Are MGTOWers all a bunch of closet romantics? In a recent discussion of some research which concluded that men value kissing and cuddling more than women in long-term relationships, a number of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com confessed that they … actually missed the affections of women.
BeijaFlor reported
I’ve gotten along for decades without sex OR cuddling. And I miss the cuddling, the snuggly affectionate feel of a loving partner, FAR more than I miss the sex. That’s one reason why I don’t call the call-girls; all they offer is the sex.
Golem added:
I’m going to have to agree with the touch thing, too. Hell, I can cut my own hair, but I’ll still drop the cash to have it done with a wash and a scalp massage just for the contact.
That’s actually just really … sad.
Even Nightstorm2516 — the legendary theorist of the Mousetrap Vagina – offered a poignant confession of his own:
I don’t know anyone elses reasoning for cuddling over sex but my own personal reason would be a huge deprivation in my life of affection. I get zero from women so thats a no-go for me. My male friends think hugging is gay via society programming so men show affection by “bumping fists” and “being cool”. My dad IS anti-affection. My mom showed me some affection, but she was so busy working to the bones, I don’t think I ever got enough. My sister and brother never showed me any love.
I think I value cuddling just because its something I never got to do. 26 Years without affection.. dam thats a long time.
That’s actually sort of heartbreaking – at least until I remember that this is the same guy who once argued that vaginas were like strange venom-injecting mousetraps:
This poison … creeps into the male brain and literally makes him stupid, it shuts down his intellect, and activates all his hormones for more pussy. She’s got the bastard. Now she can slowly but surely take all his wealth and keep pumping more poison into him.
It sucks – I mean really, genuinely sucks — that you got no affection from your parents, dude. But if you view women as monsters secretly plotting to entrap you with their vagina-poison, you’re not likely to get a lot of affection from them.
If you want to live a life that has more to it than bitterness and misery, get yourself off of MGTOWforums.com and find a good therapist.
And whatever you do, don’t listen to avoidwoman, MGTOWforums’ budding futurist, who thinks he’s got a woman-free solution to the affection deficit: perfectly realistic robogirls, which he predicts will be here in 2030. (Let’s just hope they’re a bit more reliable than the Cherry 2000 model.)
Yep, we’re back to the topic of sexy robot ladies.
In several comments in the thread, starting with this one, avoidwomen explained his waiting game:
I personally don’t even care for sex and I never want it. I would love romance, such as cuddling and kissing but not with human women, only women substitutes! …
I will get the chance to cuddle as much as I want by 2030 with robogirls and probably earlier when VR technology becomes advanced enough for the simulation to feel realistic. …
The few times I got the chance to be romantic with women, I really enjoyed it and never thought of going “further” or being “sexual” whatsoever. …
Then we got a reminder of just why he’s not getting affection from real, live human women:
Nowdays I just avoid women like the snakes they are! …
I am no white knight in real life, I will not protect a woman. But when VR and robogirls come, I will hold them in my arms. My robogirl will protect me outside the house and inside the house, I will cuddle and hold her. 🙂
Someday, his robotic princess will come.
Do you reckon TAB and Johnny’s superpower works the other way, too? Like, would they be able to recognise Juan the rockspider from the last thread, if they passed him in the street? Cause that would be useful.
I think this is probably him:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/rockspider/undrthtblndrumng/017-1.jpg
(Based on that photo, I can tell that he’s young-at-heart and likes to smile and paints his legs yellow. IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE REFUSING TO ADMIT THE TRUTH YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART.)
This guy is a serial killer!
Wait, now he’s a nice gay dude!
OMG! What is he doing with a woman?!?!
MICHAEL C HALL YOU ARE SO CONFUSING
I’d LOL, but that would be ‘admitting it out loud’ 🙂
Wow. Is every self-styled “Mmale feminist blogger” on the net a chubby pasty middle-aged nerd with some kind of goatee…
Funny that you should say that. Take a look at these guys: Jonah Goldberg
Ross Douthat.
OK, Douthat doesn’t wear glasses, but otherwise he fits the bill.
Guys who spend a lot of time tapping away at a keyboard indoors tend to be less tanned and slender… it just comes with the territory. And a goatee is a good choice if you have trouble growing a full beard or want to compensate for a less than defined chin.
I shaved mine back in ’95 because my girlfriend didn’t like it, but I used to have one that Buffalo Bill would’ve envied (though now that I look like this maybe I should reconsider. 😀 )
Here’s a handy quiz to test your physiognomy skillz!
http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/
Although why you need to diagnose paedophilia from photographs when right on this site in another thread lots of angry blokes are typing, in words, that they want to bang girls, I don’t know.
Arrgh, I hate linkfails! Trying again: Me.
@Things Are Bad – “1) Picture of an MRA (me): http://en.gravatar.com/jeremiahmra
2) Picture of a misandrist (David Futrelle): http://msmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/themes/news_10/images/team/368.jpg
Please vote on who’s the creepazoid. 1 or 2?”
Well, I have to go with 1. I don’t judge “creepazoid” off of looks, I judge it off of behavior.
(although “creepazoid” wouldn’t be my word of choice for you…I’d go for “pompous asshole.”)
shesaidwut said:
To be fair, that is a cropped photo of me looking at a huge pile of used panties.
“Lol, if you don’t think Futrelle is creepy something is definitely wrong with you.
Normally women use the term creepy to merely refer to someone who is not attractive to them. But in this instance, let me clarify. Futrelle looks like a mentally disturbed pedophile.”
[citation needed]
“Feminists are that way because they’re ugly” isn’t exactly an innovative arguing strategy, though the variant of applying it to the men is a tad unconventional.
“Like, would they be able to recognise Juan the rockspider from the last thread, if they passed him in the street? Cause that would be useful.”
Hehehe we are legion, so we could be anyone 😀
“To be fair, that is a cropped photo of me looking at a huge pile of used panties.”
Wow. Yardsales must be pretty nuts where you’re from. XD
I got 100% on the serial killer v computer programmer quiz, although to be fair about 50% of that was because I sussed out how they’d put the questions together.
“Normally women use the term creepy to merely refer to someone who is not attractive to them.”
This is a lie, and a common one from MRA types who are outraged at the “privilege” a woman has to decide who she is going to have sex with. The guy behind the counter at a takeout place who took my contact information from my check and used it to follow me home that night? Creepy. Was he creepy because I was not attracted to him? No. He was creepy because he violated the boundaries of basic courtesy and scared the shit out of me by showing up on my doorstep uninvited. And he was creepy because he didn’t take the hint when I refused to answer my door and proceeded to call me five times in half an hour. I’ve since taken my phone number off my checks. Oh, and the behavior that apparently invited such a violation of my privacy? I ordered some kung pao chicken, and smiled and thanked him when he handed it to me. I was clearly asking for it.
Women use the term creepy to refer to people who make them uneasy or who frighten them. It’s as simple as that.
Wow. Robot ladies as a partner. That is not what society would deem normal. I know its all well and good if its a bit of kissing and cuddling they want but when are these people going to realise that they will want to settle down one day, get married, have kids, grow old with someone they love……you cannot do that with robot ladies…. and even though they may look “realistic” or as near as they are not human and able to human affection and passion..
http://photogirl23.wordpress.com
Normally women use the term creepy to merely refer to someone who is creepy.
If you’ve been called creepy by more than one person, its time to assess your life.
Me: Should misogynists be given puppies or kittens?
CB: Yes, I would like you to help me with the pain in my chest.
Me: How about hamsters?
CB: Yes, ham is good.
And Cleverbot gives good advice:
Me: How can you tell if a woman is a slut?
CB: Don’t worry about that.
blitzgal, that is scary, and super creepy. And David, you look totally cute in that picture.
I do read smugness in TAB’s gravatar, but I might just be seeing it because I already know he’s a smug bastard. Confirmation bias and all that.
“What is it that makes him look that way to you?”
Don’t let him fool you, JohnnyB has a crush on David, but David refused him, so NOW he’s claiming David’s creepy.
MRAs are like that you know. As soon as you reject them, they get all crazy and hysterical and cry and throw temper tantrums, then beg you to accept them. JohnnyB’s sniffs around my crack too, but ewwwwwwww no way!
Oh, Johhny B: The “not addressing the argument” charges are specious at best. Nobody can make and support an argument while being shouted down by a gang of bullies.
Nonsense. I do it all the time. Sometimes they come to me. It happens pretty much anytime I talk about torture (it doesn’t work).
Making an argument,and supporting it is simple.
You make an arguable claim (e.g. it is possible for a group to survive, and be well-nourished, on nothing but a meat diet). That’s an argument.
Then you go an collect evidence (say the actual diet of artcic societies, their rates of scurvy, beri-beri, ricketts, pellagra, and other vitamin deficiency diseases).
That’s all there is to it. If your arguments are sound, it doesn’t matter how many people come in and say mean things, you won’t be refuted.
But, if your arguments are all matters of opinion, unsupported by facts, or are based on fallacies, and those fallacies are underpinning the reasoning (there are a number of fallacies which can be used to support otherwise valid positions, e.g. a hasty generalisation of a true fact. That will be easy to provide subsequent support for, but would be easier to avoid in the first place), then a single perectly, “civil” person can demolish it.
If you enter a forum where the people present like to argue, and know how, trying to support bullshit arguments with ideas you’ve pulled out of your ass… isn’t going to work.
Rhetoric is an important tool, in the support of good argument; it makes good argument better, bit it can’t turn shit to Shinola.
hellkell: AntZ, what are you huffing? Because I wouldn’t mind some right now.
Not me. If it’s going to make me paranoid, and hateful of half the human race… I’d rather gargle drano.
David,
pile used panties or no, these are cool glasses.
hellkell,
I’d guess they expressed wanting to be held in the standard way: being in the same room, and the occasional longing glance when you’re sure that nobody is watching. Bonus points for immediately looking away should she catch you – she’s onto you, your only chance is to fake utter disinterest to her existence for a few months.
You know, if they ever do invent cuddlebots they’d probably turn out to be emotionless bitches. Then MRA’s would be all like “Feckin’ cuddlebots! They only want me for my money and software upgrades!”
TAB, whine all you want, but you’re average. I know you’ve probably been told what a special snowflake you are all your life, but it’s just not so.
David, unlike you, has character. You’re just another run-of-the-mill dude with a chip on his shoulder.
One wonders if those of us who aren’t as TAB imagines feminist men to be were to post pictures, what his excuses/insults would be to denigrate the facts.