Tiny Bunny and Small Dog are trying a new look this week, or however long it’s been since the last one of these. It’s a crass attempt to appeal to space aliens.
This time the horrible misogynist quote comes from an anonymous confession on the web site Group Hug , a site devoted to anonymous confessions. In it, a Nice Guy argues that dating is all about “give and take.” Thanks to Denia for posting the link in the comments!
The full quote can be found below the video. (I did some teensy edits to it in the video.)
Mr. Anonymous 174618126 says:
You want a good guy to fall in love with you. Guys want some hot tail. That’s the game. You give and take, we give and take. It’s impossible for two people to even co-exist happily without this give and take process, let alone have a good relationship. So every time you tell me “Uh? I’m more than just a piece of ass, I’m—-” I don’t even hear the rest. I’m well aware you’re not just a piece of ass, you cunt. If I thought that, I wouldn’t talk to you and try to get your consent; I’d just take you. But to give the famous line “I’m more than just a piece of ass” is pretty much the same as saying you’re not interested in even entertaining the idea of us sleeping together. And that means you’re not worth my time or any man’s time.
I’m being fair. Women like you don’t want a man, you want a slave. Someone you can command to bark, sniff, and roll over. Something you can play fetch with. It would be the same thing if I came over to your house, forced you to give me head, and left. I don’t want to be a slave and you don’t want to be my bitch. So why is it so difficult to meet me half way?
I’m so sick of this shit. So very very sick. If you’re not interested in me then don’t fucking talk to me.
Mr. Anonymous 174618126, I feel safe in saying that no one who has read what you just wrote will ever want to talk to you.
Oh, Qwert! “Whilst.” “Quite mad.” Have a biscuit. You’re funny.
Since you have trouble understanding or remembering your own words, let’s do a retrospective, shall we?
Here’s what Qwert said.
You wanted to know, if you said the above on a website that mocked racism, would it be fair for people to call you a racist based on that quote?
I believe that the parallel you are trying to draw here is that you said something like
on this site, and people called you a misogynist.
I’m wondering, dear boy, if you think that your parallel between black men (in the context of racism) and men (in the context of misogyny) is flawed in any way. Do you? Or do you think that men bear the brunt of society’s misogyny in the same way that black men are harmed by society’s racism?
In other words, are men the primary victims of misogyny?
Oh, Qwert! “Whilst.” “Quite mad.” Have a biscuit. You’re funny.
he really is the best, isnt he?
@ Pecunium
“When you say that someone who is saying such a thing has reasons for it, even if they are twisted, and we need to look at those; to understand him, that’s supporting him.”
No it’s fucking not. It’s trying to solve a problem. Mockery is not a solution to anything; it is your very sad way of entertaining yourself.
“And you are giving them cover to do that.”
More bullshit and lies.
Pecunium I’m done trying to reason with you. You are full of shit.
Yes.
And Janice or Zoot. Anyone else in the Electric Mayhem, basically.
qwert: No it’s fucking not. It’s trying to solve a problem. Mockery is not a solution to anything; it is your very sad way of entertaining yourself.
What is the problem you are trying to solve?
In what way does saying the people perpetrating it have “their reasons” for it advance the solution?
I think the problem is misogyny.
I think that making being a misogynist completely unacceptable is the solution. Mockery is a tool in that fight.
So is reason, argument, and facts. But saying “oh, the poor men have reasons for hating women, we have to keep that in mind, and not make fun of them”, is letting them get away with it.
Which … repeat along with me, supporting misogyny.
Qwert – I’m under the impression that you, yourself, are a MGTOW.
Am I wrong?
If I am, I’m sorry, and I actually agree that analyzing hatred does not necessarily constitute justifying it.
But if I’m not wrong–if you are MGTOW–then you are clearly a misogynist, as it is impossible to see the genders as equals and still think “going your own way” as a gender is anything other than absurd.
@ Holly Pervocracy
I am a MGHOW, I’ve already explained in an earlier discussion exactly what I mean when I say this. Because you might think that all MGTOW are misogynists doesn’t make me one when I claim to be a MGHOW.
I don’t believe men and women are equal per se. Here’s what I mean: I don’t think that all men are equal to each other, and I don’t think that all women are equal to each other. I don’t think that all men are equal to all women. I also think that there will never be a point at which everyone is equal, I don’t think it is actually possible to achieve this. You can try and call me a misogynist for holding this belief but I think it is incorrect to do so. If this makes me a misogynist, then it also makes me a misandrist. I don’t think it is possible to be both at the same time. Is it? Misanthrope would be more accurate, but I don’t think I’m a misanthrope either because I don’t hate all people. In fact, I don’t actually hate any single person. Not even one.
My GMOW is not about avoiding women, blaming women for anything, or thinking all women to be the same. It is about living my life the way I see fit etc. etc.
“I actually agree that analyzing hatred does not necessarily constitute justifying it.”
Thank you, finally, someone who actually understands and agrees with what I’ve been saying all along.
I understand and agree with your hypothetical in isolation.
I don’t agree with the idea that someone can be “going their own way” as a gender (and it is gendered; even if you deny the misogyny in every other MGTOW, you’re not a “person going their own way”) and not have any fucked-up beliefs about gender.
Oooh! Goofy hypothetical question!
Maybe you only call yourself a man GHOW because you happen to be a man and its a totally ungendered idea based on independence and self-determination and stuff.
In that case, can I be a “person going their own way”? Is that an option for me? You know of anyone who’s doing that? Any forums for our type?
@ Holly Pervocracy
The reason I’m a MGHOW and not a WGHOW is because I’m a man. If I was a woman then I’d consider myself a WGHOW. If you think it fucked up that I identify as a man then that’s your business. I could easily refer to myself as a PGTOW (person going their own way) but I don’t see calling myself a man anything to be ashamed of, or it carrying any meaning beyond the fact that I’m a man.
In this case I have nothing but respect for your personal philosophy, but perhaps you should start calling it something else, because it doesn’t resemble anything I’ve heard from anyone else calling themselves a MGTOW.
Usually they’re pretty clear that what they’re separating from is women, and usually they mean that in a pretty bad way.
@ Holly Pervocracy
“In this case I have nothing but respect for your personal philosophy,”
Thank you, as I’ve said all along I’m not a misogynist, much to the disbelief of most people here. I understand that I could think of a name other than “MGHOW” to use, and that would probably help to avoid false accusations from being made against me (e.g. the one Pecunium has made, and persists in trying to prove) but I really like the name. I believe it describes exactly what my beliefs are and how I choose to live my life, so I’m keeping it.
This is who I am, not some angry woman hater.
Well, I believe that socialism would be an appropriate solution to some of the problems we face as a nation, but I don’t call myself a National Socialist…
just sayin
/godwin
But no, seriously, google “MGTOW” and see how many of the people you find aren’t using it in the “men going their own way from women sense.”
This isn’t a matter of one dude taken out of context thirty years ago.
@ Holly Pervocracy
“men going their own way from women sense.”
I believe that it’s a lot more complicated that that. For me, personally, I’m much more concerned with the way in which my government seems intent on fucking me over. And the many other undesirables in society as I see them, politicians, lawyers etc. etc.
For example: When I say that I won’t ever get married, it’s easy to say: “look he doesn’t trust women” or “he thinks all women are the same” but these people would be missing the point. What I’m trying to do by not getting married is to minimise the involvement of government in my personal life. I don’t believe that the state has any business messing about in my private affairs. You might think otherwise. I also want to protect my assets, not even necessarily from my partner, but most certainly from the lawyers and judges who would profit from the end of my relationship.
This is not an approach unique to me, many other MGTOW believe this also. Others, of course, hate women.
Yeah… all of this ignores the point that you directly defend outright, actual misogyny. I could buy your “Some of just are paranoid anti-government loons!” foot shuffling if you didn’t actually try to defend folks like DKM, or the OP, or other misogynists. As it is, now you just look dishonest and unwilling to defend your principles, such as they are.
@ Rutee
Another bullshitter!
“if you didn’t actually try to defend folks like DKM, or the OP, or other misogynists.”
I don’t even know who DKM is, how can I be defending him (I presume DKM is a man)? Nor have I defended the OP or other misogynists.
If you can’t understand what I’m saying then try asking Holly Pervocracy, she does actually understand how I’m not defending these people. Maybe she can explain it better than I can.
Please, go away with your nonsense.
@ Holly Pervocracy
“Well, I believe that socialism would be an appropriate solution to some of the problems we face as a nation, but I don’t call myself a National Socialist…”
Please, correct me if I’m wrong here:
Someone who believes is socialism is called a socialist not a National Socialist. A National Socialist, or Nazi, is in fact a fascist and not actually a socialist.
Qwert – That’s the joke, yes.
But if you happen to be a nice non-Nazi person who wants to apply socialism on a national level, you’d be a lot better off finding a new name for your movement or be prepared to do a lot of explaining.
If you come into a discussion simply announcing that you’re a National Socialist, don’t be surprised or offended when people assume you have anti-semitic leanings.
The “MGTOW” name is likewise pretty thoroughly poisoned for non-misogynists who happen to be libertarians or individualists or whatever.
@ Holly Pervocracy
Ah, I understand what you meant now. That’s a fair point.
qwert: Please, go away with your nonsense.
1: Not your blog, not your call.
2: This is a place for mocking misogyny. I realise you don’t want to admit that what you are doing is supporting misogynists, but it is.
2a as such it’s open to mockery. You may not think so, but you have been gently handled.
@ Pecunium
Yawn, are you still talking? Wake me up when you finish.
Oh.. the piercing cut.
protip, if you want to affect disdain, the way to do it is total silence.
qwert:
Whom are you going your own way from? How are they preventing you from doing that?
Since you’re not a misogynist, the answers to those questions aren’t, respectively, “women” and “by not being subservient,” right? You’re a libertarian (small-l). That’s somewhat beyond the scope of Manboobz, I would think.
In which case I, like Holly, wonder why you choose to use a term in common use for a philosophy you don’t stand for, resulting in long and angry conversations in which you have to repeatedly insist you don’t mean that.
In other words, given the choice between using a term for yourself that misogynists use for themselves and protesting you’re not a misogynist, and using a different term, why would you take the first option? For that matter, if your intent is to e independent, why give the appearance of attaching yourself to a movement at all? And why act all surprised when you associate yourself with a misogynistic movement and people think you’re a misogynist?
Also, it’s not merely possible to be both a misogynist and a misandrist at the same time, it’s almost inevitable.
qwert, you telling someone to go away from here is rich. I thought you were leaving?
As far as marriage, I don’t really see how the state is interfering in my day-to-day married life. You guys always have the bleakest views of marriage, ever hear of self-fulfilling prophecies?