Tiny Bunny and Small Dog are trying a new look this week, or however long it’s been since the last one of these. It’s a crass attempt to appeal to space aliens.
This time the horrible misogynist quote comes from an anonymous confession on the web site Group Hug , a site devoted to anonymous confessions. In it, a Nice Guy argues that dating is all about “give and take.” Thanks to Denia for posting the link in the comments!
The full quote can be found below the video. (I did some teensy edits to it in the video.)
Mr. Anonymous 174618126 says:
You want a good guy to fall in love with you. Guys want some hot tail. That’s the game. You give and take, we give and take. It’s impossible for two people to even co-exist happily without this give and take process, let alone have a good relationship. So every time you tell me “Uh? I’m more than just a piece of ass, I’m—-” I don’t even hear the rest. I’m well aware you’re not just a piece of ass, you cunt. If I thought that, I wouldn’t talk to you and try to get your consent; I’d just take you. But to give the famous line “I’m more than just a piece of ass” is pretty much the same as saying you’re not interested in even entertaining the idea of us sleeping together. And that means you’re not worth my time or any man’s time.
I’m being fair. Women like you don’t want a man, you want a slave. Someone you can command to bark, sniff, and roll over. Something you can play fetch with. It would be the same thing if I came over to your house, forced you to give me head, and left. I don’t want to be a slave and you don’t want to be my bitch. So why is it so difficult to meet me half way?
I’m so sick of this shit. So very very sick. If you’re not interested in me then don’t fucking talk to me.
Mr. Anonymous 174618126, I feel safe in saying that no one who has read what you just wrote will ever want to talk to you.
I caught the beginning of “But I’m a Cheerleader” this afternoon, and one of the early signs of lesbianism is tofu. Maybe Anon’s hypothetical girlfriend was trying to say that she was made of tofu and therefore a lesbian?
Really, who would say something like, “I’m more than just a piece of ass.” That rates right up there with, “you don’t see women as human” or “you objectify women.” You’d have to be some assinine ideology worshipper to say anything so damn stupid.
It’s not like people say these things out of nowhere. They’re not conversation openers. They’re responses.
You may want to reconsider the things they were responses to before deciding that feminists just squawk these phrases at random.
(“AWWWK! POLLY FEELS DEHUMANIZED! AWWWK! POLLY PERCEIVES TREATMENT AS AN ‘OTHER’ EXISTING FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE PRIVILEGED CLASS! AWWWWK!”)
SLAVE you are now in a binding legal contract owned by the state.
POLLY is as well.
crap, i knew i shouldn’t have fallen for that upper-case gambit.
anyway, nwo, curious as before: where exactly did you read about contract law that you learned all those fascinating things?
is there a book you read or a class you took?
(or was it a webpage that used a lot of forced angry portmanteaus like “don’t trust the republidumbs or the demodurrs to run the governstupid!”? and there was a gif of an american flag with the “wavy” effect but it was upside down? and there were very large capital letters in unusual color schemes? and frames? and lots of famous photos with out-of-focus stuff in the background circled in mspaint?)
i’m sure it was a book or a class, right.
Dear Legally Incompetent Stupid “Nice” Guy,
For a contract to be binding, it must involve a Consideration. If you wish to treat me like a Piece of Ass, I get to treat you like My Personal Slave. And my first order of business, as your Slave Owner, is to order you to stop treating me like a Piece of Ass.
By indicating that you will refuse to accept my commands as your Master, I’m permitted, under the terms of the Dating Contract you’ve posited, to refuse to be your Piece of Ass and dump your sorry ass for Breach of Contract.
“Really, who would say something like, “I’m more than just a piece of ass.” That rates right up there with, “you don’t see women as human” or “you objectify women.” You’d have to be some assinine ideology worshipper to say anything so damn stupid.”
NWO, (all caps!) you do realize that you’re constantly talking about women as being solely suited for child care and cooking, right? And that when you’re not talking about our whorish natures, you’re reminding us that we’re like sandwiches, wads of money, and expensive cars left unattended?
It isn’t ideology, it’s your ACTUAL, objectification and dehumanization of women -an idiot like you treating women as monolith best suited for the work of servants is dehumanizing- that causes people to say that you objectify women and don’t see them as human.
It’s kind of funny to me that “nice guy” thinks he’s doing a woman a favor when he doesn’t just “take” her. Does he think women never fight back? I’ve taken martial arts classes with plenty of women, and I’m sure even the tiny ones would put up a damn good fight. Unless he enjoys getting kicked and punched while he’s trying to fuck a woman, he’s probably doing himself a favor too.
NWOSlave, the posters here are not saying that asserting that one is more than a piece of ass is stupid, simply that doing so “right out of the gate” does not happen often enough to be a concern. Likewise, I could not see myself saying “you don’t see women as human” or “you objectify women,” to someone with whom I had had no previous contact, as I would have no basis for those assertions, and therefore it seems that other people would also be unlikely to make such assertions without witnessing behavior that led tho those conclusions.
Would you make assertions similar to “you don’t see women as human” or “you objectify women,” directed at individuals with whom you had no contact on which to base those assertions? If so, why? If not, why do you assume that other people would?
If the shoe fits, NWO…
Or should I say: IF THE SHOE FITS?
THERE IS NO CONTEXT!!!
“I’ve taken martial arts classes with plenty of women, and I’m sure even the tiny ones would put up a damn good fight. Unless he enjoys getting kicked and punched while he’s trying to fuck a woman, he’s probably doing himself a favor too.”
Some women do fight back, but on average men are bigger and stronger and able to overpower a woman. It’s also a lot different fighting back against a real threat than in a class, you have no idea what someone might do to you if you act violently. Someone who rapes you is not a reasonable person, they do not care about your bodily autonomy or well-being, and that makes them a very dangerous person to fight or hurt.
@ NWO; STFU and make me a sam’ich
I commend “Impact/Model Mugger” classes.
(dons professional instructor of applied violence hat)
When dealing with physical conflict/combat, where most people fail is an unwillingness to initiate actual violent behavior, even in response to violent behavior. A lot of that is from a lack of experience. Even martial arts are often not good preparatory training because the conditions by which techniques are initiated are formalised,and the cues which muscle memory are based on fail to occur until it’s too late to effectively react.
Impact/Model Mugging are free form classes. The attackers are well padded, and there are no rules. It doesn’t really matter what one knows how to do, nor really how effective the techniques one uses, in the class, are, the important skills to learn are assessment, and actual initiation.
Which are learned.
I’ve seen some really atypical responses in such classes, things that one isn’t likely to think of under real-world stress, but which are more likely when one has practiced them at least once.
Think of fire-drills. Part of the reason the WTC attacks weren’t as deadly as they might have been was the drills after the WTC bombing a few years earlier. People had a model.
The classes are not only for women, though there are some classes which are segregated.
/hat
I’m aware that my paltry martial arts skills might not fight off a determined rapist. There’s many a time I’ve left class covered in bruises dealt out by men who are shorter than I am, for example. My point was just that “nice guy”‘s assumption of complete physical dominance over any woman was somewhat optimistic.
I should also point out that outcomes are almost always better for a woman who puts up some physical resistance to an attack. I don’t think it’s fair to tell woman not to fight back because then they might get hurt. They are going to get hurt anyway.
Add to that the unwillingness to commit. During training attacks are often pulled even when wearing protective gear.
Without training to overcome years of being told to “play nice” it’s hard to actually defend yourself because the victim will not commit to commiting violence even in defense.
Add to that even the most realistic training takes a year or two to actually be applied effectively (ie calmly and focused).
Note that NWO, STFU is a binding contract.
The Impact/Model Mugging classes sound interesting.
Do you simulate, or have you considered, Model Boyfriend Flipping Out?
I’m not sure a class can be quite as good a drill for that situation–it’s awfully emotional and individual–but it’s one that happens more often than muggings.
Holly: One of the drills is the, “stranger approach”.
A guy comes up, starts to initiate a conversation. He is actually planning some sort of attack.
I saw a student go, “Oh look, I see my uncle,” at which point she clubbed him with her purse and took off running.
The problem isn’t so much that one needs to model specific behaviors, but that one needs to get past the initial idea that violence is to be avoided at all costs. Once the idea that one can be violent is accepted; and one has some experience of how it actually feels to be that adrenal, and then focus it, dealing with the question of need in the real world is a lot easier.
From a pedagogic standpoint, the “boyfriend flipping out” is borderline counterproductive, as lots of people don’t want to think they might choose someone who is likely to go apeshit on them.
So a generic sort of apeshit is presented.
malcontent: I am not (most emphatically not) saying martial arts classes aren’t effective. What I am saying is there is a lot (an awful lot) which goes into actually using violence. Most of us, as cynickal points out, are socialised away from it. There are some techniques I can’t bring myself to perform… no matter how effective they are.
No way, that’s just not something I can bear the thought of having done.
The dojo is a place where some decorum rules. Even in MMA, and the like, it’s not all-in; if it was people would die.
Combat (and defense against violent rape is combat, IMO) is, essentially, all in. Because it’s not a war zone, you stop when the attacker is no longer actively trying to hurt you.
If you can do that, it’s self defense. If you can’t, it moves to assult/battery, etc.
I don’t think anyone would advocate “ordering” women to fight back. But we’re being disingenuous if we didn’t mention that punching a rapist in the face or kicking him in the balls might, well, get you killed. It also might scare him off. Or it might not change the situation at all. Those are the facts, I know feminists prefer PC coddling, but normal people don’t. The call is yours to make.
For me, martial arts have been effective in one way. They’ve taught me to be more physically assertive. I’ve never punched anyone in a real life situation, but I’ve gotten a hell of a lot more confident about resisting gropers and grabbers and other men who put their hands on me for no good reason. I’m still 99% likely to lose any fight we get in, but they do get the message that I’m not going to be an acquiescent victim. So far, every stranger who has grabbed me or groped me has stopped when I resisted. That may just be dumb luck, but I’ll take it. In karate, I’ve always been taught to do my utmost to avoid the fight in the first place. To run away, even.
I’m not trying to come off as overconfident here. I’m aware that most men are stronger than me and meaner than me. One of the issues I’ve had with other women in the dojo is that when they are starting out, they are extremely hesitant to put force into their movements. It makes them ineffective training partners, but we all seem to get over that hesitance after a while. I don’t think the postures and punches are much protection alone; it’s more the familiarity with physical conflict. It brings down some of those barriers women sometimes have about defending themselves.
MRAL makes a really good point — there’s no one best response to an attack. Having training is great, but sometimes it’s not enough or could endanger someone more. But actually, MRAL, most victim’s advocates who are feminists frequently make the same point that you made. You actually agree with some feminists! 🙂
And MRAL continues to prove he is a massive douchebag through treating the concept of ‘PC’ seriously.
Can you not fail to be an empathetic human being? At all? Because you didn’t even succeed with MRAs, you just project your own distorted life onto them and assume they’re going through it too.