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The inhabitants of Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit seem to have developed a sudden crush on the authoritarian Chinese government. Why? Well, it seems that the lovable tyrants have decided to crack down on evil golddigger bitches. According to an article in The Telegraph, linked to in the subreddit,

In a bid to temper the rising expectations of Chinese women, China’s Supreme Court has now ruled that from now on, the person who buys the family home, or the parents who advance them the money, will get to keep it after divorce.

“Hopefully this will help educate younger people, especially younger women, to be more independent, and to think of marriage in the right way rather than worshipping money so much,” said Hu Jiachu, a lawyer in Hunan province.

The ruling should also help relieve some of the burden on young Chinese men, many of whom fret about the difficulty of buying even a small apartment.

Never mind that the lopsided demographics in China today — where young men greatly outnumber young women, making it harder for young men to find wives  — are not the result of excess feminism, but the result of a toxic mixture of cultural misogyny and the authoritarian regime’s “one child” program. As William Saletan explains the logic in Slate:

Girls are culturally and economically devalued; the government uses powerful financial levers to prevent you from having another child; therefore, to make sure you can have a boy, you abort the girl you’re carrying.

The result? 16 million “missing girls” in China. Ironically, the skewed ratio of men to women gives young women considerable leverage in chosing whom to marry – and that’s what the Men’s Rightser’s seem to see as the real injustice here.

As Evil Pundit wrote, evidently speaking for many (given the numerous upvotes he got):

Wow. I’ve always disliked the authoritarian Chinese government, but for once, it’s done something good.

I may need to reconsider my attitude.

IncrediblyFatMan added:

China wants to become the next superpower and world leader. They aren’t going to do it by allowing the kinds of social decay that rot away at the competing nations.

Revorob joked:

If they brought that in over here, most women in Australia would be living on the street.

“Or,” Fondueguy quipped in response, “they could learn to work.”

At the moment, all the comments in the thread praising the Chinese government for this move (and there are many more)  have net upvotes; the only comment in the negative? One suggesting that the Telegraph isn’t exactly a reliable source.

Speaking of which, here’s a more balanced look at the issue on China.org.cn that examines some of the consequences of the new ruling for Chinese women.

Let’s look at some of those. According to one Beijing lawyer quoted in the piece:

“[H]ousewives, especially those in the rural areas who have no job and are responsible for taking care of their families, will be affected most by this new change,” she said. “If their husbands want a divorce, they are likely to be kicked out of the house with nothing.”

Luo Huilan, a professor of women’s studies at China Women’s University in Beijing, agreed.

In rural areas, she said, men have the final say in family matters. All essential family assets, such as home, car and bank deposits, are registered in the men’s names, and women fill the roles of only wife, mother and farmworker.

“Their labor, though substantial, hardly gets recognition. Without a good education, they have to rely heavily on their husbands,” Luo said. “In case of divorce, a woman is driven out of her husband’s life, home and family, and finds herself an alien even in her parents’ home. No wonder the new interpretation of the Marriage Law has aroused concern among women.”

And no wonder it’s drawn cheers on the Men’s Rights subreddit.

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Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Hrm it’s actually 3 minutes ahead.. so we’re way ahead… xD

14 minutes xD

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

@katz i can’t wait for that part of the NWOrld history xD

Sharculese
13 years ago

Um, the oldest profession seems to be missing…

he said seamstress

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I’m predicting a “you women won’t admit XYZ” and then a list of things he’s generally said before as fact, then he leaves for the night or laughs at us or something soon xD

katz
13 years ago

sharculese: XD

captainbathrobe
captainbathrobe
13 years ago

Oppression is not being allowed to have sex with 15 year-olds girls. I mean, duh.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
13 years ago

And it’s also not being allowed to tell rape jokes.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Oppression is Ami showing up and your posting time going from 3-4 minutes to 23 minutes xD

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Sharculese: The dollar was pegged to gold and from the 1830’s to 1918 the average price per troy ounce was 18.93. So from 1833 to 1918 the dollar stayed at the same value give or take a few dimes.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P3quEkimnPs/TdBkDSiujFI/AAAAAAAADR8/miD5yrNJkRY/s1600/Gold_1833_1999.gif
http://www.nma.org/pdf/gold/his_gold_prices.pdf

In that time frame lots of important events happened. Wars, slavery, new technology, cars, etc…and guess what?! The dollar was still pegged to gold at 18.93 a troy ounce. If that isn’t stability, then I don’t know what is!

Gold has been used for countless things through out the course of history besides as money. Jewelery being the big one.

Globalization has just caused a larger demand for gold. More people + roughly the same amount of gold = higher gold prices. Let’s not forget China’s massive population. If the Chinese start buying gold…you will see that price skyrocket.

Whenever you are buying something…you are bartering. You are just using paper money instead of livestock, hay, wheat, gold, silver or anything else of value.

In the end, time makes fools of us all. You can rail at me for being bullish on gold all you want. But time will tell. I could make money or lose it. Who truly knows? People buy gold when they lose faith in the paper currency. The only way for gold to go lower is for people to start believing the US dollar will retain its value. Frankly, I don’t see that happening in the short term and possibly the long term.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

26 now…

xD

captainbathrobe
captainbathrobe
13 years ago

Ami, are you, like, Kryptonite, or something?

Sharculese
13 years ago

right, i forgot, gold can never fail, it can only be failed

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
13 years ago

*holds up bacon for Captain Bathrobe* Here boy! Here Boy! Want a BBBLT? Bacon Bacon Bacon, Little Bacon and Too much Bacon?

KathleenB
KathleenB
13 years ago

the women elite were educated as well where the peasant men weren’t

Bullshit. Women were not allowed to attend most universities until… somewhere in the early 19th century, IIRC, and it did depend on the institution. Most universities didn’t offer women degrees until the early 20th century. Women in science have constantly been ridiculed, kept from publishing, or have had their research stolen outright.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmy_Noether

Every single one of these amazing women had to fight to be allowed to learn, teach or publish in their chosen field. Franklin and Curie made discoveries that have directly impacted every life on Earth, despite all of this.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
13 years ago

Oppression is not being allowed to have sex with 15 year-olds girls. I mean, duh.

I fooled around with a 15-year-old girl once. Of course, I was a 16-year-old girl at the time… and neither of us were all it’s cracked up to be, I suspect. So am I immune from oppression now? 😀

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
13 years ago

Actually I think I was most appalled at the lack of understanding of why TARP was necessary-even though I think it was poorly handled, I do think it was necessary after Bush acted true to his ideological view of the world.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

40 minutes…

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

*whistles*

So…. do ppl think he’ll be back and do his big long speech about how stupid us women are before he leaves for the night, or has he run off screaming? xD

KathleenB
KathleenB
13 years ago

Okay, in my rush to post about women scientists, I didn’t quite get the quoting of nwo’s screed right. Or rather, I didn’t use a quote that actually refers to what I was talking about. Apologies for any confusion, and returning you to your regularly scheduled programming…

katz
13 years ago

In the end, time makes fools of us all.

I don’t think time is going to be necessary in your case.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Fourty Eight….

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

We’re now at an hour+ xD

kristinmh
kristinmh
13 years ago

Marriage basically domesticates men like you domesticate a house pet.

Oh, stay free, my fine, undomesticated male. Please stay free as long as you possibly can. And please tell that girlfriend you enjoy spending time with that you have no intention of being domesticated or sharing housing/insurance costs with her, ever, and if she ever finds herself in some kind of financial difficulty it’s probably her own fault. Then maybe she can move on and find someone who’s not a total asshole.

Seriously, you say you’re 29? I’m 30. What is wrong with you?

katz
13 years ago

In all fairness, he might have gone to bed.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I know XD

That’s what I was assuming 😀

“oh crap! Ami! That’s it I’m gone >_>”

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