Tiny Bunny and Small Dog are trying a new look this week, or however long it’s been since the last one of these. It’s a crass attempt to appeal to space aliens.
This time the horrible misogynist quote comes from an anonymous confession on the web site Group Hug , a site devoted to anonymous confessions. In it, a Nice Guy argues that dating is all about “give and take.” Thanks to Denia for posting the link in the comments!
The full quote can be found below the video. (I did some teensy edits to it in the video.)
Mr. Anonymous 174618126 says:
You want a good guy to fall in love with you. Guys want some hot tail. That’s the game. You give and take, we give and take. It’s impossible for two people to even co-exist happily without this give and take process, let alone have a good relationship. So every time you tell me “Uh? I’m more than just a piece of ass, I’m—-” I don’t even hear the rest. I’m well aware you’re not just a piece of ass, you cunt. If I thought that, I wouldn’t talk to you and try to get your consent; I’d just take you. But to give the famous line “I’m more than just a piece of ass” is pretty much the same as saying you’re not interested in even entertaining the idea of us sleeping together. And that means you’re not worth my time or any man’s time.
I’m being fair. Women like you don’t want a man, you want a slave. Someone you can command to bark, sniff, and roll over. Something you can play fetch with. It would be the same thing if I came over to your house, forced you to give me head, and left. I don’t want to be a slave and you don’t want to be my bitch. So why is it so difficult to meet me half way?
I’m so sick of this shit. So very very sick. If you’re not interested in me then don’t fucking talk to me.
Mr. Anonymous 174618126, I feel safe in saying that no one who has read what you just wrote will ever want to talk to you.
Men are not meaner than women, by the way.
Men are not meaner than women, by the way.
Did anyone say they were?
No one said they were, MRAL.
I’ve known many women who have flat-out said that they believe women to be meaner than men.
MRAL: So… women ought to what? Decide to “lie back and make the best of it,”? Because other than a backhanded insuation that fighting back is dangerous, and maybe should be avoided, there’s nothing in your comment.
Any time someone is being violent the odds of being hurt more by fighting back exist. Not fighting, however, guarantees the attacker gets what the attacker wants.
Fighting back in an informed way, changes the odds a lot.
I find it interesting that so many of the sorts who say, “you need to fight back against bullies” and, “rape is about sex” also seem to think that a rapist is some sort of special creation who will not act as a normal bully.
It’s almost as if it wasn’t about the sex, but about perpetrating violence on women.
re women and men. Rudyard Kipling thinks women are the one’s to beware of.
The Female of the Species
It’s sexist mind, and it’s got aspects of the MRM, though to be fair to Kipling, I don’t know that he would think the same today; there is such a thing as cultural context.
MRAL, you’re doing the “aardvarks are not a reptile!” thing. That’s NWO’s gig.
No one’s advocating “pc coddling” and no one said men were meaner than women.
I said men were generally “meaner”, but it was a very broad statement about men being more willing to engage in fisticuffs. I should have been more specific because meaner wasn’t meant in an emotional sense, rather it was a remark on physical resiliency and toughness. I’ve trained with men and women, and my observation is that men are overwhelmingly less reticent about physical violence when they first begin training.
malcontent: I agree with the observation about men being more willing to commit, “honestly” to training. That said, I’ve encountered lots of training (in lots of schools, in various arts” where the level of “going through the motions” is high.
The hardest part is getting a school to accept that to get good training, the actions have to be legit. That not catching a fist isn’t going to mean a tap on the gi, but an actual impact to the gut. That not catching a parry means getting a sword upside the head (to be fair the nature of fencing means one has to learn to not engage the blade, but if one moves to less formalised weapons than foil, epée, and sabre, the number of people who are aiming for the sword goes way up).
About the only discipline I’ve studied that didn’t suffer from this was boxing.
Boxing taught me a lot. 1: Getting hit hurts. 2: Getting hit won’t kill you. 3: If you can hit back, the hurting is less. 4: Winning a fight hurts. 5: Losing a fight hurts worse.
That quote is what I imagine goes through the head of every man who’s ever harassed me on the street, and that terrifies me.
I also took self-defense, but I took it at a Baptist college. Self-defense for women at a Baptist college includes copious instructions on: Avoiding bars, traveling alone, and sleeping by yourself in motels because rapists will be hiding under your bed. No joke. It was not helpful.
Finally! An expert!!
Gee, I wonder why MRAL is single, let alone has no female friends.
It’s a mystery…
This is what happens when you put women on a pedestal. It never ends well. This guy should really consider hiring a pro, and afterwards, GHOW. This is sexual frustration to the max, and it’s horrible.
BTW, this guy is neither a MGHOW nor an MRA, he appears to be an incredibly sexually frustrated and socially inept man. Nice of David to take the time to ridicule him.
That’s true, qwert, he’s just a garden-variety misogynist–like the MGTOWs.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, qwert. You think this guy puts women on a pedestal? Can you point me to what in his comment makes you think that? Was it the part where he threatens to rape women? Or the overwhelming contempt? Maybe the part where he says a woman who isn’t interested in sleeping with him isn’t worth the time of any man?
Oh, while you’re at it, maybe you can show me where David says the quote comes from a MGHOW or an MRA.
@ pervocracy
Ah, the m-word. Funny, haven’t heard that word since the last time I was here. Still, it’s good to know that David is still waging his righteous war against those undesirable misogynists, such as this evil man.
@ Bee
Pure speculation on my part. There is no evidence of his putting women on a pedestal, he obviously doesn’t state this is his comment, I just assume that this is what led him to his state of mind.
“Oh, while you’re at it, maybe you can show me where David says the quote comes from a MGHOW or an MRA.”
My bad for pointing out the obvious.
Peeps, MRAL does actually make a good point, even if he’s compelled to disingenuously attack feminists in the process. But since when is this new?
“I don’t think anyone would advocate “ordering” women to fight back. But we’re being disingenuous if we didn’t mention that punching a rapist in the face or kicking him in the balls might, well, get you killed. It also might scare him off. Or it might not change the situation at all.”
As a victim in a dangerous situation, you really don’t know what the effect resistance will have is. I can’t find the stats now, but I recall them saying that in cases where the victim did fight back, the chances of being harmed didn’t change. Some people get the idea that if a woman doesn’t fight back, then she wasn’t raped (or she didn’t do everything she could to prevent it). This is bull of course, as it becomes a survival situation where you do what you can to get through it. The class you mentioned, Pecunium, does sound interesting, but feminists have been saying that comments like “just fight back” are absurdly unhelpful.
@qwert666:
So, you’ve made two assertions, and one you’ve admitted is completely pulled out of your ass. The other is demonstrably false, since David calls the quoted person a Nice Guy, not a MGHOW or an MRA. Good start, kiddo.
qwert666 said, “Pure speculation on my part”.
Thanks, now I know I you were pulling it right out of the air, so I will disregard it. You assume he puts women on a pedestal and gets hurt by women, so you can feel that his repugnant statements are somehow justifiable. They’re not. The anonymous poster is a misogynist asshole. Case closed.
@ kirbywarp
Why not get off the defensive, I’m not here to attack you.
For the record, I agree completely with your post before this one. When a violent aggressor attacks you, he/she has a set goal in mind. Whatever resistance you put forth in defence, your attacker will do what they feel is necessary to overcome it and reach their desired goal. Unless you are certain that you can repel the attack, I think it unwise to even resist. And I’ll point out that I’m not expressly talking about rape here. If a thug with a knife wants my wallet, I’m handing it over. Better to deal with him/her through the courts at a later date than get my throat cut trying to be a hero.
As for whether or not women should fight back, I’m going to go with the best advice I heard: it depends, but if they’re trying to drag you into a car, fight like hell.
Every situation is different, and there’s no one-size-fits-all response.
Gavin de Becker’s _The Gift of Fear_ talks more about responding to attacks, or, more precisely, learning to pay attention to intuition’s signals about attacks.
Funny, haven’t heard that word since the last time I was here.
thats probably because you spend most of your time commiserating with other misogynists
Huge difference between your wallet and your body. Just saying.