore makeup at a formal! I know right! Oh and I’m tooootally frigid, except when I’m with my boyfriend. But with any other guy I’m like “Sex? As if!” Don’t get me started with the emotionless thing. I am in fact dead inside.
In the ancient world, EVERYONE, both men and women, wore dresses, robes, single cloth pieces around their genitals, etc.
There were no pants. When “pantaloons” started to be made and worn in Asia, they were worn by both sexes. Those are what today we call “harem pants”.
Let’s play a fun game! Which Of These Traits Does The Female-Bodied Feminist Have?
I am:
soft, appealing, cute, affectionate, adorable, clever, playful, empathic, sensitive, vulnerable, warm, alluring, friendly, compliant
I am somewhat:
skillful in feminine activities (I can cook, but I’m not so good at cleaning and I can’t sew for the life of me)
I am not:
A self-hating misogynist.
Also, a ton of men look dead sexy in dresses. Don’t get your bigotry on my libido.
Whenever I read DKM’s writing, I am reminded of that quote by the inimitable Buzz Lightyear:
“You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity. Farewell!”
“skillful in feminine activities (I can cook, but I’m not so good at cleaning and I can’t sew for the life of me)”
These are basic human survival skills. Nothing feminine about any of them.
Societal Contract: My level of skill in basic human survival skills traditionally gendered feminine is higher than my level of skill in basic human survival skills traditionally gendered masculine. 🙂 That better?
Cooking, cleaning and sewing is neither feminine nor masculine.