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Again with the 14-year-old girls

Was Aqualung a Men's Rights Redditor?

So a bunch of the regulars on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit have their collective knickers in a twist about dudes getting called “pedophiles” just for saying they think 14-year old girls are hot. Because that’s “ephebephilia,” dontchaknow, not pedophilia! And besides, thingsarebad argues

Normal heterosexual males will generally have sexual attraction for pubescent females of child-bearing age, from puberty till they start to get old and gross (late 20s, early 30s usually haha).

That’s pretty much “eww.” But so is the rest of the discussion, really, from this “joke” about all women being as immature as children to this heavily upvoted claim that feminists have created a “pedo-scare … to criminalize healthy and normal male sexuality,” to  this Evo-Psych-flavored argument for lowering the age of consent.

Is it just me or are dudes who get indignant when people don’t carefully distinguish between ephebephilia and pedophilia just really really creepy?

Is “the right to lust after underage girls without having to feel icky about it” really a Men’s Rights issue? Why this preoccupation with 14-year-old girls, on r/mensrights and Reddit generally?

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Unimaginative
Unimaginative
9 years ago

I believed crop circles were great evidence for the existence of extraterrestrial life visiting earth (geez, that’s embarrassing to admit)

No duh. Crop circles are clearly evidence of extra-dimensional life visiting our dimension, with coded messages about how to transition through the coming end of our current incarnation, and emerge into our higher vibrations. Or something.

When I was 14, I thought Gor was a fabulous series. Also, I thought Edgar Rice Burroughs was the bestest author EVAH. Him or Laura Ingalls Wilder. There is not enough money, power, or chocolate in the world to make me want to re-live my teenagerhood.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

When I was fourteen, I was suicidal and didn’t understand how social interaction worked.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

I hit puberty at 12, and at that same age, I believed crop circles were great evidence for the existence of extraterrestrial life visiting earth (geez, that’s embarrassing to admit). Obviously, I was more physically mature than I was mentally mature.

I “hit puberty” at age 10. I was in elementary school and I was too shy to answer the phone and I slept with a stuffed lamb and nightlight every night and I still thought boys were gross and my favorite animal was ponies. So fuckable amiright?

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

Exactly, that’s what I’m talking about. Those guys are actually arguing that menarche is an indicator that a girl is ready for sex. Girls start their periods as young as eight years old. They keep talking about, “Is she fertile?” for a reason to justify their bs. Well, some girls are technically fertile much younger than 14. Do they apply that same logic to a menstruating 9 year old? That’s horrifying.

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
9 years ago

“So fucking screwed up that was.”

Ah, but in Japan at that time, teen porn and prostitution (ENJO-KOSAI) were believe it or not a mostly consensual/voluntary practice among the native girls themselves who engaged in it as an off-hours sideline to earn money for luxury brand-name goods. In fact, they didn’t have pimps at all. Even today, when the Yakuza has muscled into it a bit (after the 1998 bill was passed, for the same reasons Prohibition strengthened the US mafia) this still holds largely true. And if I can recall, the teen girls in Japan felt annoyed, if anything, as the law now allowed cops to arrest them and sent them to juvenile reformatories. So, it really was screwed up because you had a law being passed targetting a victimless practice and eded up creating a victimless crime.

“So fuckable amiright?”

To a certain demographic, yes, because you were so MOE. (Heh, this will be my last Japanese reference)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Moe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)

I* really should posting on this topic…

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
9 years ago

Whooops, I meant stop posting on this topic.

malcontent
malcontent
9 years ago

Peak fertility is hardly fourteen years old, for these losers so obsessed with a girl’s reproductive potential. An eighteen or twenty-year-old woman is more likely to be fertile than a girl who has just begun menstruating. It can take some girls years to establish a regular cycle and become fertile. And though I’m sure these sleazes don’t care, young teenagers generally don’t have the best pregnancy outcomes even when they can become pregnant. And what? They want fourteen-year-olds so they can get them pregnant? These men who don’t think they should have to support the children they conceive, and certainly not the children they conceive off of children.

My great-grandmother had her last child at 43. None of the women in my family have had trouble conceiving in their twenties, thirties, or even early forties for those who have tried. While the women in my family might be more fertile than average, the idea that most healthy women in their late twenties/early thirties are “used up” and unable to conceive is nonsensical.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

FWIW, I don’t think Lyn was sucking up to MRAs so much as saying “fuck you, you’re wrong.”

Pecunium
9 years ago

juandelacruz: How to say this in simple terms….

ah, got it.

Bullshit.

Japan is not now, and has never been, an egalitarian culture. How much Nihon-go do you speak?

How many people who are culturally suffused in Japan have you spoken to about the social pressures which might be driving this? Since it was legal, how many of the girls who were doing this do you think are likely to say, “I was doing this because I was dirt poor, and this was a way to get things I couldn’t afford?”

How many are going to, in a very male dominant culture, where women have limited access to ways of making money, and younger girls have less. Moreover, since Japan is one of the most culturally isolationist, casually racist, and resistant to outside pressures of any nation save N. Korea or Burma, the idea that Western Feminists(™) forced the men who make the laws to pass this one fails the laugh test so hard my neighbors knocked on the door to see if I was ok.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

I like how Juan is choosing one of the most reviled groups of ‘pure’ japanese people to emulate himself on. Otaku are just above non-white gaijin such as Koreans and Ainu, and japanese who are perceived as discarding their japanesehood, such as ganguro in the pecking order. Seriously dude, moe fetishes, as opposed to just liking cute things? It’s a mostly disturbing umbrella of fetishes predicated on ‘innocence’ and subservience. And I remember the death threats sent to the Kannagi author. It’s a disturbing group, only pandered to because of their high disposable income.

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
9 years ago

“I like how Juan is choosing one of the most reviled groups of ‘pure’ japanese people to emulate himself on”

Just as the Muslims have their Global Ummah, so too do we 21st Century “Database Animals” of all nations and races have our own concept of International Solidarity, just like in that Cleveland Brown episode with the SDCC 😀 (the Japanese are to a certain species of nerd, what the Arabs are to Muslims) Clearly, though your logname suggests otherwise, you seem to apparently not be one with us no? Tsk tsk tsk…

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

To a certain demographic, yes, because you were so MOE.

More like tsundere, if the boys I kicked in the nuts had anything to say about it. But sure, let’s have an “otaku off” to determine whether 10-year-old girls can legally consent to sex with old men, ’cause that sounds legit. :p

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Seriously dude, moe fetishes, as opposed to just liking cute things? It’s a mostly disturbing umbrella of fetishes predicated on ‘innocence’ and subservience.

I’m pretty sure visible physical disabilities feature in there too, somewhere. Small kids in wheelchairs, or using crutches. etc. Because getting a hard-on for tiny shy little girls who are physically incapable of escaping isn’t creepy at all. Keep it classy, weeaboo pedos. :p

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
9 years ago

MOE inspires the finer chivalrous impulses of men, like “I want to protect/cuddle her” and such.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

“MOE inspires the finer chivalrous impulses of men, like “I want to protect/cuddle her” and such.”

Either this is a wannabe rapist’s attempt at snark, or you jerk off daily to loli hentai till it hurts to pee and have deluded yourself into that lie so you don’t feel bad when your Ma takes your socks for laundry.

katz
9 years ago

I hit puberty at 12, and at that same age, I believed crop circles were great evidence for the existence of extraterrestrial life visiting earth (geez, that’s embarrassing to admit).

NWO probably still believes this, so perhaps it’s a match after all.

Juan, if you don’t see how creepy everything you’re saying is, I can’t explain it to you.

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
9 years ago

You may find it creepy, but I assure you, that’s what MOE sincerely evokes in it’s fans. Once again, you see the demonization and villification of heterosexual male sexuality. No wonder why chivalry died in the West, where the knightly instinct is confused with that of the rapine instinct.And that, in a nutshell, is why there is, has, and always be a segment of men who prefer virgin maidens: they are still not yet already jaded, so they can appreciate romantic love in the courtly tradition ex. Bella in Twilight.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

they are still not yet already jaded, so they can appreciate romantic love in the courtly tradition ex. Bella in Twilight.

…Yup, wannabe rapist it is.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Also, cannibal? I think cannibal.

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
9 years ago

“…Yup, wannabe rapist it is.”

Heh, are you saying that Edward Cullen is a wannabe rapist?

“Also, cannibal? I think cannibal”

Actually, I’m vegan by preference, but a freegan by practice.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

Juan is just gold, greasy greasy gold, I mean with bits like this how can one not be entertained?

“so too do we 21st Century “Database Animals” of all nations and races have our own concept of International Solidarity”

Yes youngling! Join your peers in kinship!
http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/manispedostalker.jpg
http://www.theanimereality.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/anime-pillow.jpg

You can just tell with this kid (even though it’s possible he is well into his middle age) that the “heterosexual male sexuality” he tries to rep does not remotely apply to him. Given it’s obvious that actual social interaction with non animated females has never happened.

But to end on a note in regards to a personal pet peeve of mine, if this loser was even an iota less ignorant about history, he would know that all his spew about “the knightly instinct being confused with rapine instinct” is utter bullshit since those “gallant” knights were little more then foul-smelling bandit rapists in hill forts.

The more you know.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

“so they can appreciate romantic love in the courtly tradition ex. Bella in Twilight.”
“Heh, are you saying that Edward Cullen is a wannabe rapist?”
“Actually, I’m vegan by preference, but a freegan by practice.”

Can I finish the sentence please?

“Juan eats garbage before creeping on teenage girls at the Twilight premier.”

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
9 years ago

“I mean with bits like this how can one not be entertained?”

Well, now that you’re entertained, my life finally has meaning … not! 😀

“even though it’s possible he is well into his middle age”

Believe it or not, but I can assure you I am still firmly on the calendar…

“is utter bullshit since those “gallant” knights were little more then foul-smelling bandit rapists in hill forts”

Not a fan of the Knightly Ideals or Chivalric Romances eh? I bet you don’t like superheroes either no? Ah, how ironic that there are still far too many fools willing to play the White Knight in the modern age for feminists, considering how much these amazons actually despise the genuine gallantry of gentleman tsk tsk tsk. And yet women (even and especially White Western Women) are fond of complaining of wondering where have all the good men gone? Gone ghost, that’s what, gone their own way, because why bother with women who are neither appreciative nor grateful? And they tend to become more unappreciative and ungrateful the older they get kekekekekeke

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

“…Yup, wannabe rapist it is.”

Heh, are you saying that Edward Cullen is a wannabe rapist?

Is…is that an actual question? Could I answer anything but “yes”? Could anyone answer anything but “yes”? He’s a wannabe murderer to boot, but (like a knight!) gallantly restrains himself to merely stalking her, sniffing her, and fucking her ’til she bruises and than eventually biting a vampire baby out of her uterus.

How romantic! No one’s ever offered to bite a vampire baby out of my uterus; truly chivalry is dead.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Hey it’s the famous/infamous/outfamous Ginmar! O:

I know nothing about you except that some trolls mention your name and think you and Rutee know each other xD

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Chivalry is just another way to make yourself feel better for treating women like objects (Albeit expensive ones).

And dude we’re not the ones talking about Moe being sexually attractive, that’s you. I won’t say that, per se, the bodyguard crush trope is necessarily rape-y, but Moe amps up the ‘body-guarded”s helplessness by far too much for it to be anything else. If you’re sexually attracted to someone that absolutely depends on you for protection or profvidence, well, you have a serious love of unequal relationships where consent isn’t a thing that can really be given freely, I.E. rape.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

It’s possible she knows me I guess? The only place I’ve seen baby cookouts mentioned as a thing before was Pharyngula, because god it’s fun to parody the over the top accusations made about us, but I didn’t catch her name when I was there.

But it’s more likely that it’s a joke in a lot more places than that, and I can definitely see it being common in a lot of pro-choice heavy spaces solely as a matter of pro-choice, because really, I know that ‘abortionists feeding on abortion’, either literally or figuratively, is a common trope amongst anti abortion people.

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
9 years ago

Eh, I find to be an extremely liberal construction of the term. Then again, you are liberal extremists after all. 😀

Leely
Leely
9 years ago

MOE inspires the finer chivalrous impulses of men, like “I want to protect/cuddle her” and such.

You may find it creepy, but I assure you, that’s what MOE sincerely evokes in it’s fans. Once again, you see the demonization and villification of heterosexual male sexuality.

The juxtaposition of these two statements is really disturbing. The impulse to protect small, young, defenseless creatures is a *human* instinct. To claim that it is part of “heterosexual male sexuality” makes it sound like you really, really want to fuck little girls.

Roleplay with a consenting adult partner who happens to look (or can make him/herself look) young. Fantasize all you want. But by all means, keep insisting your desires aren’t creepy at all – that way I know to never let you anywhere near my children.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

To claim that it is part of “heterosexual male sexuality” makes it sound like you really, really want to fuck little girls.

He really, really does. He’s basically started posting child porn in the mammoth thread.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Yes youngling! Join your peers in kinship!
http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/manispedostalker.jpg
http://www.theanimereality.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/anime-pillow.jpg

You can just tell with this kid (even though it’s possible he is well into his middle age) that the “heterosexual male sexuality” he tries to rep does not remotely apply to him. Given it’s obvious that actual social interaction with non animated females has never happened.

Ordinarily I’m not comfortable with these jokes, because they’re not usually only given to the few people who actually deserve it, and are instead given to nerd-dom as a whole (Substitute ‘animated’ with whatever’s appropriate), but I’m pretty sure he just admitted to trying to stick to the most hardcore-loser areas of 2ch, so fire away.

(the Japanese are to a certain species of nerd, what the Arabs are to Muslims)

Really? You’re going to compare xenophobia to “Get out of the fucking house” and “Don’t have creepy feelings towards women”? Yeah, no, that’s appropriation if I ever saw it. You don’t know what discrimination is.

Not a fan of the Knightly Ideals or Chivalric Romances eh? I bet you don’t like superheroes either no? Ah, how ironic that there are still far too many fools willing to play the White Knight in the modern age for feminists, considering how much these amazons actually despise the genuine gallantry of gentleman tsk tsk tsk. And yet women (even and especially White Western Women) are fond of complaining of wondering where have all the good men gone?

White Knight is a term overused by MRIdiots like yourself. Yes, a non zero number of asshats, do actually try to get sex by being ‘gallant’ on the internet. You confuse our allies, who legitimately believe these principles, with those idiots. It isn’t white knighting if you don’t expect a cookie.

Gone ghost, that’s what, gone their own way, because why bother with women who are neither appreciative nor grateful?

You don’t deserve gratitude for wanting to fuck me.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Eh, I find to be an extremely liberal construction of the term. Then again, you are liberal extremists after all. 😀

I’m sure you do, you little misogynist you.

But the ability to consent is paramount; you can not meaningfully consent to someone who controls your life, and that’s what the kind of helplessness that is moe means. To want to take on the care for someone that helpless, *and want to fuck them*, is fucked up, and very rapey.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

I have read something about the waning libidos of both men and women in Japan. However, I would venture a wild guess that this development, far from being the immediate consequence of any attempt to regulate the adult entertainment industry, is more readily attributable to the Japanese society’s oversaturation with violent pornography and certain societal attitudes that socialize women to act like pre-pubescent children and to act as if sexual activity is about as pleasurable as a root canal. Look: I am not against pornography per se, nor do I believe it serves any good to make windows into people’s souls and control what they jerk off to. But, there comes a point where fetishism takes on a life of its own, no longer being complementary to conventional sexual activity, but its preferred replacement. I don’t know if the idea of forcefully “seducing” an adolescent girl is more pleasurable to Japanese men when it’s just a fantasy, but less gratifying when it’s acted out in real life. Perhaps if certain aspects of that culture made more room for sex being about playfulness and fun, rather than submission and domination, with women being enthusiastic participants, people in Japan would have more babies. Although, I recognize that’s by far not the only thing that affects the birth rate.

In a word, no.

In slightly more words, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

In useful words, very no, and you need serious evidence to corroborate it. Japan’s culture is extremely stressful to all involved, especially in matters of work. If you are not one of the rare eccentrics who can truly get away with being amazingly ‘weird’ due to amazing results, you live a life that is extremely stressful, where you’re placed under huge amounts of pressure. For instance, junior office workers don’t walk anywhere; that’s lazy, only lazy or accomplished people walk. But actually running would be dangerous, so they jog, slowly, everywhere. That’s a ridiculous practice, but it’s only one, and only one sliver of the judging and pressure the Japanese face for *existing*. It’s no wonder they’re having fewer kids; the Japanese (Husbands and wives) live such stressful lives, and stress reduces fertility.

kristinmh
kristinmh
9 years ago

Peak fertility is 14, eh? Wow! Too bad I didn’t have sex when I was 14, because it only took 3 months of trying for me to get knocked up at 30. If I’m super-fertile now I would have been uber-fertile then. Think how many betas I could have soaked for child support in the past, er, 16 years!

Malcontent, do you come from a very large German-Canadian family with roots in Western Canada? If so, my grandmother might be your great-grandmother. She had 12 kids, starting in her early 20s and ending in her mid-40s. While running a farm.

Juan de la Cruz, you win the “Creepiest new Troll” award. Congratulations!

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I don’t buy the whole “I have the urge to protect kids!” thing.

I have the urge to protect kids too. That’s why I don’t want anybody fucking them.

Seriously, if you want to nurture and shelter a young person, you don’t do that by getting into a relationship with them that’s virtually guaranteed to disrupt their relationships with peers, put them in a situation where they’re always “inferior” to their partner, ask them for consent based on your “grown-up authority” rather than their enthusiasm, and end (at best) by breaking their heart and making them feel like they’re the weirdo.

“I want to protect you, but I have to stick my dick in you to do that”–that’s not the love of a protector, right there.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I don’t think moe is inherently bad! Sexual fantasies often come from a really dark and disturbing place in someone’s id, and “I want to protect and cuddle (and also sleep with) a cute, innocent girl” is not quite as dark and disturbing as, say, gay incest noncon fantasies. If roleplayed with a consenting and ADULT partner, it’s cool.

The problem is that Juan De La Cruz has “confusing reality and porn” syndrome. You don’t want a partner you can protect, not really; you want an equal partner you can pretend to protect sometimes. You certainly don’t want to fuck a teenager. Trust me, I was one, you don’t.

Pecunium
9 years ago

MOE inspires the finer chivalrous impulses of men, like “I want to protect/cuddle her” and such.

The common refrain of the sexist/racist/etc. “They” need to be “protected”. It’s not like blacks, or women, are people, and one wonders at the idea of, “cuddling, and protection” includes fucking children.

And knightly romances, like “Le Chanson de Rolande”, and “El Cid” and Le Morte D’Arthur”… fables, ideas of what might be, were the world more perfected. Given the horrific things which took place in them; the world they were improvements on must have been a bit sucky, if one wasn’t rich.

This is the age of, “The Last Duel” where a woman who was raped had to hope her husband won the mortal combat; because if he lost his, mortal combat, not only would her rapist (who did it it gain revenge on her husband), be vindicated, but she’d be hanged; because she corroborated her husband’s accusation.

The film, “Flesh and Blood” is a little, late, but better captures the period you are talking about then do the fantastic ideas you seem to have gotten from Errol Flynn and Disney movies.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

“I want to protect you, but I have to stick my dick in you to do that”–that’s not the love of a protector, right there.

Yes, that’s…what’s the word? Oh yeah: exploitative.

Ohiken
Ohiken
9 years ago

Stoney’s Sparkledammerung is a thing of truth and beauty.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

CB – It can be self-delusion on the molestor’s part, too. I’ve read about child molesters saying–and honestly believing–that they were doing the kids a favors by keeping them safe from the bad people out there, you know, the ones that might hurt them.

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Agreed, Holly. Molestors often imagine their victims to be consenting, which is muddled by the fact that some victims find the experience to be at least somewhat pleasureable, if only for the attention received. This is why molestors often target kids who are neglected.

BTW, this in no way justifies exploitation of children.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

There’s also the “I got turned on, therefore she was trying to turn me on” delusion that NWO has such trouble with.

Pecunium
9 years ago

It’s a bit scary that NWO’s view of sexuality seems almost healthy when compared to juandelacruz’.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

You may not think you’re sucking up to whatever dipshit is opining that all feminazis hate men, but it’s very Shakesville-like to issue disclaimers to assure fragile male egos that the speaker likes men, really they do. That’s not the point. The point is, that it’s classic manipulation by various MRAs, who know how to put women on the defensive. Live a little. Next time you feel the urge to assure some MRA that you just ADORE men or whatever in response to some accusation of man hating, stop and think.

Think about how you being in a happy relationship with a man (or woman, or both) Really, REALLY pisses them off.
Then enjoy telling them about it, because they are sad, lonely self-absorbed losers who will never really know how to connect with another human being. 😉

Bruce McGlory
9 years ago

You know, whiny douchebag misogynistics pretty much HAVE to be attracted to children, because all they really want is a fuckable mommy. Children (generally speaking) haven’t had the time, or life experience, to yet be “full” people with their own desires, interests, goals, etc. They’re easily exploitable, and generally assumed to be gullible.

That’s an MRA’s dream woman – one he can rape, beat, torture and starve into becoming the perfect stepford fuckable mommy!

TAB is an excellent example of this: lots of claims that women love him, that he’s oh-so-smart, and yet, children are the only female humans he doesn’t seethe so much hate for.

They’re cowards, ultimately, and this obssession with fucking children just proves the extent of their chickenshitness.

Ginmar Rienne
9 years ago

I find that a lot of the anti-choicers and woman-haters make outrageous accusations and then expect women to go, “Oh, no! I’m not like them.” Divide and conquer. Then women will scurry toward talking about their boyfriends, and how they’re devoted to men and……the MRAs have successfully framed the debate and got women to agree to it.

I only occasionally hang around at Pharyngula, but I’ve been roasting babies, so to speak, ever since it became clear that nothing wuuld satisfy MRA trolls, so I like turning it around on them. It gives them nowhere to go. If a bunch of straight women rush to rapsodize about their boyfriends, where does that leave women who DO fit the stereotype of feminists? They’re basically left out in the cold. And what’s wrong with being angry, or refusing to starve yourself, or saying ‘fuck it’ to standards of appearance that were created by men? The MRAs sure whine like stuck pigs when we make dick jokes, but there they are, tricking women into assuring them that, basically, the only real feminists are the het, attractive, coupled ones. With that kind of background, you can’t get MRAs, ironically, to believe that any woman on the internet isn’t really the worst fear they have in their hind brain. Good. Let them live in fear.

KathleenB, you absolutely must, have to, cannot live without reading Cleolinda’s movies in fifteen versions of the whole Twilight series. Somehow, I always picture MRAs as thinking they’re really Edward, except without whatever it is I’m supposed to find attractive about a dude who is so very obviously wearing pancake makeup mixed with glitter, plus stalking a young woman who’s got no brains or personality at all. “I AM GOING TO MY ROOM, GOOD DAY TO ALL OF YOU.” Edward is the fantasy MRA, because more and more it seems like MRAs just want fourteen-year-old girls to lust after them so the MRAs can claim, “Hey, she wanted me.” Yeah, well, when I was fourteen I wanted to be a jockey, but Mom and Dad didn’t give in to that any more than when I wanted to be a wilderness explorer, either. “THERE’S GOT TO BE SOME WILDERNESS I CAN FIND, MOM!”

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Ginmar – There’s a difference between saying “I like all men and will do whatever they want” and saying “I do like most decent guys.”

And honestly? I do. No less and no more than I like most decent women. And I think it’s important to say that, to give evidence that this isn’t a battle of the genders.

The MRAs haven’t framed shit here, if that’s what you’re worried about. Mostly they just ignore us when we mention liking men, because they want to see us as man-haters.

Speaking of room for everyone in feminism, please leave a little room for people who do, in fact, love their boyfriends, and aren’t afraid to say so. If you dismiss us as man-pleasing movement-hijacking bimbos, you’re dividing and conquering better than the MRAs ever could.

Bruce McGlory
9 years ago

“Divide and conquer. Then women will scurry toward talking about their boyfriends, and how they’re devoted to men and……the MRAs have successfully framed the debate and got women to agree to it. ”

Isn’t it a deliberate double-edge sword? If she doesn’t talk about the men in her life she cares for, then that’s “proof” no man can stand her and she’s just bitter.

They do hate to hear stories from women about being in happy and loving relationships with men, because chickenshit crybaby MRAs are incapable of that. That’s what made them MRAs to begin with.

. .. of course, now that Im thinking about it – since they are impervious to reality, it really doens’t matter what a woman says, it will still be painfully twisted to “prove” women really are at fault for whatever.

hmmm.

What do you suggest to deal with such cowardly dodges from chickenshit MRAs?

Johnny_B
Johnny_B
9 years ago

The MRAs sure whine like stuck pigs when we make dick jokes

Which are, of course, perfectly fine and laudable (who cares that so many men are insecure about their penis size? They’re just men, fuck’em and their worthless feelings) as well as saying things like “MRAs whine like stuck pigs”. You go girl! But of course, saying anything bad about feminists isn’t funny and you’re just a mean misogynist if you do! Big no-no.

To be honest I’m rather enjoying this feminist vs MRA spectacle, because it’s like watching two camps of extremist fanatics, each fully convinced that they are 100% right, going at it with all they’ve got.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Johnny B, please note that nobody here (other than sort of Ginmar, but she only referenced it, didn’t make any) is actually making dick jokes, and on the forums we actually criticize each other rather heavily for such things.

Because handy as it would make the MRA’s bookkeeping, feminists are not the pro-woman anti-man camp. We’ve got nothing against men who’ve got nothing against women.