Are MGTOWers all a bunch of closet romantics? In a recent discussion of some research which concluded that men value kissing and cuddling more than women in long-term relationships, a number of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com confessed that they … actually missed the affections of women.
BeijaFlor reported
I’ve gotten along for decades without sex OR cuddling. And I miss the cuddling, the snuggly affectionate feel of a loving partner, FAR more than I miss the sex. That’s one reason why I don’t call the call-girls; all they offer is the sex.
Golem added:
I’m going to have to agree with the touch thing, too. Hell, I can cut my own hair, but I’ll still drop the cash to have it done with a wash and a scalp massage just for the contact.
That’s actually just really … sad.
Even Nightstorm2516 — the legendary theorist of the Mousetrap Vagina – offered a poignant confession of his own:
I don’t know anyone elses reasoning for cuddling over sex but my own personal reason would be a huge deprivation in my life of affection. I get zero from women so thats a no-go for me. My male friends think hugging is gay via society programming so men show affection by “bumping fists” and “being cool”. My dad IS anti-affection. My mom showed me some affection, but she was so busy working to the bones, I don’t think I ever got enough. My sister and brother never showed me any love.
I think I value cuddling just because its something I never got to do. 26 Years without affection.. dam thats a long time.
That’s actually sort of heartbreaking – at least until I remember that this is the same guy who once argued that vaginas were like strange venom-injecting mousetraps:
This poison … creeps into the male brain and literally makes him stupid, it shuts down his intellect, and activates all his hormones for more pussy. She’s got the bastard. Now she can slowly but surely take all his wealth and keep pumping more poison into him.
It sucks – I mean really, genuinely sucks — that you got no affection from your parents, dude. But if you view women as monsters secretly plotting to entrap you with their vagina-poison, you’re not likely to get a lot of affection from them.
If you want to live a life that has more to it than bitterness and misery, get yourself off of MGTOWforums.com and find a good therapist.
And whatever you do, don’t listen to avoidwoman, MGTOWforums’ budding futurist, who thinks he’s got a woman-free solution to the affection deficit: perfectly realistic robogirls, which he predicts will be here in 2030. (Let’s just hope they’re a bit more reliable than the Cherry 2000 model.)
Yep, we’re back to the topic of sexy robot ladies.
In several comments in the thread, starting with this one, avoidwomen explained his waiting game:
I personally don’t even care for sex and I never want it. I would love romance, such as cuddling and kissing but not with human women, only women substitutes! …
I will get the chance to cuddle as much as I want by 2030 with robogirls and probably earlier when VR technology becomes advanced enough for the simulation to feel realistic. …
The few times I got the chance to be romantic with women, I really enjoyed it and never thought of going “further” or being “sexual” whatsoever. …
Then we got a reminder of just why he’s not getting affection from real, live human women:
Nowdays I just avoid women like the snakes they are! …
I am no white knight in real life, I will not protect a woman. But when VR and robogirls come, I will hold them in my arms. My robogirl will protect me outside the house and inside the house, I will cuddle and hold her. 🙂
Someday, his robotic princess will come.
Mangina.
I don’t photograph well, but at least I had my eyes open in that one.
Have you never heard a woman say “X guy is SO HOT but SO CREEPY”? I assure, it happens a lot. Esp. to David Tennant. I think that’s sufficient evidence that creepy doesn’t mean unattractive.
I think Jason Momoa is the hottest guy on the planet but I still recognise he’s creepy as fuck when he says he likes acting in fantasy and sci-fi because you can ‘get away with’ ripping out people’s tongues and raping beautiful women.
Considering how patient Dave can be with our resident trolls, I imagine that he would be rather good with kids (assuming that he wants to). He’s certainly had a lot of experience dealing with childish behavior.
Of course, dealing with it online and dealing with it in the flesh are two entirely different kettles of buttons.
Mr. Futrelle just looks like a guy. He looks like the guys I see every day here at work (I work at a court) who got a ticket or have to sue their neighbor and they just come in, do their business and leave. Rarely are they problems (and when you have over eighty thousand cases open in one building, you need the people who pose no problems.)
Now TAB looks like the kind of guy who swaggers in here like he owns the place and that everyone should just bow down to him because he has conventional good looks. They tend to be rude to the staff, ignore what the judge has to tell them, try to flirt with the female judges (who generally hate that because they find it annoying and disrespectful) and the last one to swagger through here spent over a month in jail and will now be going to prison for two years.
So TAB, you may think that Mr. Futrelle looks like a creepy weirdo but I would rather have him at the counter here at work then you.
Things Are Bad, as the winner of the MRA beauty contest, I have few questions for you.
What’s it like backstage? I’ve always wanted to know. Are pageants as cut-throat and back-stabby as I’ve heard? And what did you do for the talent portion of the competition? Give a demonstration of how you apply hair product, while presenting a monologue all about the joys of being engaged to a woman you don’t find that attractive?
I’m intrigued.
Other than attempting to turn threads into “hot or not” and referencing Jersey Shore, the VMAs, and “cougars” -all the while assuring us of your limitless depths- how do you express the “activism” part of your self-identified MRA awesomeness?
Fucking feminists, how do they look??
Mmmm…vintage Gloria Steinham.
I’m sorry, what?
Spear, you are SO CUTE! 🙂 *gives Spear hug*
I am fairly attractive, but my attractiveness has absolutely nothing to do with the correctness of my political opinions.
I just wanted my fans to know that you’ve inspired me to create a video about the unfair stereotypes that feminists face. They’re not all a bunch of ugly women and lesbians, and it’s time to finally set the record straight.
I once had a boyfriend who was very anti-feminist. I found myself constantly saying to him, “As a feminist, I don’t hate men, I hate sexism. Sexism consists of ideas which need to be challenged. I love quite a few men. I have family members that are men.” And no matter how many times I said it, he’d continue to accuse me of being a misandrist. He made up his mind about me, and nothing I could do or say changed that. I eventually gave up.
Or is this TAB’s way of throwing a tantrum, because he thought that we would instantly turn on David and tear him apart for not being particularly attractive?
I have to admit, I’m kind of curious about what reaction he was hoping for. Like we were all going to go, “Holy shit! David looks like a NERD! With GLASSES! We must stop agreeing with his opinions and laughing at his jokes!”
I am fairly attractive, but my attractiveness has absolutely nothing to do with the correctness of my political opinions.
I am gorgeous and it makes me right about everything.
Shaenon: I’ll grant the first.
TAB you are very creepy, not because of what you look like, but because of what you posted about raping young teenage girls.
David has never posted a screed about raping young teenagers and how that is the One True Way men feel. That alone makes him less creepy than you.
As I said in the other thread, pictures tell me nothing about the character of a person. The words you are willing to put your name and picture next to do tell me something.
You too? 😀 God, I hope we agree on everything, else there’s gonna be a hell of a paradox set up here…
I know, right? That pic from mediumdave was charming too; apparently every dude on here is an adorkable brunette with glasses. And I fully support that.
What do looks have to do with creepiness? Creepy is a behavior set, not a physical characteristic.
I’ve dated plenty of guys that were less than stellar looking. (That’s what telling girls not to be shallow gets, my impressionable younger self dating guys she wasn’t physically or intellectually attracted to, just to avoid being “stuck up.” I’ve grown some self-worth since then.) And none of them were creepy, except the one who kept threatening to kill himself if I ever left him. He had some issues. Being manipulative was what made him creepy, not that he was kind of chubby or wore glasses.
Telling yourself you get classified as creepy because of your looks (and therefore other people are shallow) is a great way to avoid having to actually look at your behavior or make difficult changes to your personality. Ego cushioning won’t actually get you anywhere, of course, but at least you’re ony harming yourself.
Oh, I don’t actually wear glasses. Those are sunglasses in my pocket.
Still, you look very handsome Spear and your sense of style suits you.
Uh, yes… I concur with y’all… Spearhafoc, you are a cutie! :3
I’m ugly. Can I still play with youse guys?
Joanna @31 August 2011 @8:54am–
“If they (MRAs) ever invented cuddlebots, they would probably turn out to be emotionless bitches. Then MRAs would all be saying “F—–n’ cuddlebots! They only want me for my money and to have software upgrades.”
No Joanna, if WOMEN ever invented cuddlebots, they would be turn out to be emotionless bitches, just like their inventors, who only want men for their money and for software upgrades! MRAs know better! We already have had far too much frustration and heartache with human female “cuddlebots”! It is you greedy, narcissistic, frigid “emotionless bitches” that we would be inventing–and improving cuddlebots to ESCAPE!!
Nice try though!
wishing you all…
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
I am now laughing forever at Meller seriously discussing whether cuddlebots will try to steal his money. That was perfect.
Betty Brosmer.