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Won’t someone think of the poor rape-joke tellers?

This text-as-image comment, posted to Reddit, has 468 net upvotes the last I checked. (Here’s the original post it’s responding to.)

Truly, the most heart-wrenching thing about rape is that those courageous souls who make jokes about it are sometimes made to feel a little bad about it on the internet.

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hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Goddamn, J_b is giving me deja vu of another poster. You guys really need to get more original with your butt-hurt.

Johnny_B
Johnny_B
9 years ago

Heterosexual white dudes no longer get to decide what’s funny, and this bothers MRAs. That is what I claimed.

So they don’t have all the power anymore? Well then I guess they should no longer be acceptable targets for ridicule, either?

KathleenB – A house is private. This is more like walking into a public space where a clique of friends are having a smug intellectual masturbation session, you disagree with them and they all try to shout you down, failing that they tell you to go away. If you just want another echo chamber, why not create a private forum? There you can agree with each other all day in peace and air out all your lofty opinions without fear of having them questioned or challenged. I won’t try to get in, I promise.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

“Don’t try to alter the range of humour simply because it doesn’t suit you.”

I’m ok then! I want to frown instead of laugh at rape jokes, and make other’s feel bad about telling rape jokes, in an attempt to in some small way, make rape less acceptable in our culture. So it’s not just to suit me – phew!*

*Seriously, way to depoliticise and personalise the whole issue :I

Johnny_B
Johnny_B
9 years ago

Oh, and let me address this too while we’re at it:

Some of your friends bring in some people you don’t like, who are rude, call you names, maybe make shit up about you.

Can you show me one instance where I initiated something like that, as opposed to responding in kind to one of you?

NF4ever
NF4ever
9 years ago

“Well then I guess they should no longer be acceptable targets for ridicule, either”

Violently deluded, hate-mongering bigots will always be acceptable target for ridicule, no matter what their privilege status is.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

“smug intellectual masturbation session, you disagree with them and they all try to shout you down, failing that they tell you to go away.”

Just as an aside, I get pretty cranky when people interrupt one of my masturbation sessions, and my usual response is to tell the intruder to go away…

Johnny_B
Johnny_B
9 years ago

Violently deluded, hate-mongering bigots will always be acceptable target for ridicule, no matter what their privilege status is.

Which is what you see white, heterosexual men as being. Makes sense now.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Johnny: It was an example, nitwit. That’s why it was phrased in the hypothetical. What the hell do you expect on a blog whose tagline involves mocking misogyny? Cake and sympathy when you get all butthurt because the womyns don’t respect your manly right to do whatever the fuck you want?

Not my blog, not my rules, but all I’m saying is that coming into a feminist space and bitching about how you can’t make rape jokes isn’t going to get you named Commentor of the Year.

katz
9 years ago

A house is private.

OK, so you’re like that homeless guy who was standing on the street outside the cafe where I was eating on Wednesday and yelling “Fucking Jews! Go back to Israel!” when the owner tried to make him leave.

But forget metaphors. You show up here and act like you have the right to be heard and responded to in a way that satisfies you, while simultaneously ignoring anyone you decide you don’t like. You don’t. You can post here if you like and we can call you a jackoff if we like. In fact, I think I’ll do so now. You’re a jackoff.

Can you show me one instance where I initiated something like that, as opposed to responding in kind to one of you?

Ah, the time-honored “You started it!” defense.

NF4ever
NF4ever
9 years ago

“Which is what you see white, heterosexual men as being.”

Nope. It’s what I see MRAs as, in the main. With few exceptions.

Men in general, not so much.

Kave
Kave
9 years ago

FIrst if feminist had no humor then man boobz would not exist. Obviously mra’s have no sense of humor because the vast amount of moderate mra’s that come to this site to post can’t make fun of their extremist compatriots.

A couple of days ago I watched for five minutes a show called my strange addiction. This weeks addiction was a woman who was addicted to her late husbands ashes, she took them everywhere with her. I turned if off after she stated she also eats them and is afraid she will run out (and they showed her doing it…ick).

So I’m at work with two colleagues. I say, “I just saw the worst thing I’ve ever seen on t.v” and then remembered that one of them had just lost their spouse. Should I have continued to tell him what I had seen on t.v or change the subject?

MertvayaRuka
MertvayaRuka
9 years ago

Oh this is rich. On a thread about rape jokes, we have a troll whining about someone being insufficiently civil in the discussion.

Your concerns have been duly noted. Please feel free to go fuck yourself while you’re waiting for one of our trained staff to get back to you.

xtra
9 years ago

Apparently Johnny b is unaware that most television writers are white men.

And what happened to knowing your audience? Who would most of Chis Rock’s auidence be?

Notice the naming of BET, Lifetime, and Oxygen, Are there not many other channels and shows that cater to the white male demographic? I suppose discrimination is white men not being portrayed in the best light all the damn time and anything that might be of interest to someone that’s not a white male existing.

Oh, and hand up.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

xtra: I don’t think Bobbit jokes are okay either. :/ Let’s not joke about bad shit that actually happens to people…

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
9 years ago

Hand up!

Sorry to be late; I was out all day.

“I suppose discrimination is white men not being portrayed in the best light all the damn time and anything that might be of interest to someone that’s not a white male existing.”

Yeah, pretty much.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Okay, these feminist jokes are killing me*. The only one I already knew was the “lightbulb/that’s not funny!” one but I’m adding these to my repertoire asap. 😀

As for rape jokes, yeah, sometimes I think they are funny too. Ditto dead baby jokes, race jokes, sexist jokes, whatever. But like a million people have said already, it’s all about context and audience and the target of the humor — not to mention who’s telling the joke. So while my college friends (who I’ve known for ages) and I might giggle over some very inappropriate stuff, I wouldn’t expect an equally cheerful reaction from the public at large because the entire public and I are not total besties. Fooling yourself about that is just dumb as hell.

*as a feminist with alive-privilege I really shouldn’t use this metaphor, though. Sorry, zombie! D:

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

So I’m at work with two colleagues. I say, “I just saw the worst thing I’ve ever seen on t.v” and then remembered that one of them had just lost their spouse. Should I have continued to tell him what I had seen on t.v or change the subject?

Should’ve gone for it, and followed that shit up with a joke about how heaven doesn’t really exist and everyone dies alone. Anything less would be betraying the principles of free speech.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

@ kave: Well, you could have covered your gaffe and started talking about Dance Moms or Toddlers and Tiaras, which are, I understand, the absolute epitome of Bad TV.*

* should give a quick disclaimer and say I don’t watch either of these shows, and only know about them through Jezebel. They could be awesome and life-affirming, and Jez is just wrong.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
9 years ago

Some rape jokes are funny, some are not.

Funny rape joke: the Onion fake news story about how corporate polluters (who are often described as “raping the environment in non-fake news stories) claimed that the environment was totally asking for it, with its lush green valleys and flowing, clear streams.

Not-funny rape joke: when Will Ferrell and a couple of other “comedians” in a “Funny or Die” skit (uh-oh, good thing the website’s title isn’t literal) decided to try to mock over-zealous environmentalists by playing the environmentalists as violent thugs. They see a young woman toss aside a drink can on the side of the road, run over to her, lecture her about littering, then drag her behind a dumpster and rape her. They don’t show the rape, but it’s clearly implied. Not funny.

Can anyone tell me the crucial difference between these two humorous devices?

Anyone?

Beuller?

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Can anyone tell me the crucial difference between these two humorous devices?

In one joke the victim is a living feeling being that deserves respect and autonomy, but in the other joke the victim’s just a woman, so it’s funny.

…Did I get it right?

ozymandias42
9 years ago

The difference is whether the joke is against the rapist, or against the rape survivor.

amandajane5
9 years ago

I’ma go my own way with Rutee also. Johnny can go fuck himself sideways with a tobasco covered porcupine.

katz
9 years ago

The difference is that you agree with one but not the other and you’re just here to circle-jerk with people who agree with you, duh.

/johnnyb

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Johnny can go fuck himself sideways with a tobasco covered porcupine.

There’s a… vivid mental picture.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Poor porcupine. 🙁

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

…On the other hand, all my questions about what Mag has up her ass (from the MRAhorns thread) have been answered, so yay? O_o

Rutee
Rutee
9 years ago

“Rutee – I don’t know if you’re an angsty teenager who thinks it’s ‘cool’ to swear all the time, or just a headcase with Tourette’s syndrome, but I won’t waste my time on somebody who can’t even be bothered to employ basic civility. Consider yourself permanently ignored.”
I’m someone who doesn’t contain her anger at stupid people. You’re defending rape jokes; what the hell makes you think you’re civil? Consider yourself a troll.

Rutee
Rutee
9 years ago

“So they don’t have all the power anymore? Well then I guess they should no longer be acceptable targets for ridicule, either?”
Missed this; you’re a twit, aren’t you?

Have you ever listened to a Chris Rock routine? He had an amazing one that clearly lays out the difference between this shit, actually. Able white cis hetero dudes of status still hold the amazingly disproportionate amount of power; they advantage those like them subconsciously and consciously, as can be witnessed by literally dozens of studies. It leaks into societal narratives, and is generally internalized by *everyone*, not just the dudes with power.

Onto the Chris Rock Routine;t he difference between black people, who generally have nothing, mocking white people, who hold the majority of the power, is that at the end of the day, that white dude still has a shot at getting a loan. He has a better chance, all else being equal, of being hired over a black dude, a woman, etc. White people already have this shit; if they mock black dudes, that’s just being mean. It might be funny to them, but it’s a bully’s humor, not a jester’s.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Rutee – I don’t know if you’re an angsty teenager who thinks it’s ‘cool’ to swear all the time, or just a headcase with Tourette’s syndrome, but I won’t waste my time on somebody who can’t even be bothered to employ basic civility. Consider yourself permanently ignored.

Jeezus keerhist, Rutee, you need to fucking calm the fuck down and stop being such a fucking goddamn foul-mouthed sumbitch! The hell kinda fucking angsty shitty teenage headcase can’t be a little more fucking civil on the internet fucking crap shit balls THE GODDAMN BATMAN!

…I may have lost the train of my critique somewhere in there. Carry on.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

KEEE-RIST ON THE CONCORDE

amandajane5
9 years ago

Sorry, I meant to note that I was actually suggesting a porcupine carcass, not a living animal. That would be cruel.

Bruce McGlory
9 years ago

“Damn, I guess I dreamed all those shows and commercials where middle-class white dudes are the (sole) butt of all the jokes.”

OMG, you’re such a fucking moron. WHO WRITES THE SITCOMS, DIPSHIT?

How does someone so stupid manage to dress himself?

Oh wait – silly me. Mommy does it for him.

Pecunium
9 years ago

(warning, emulation of MRAs follows in the latter portion)

Johhny B: Funny… the OP said, You may not find it funny, but trying to deprive anyone who may find it funny is a dick move and you are a self-righteous asshole

That’s telling people who don’t like the joke (for whatever reason) that they need to just shut the fuck up and let the, “funny” happen.

This is in a forum that’s got it’s jock-straps in a twist because Sharon Osborne made a joke they not only found unfunny, but people they disapprove are alleged to have laughed at it.

When it gets brought up, the feminists (accused of being all over that shit) say, “That some fucked up shit.”

Which is promptly ignored, and the self-same feminsts are told, to their face, that they 1: approve, and 2: never said anything to the contrary.

But Rape Jokes, those are special. Can’t be so humorless as to say, “That joke offended me, maybe it would be nice if people didn’t make fun of rape.”

Nope, it’s not like castration, which happens so often, and to real people, unlike the rare crime of rape, which only happens to women (and slutty women, who were actually asking for it, and probably secretly like it, because they are too shrewish and ugly to get sex from anyone else. I mean, shit, they ought to thank rapist, who were doing them a favor [and taking one for the team, so the uppity little skanks can run around and bitch about how evil men are]).

You want to make rape jokes, or fag jokes, or DV jokes, go ahead. I’m not going to stop you. But I might call you a douchenozzle, and make fun of you.

If you make a living telling jokes, I’ll tell people you tell bad jokes, and why. If they want to go see you, they can.

But telling me to shut up, because I don’t like your jokes… that’s whiny shit.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Basic civility isn’t the same as treating every person with kid gloves.

Hell, basic civility includes not taking offense when someone says they dislike ‘x’ type of joke.

Basic civility would be treating people as if they were capable of dealing with frank, forthright, and; yes sometimes, foul-mouthed, expressions of one’s personal opinions.

It’s not as if one needs to be scatological, nor even crude to make a cutting remark. Please feel free to continue sharing your honest opinions. I, for one, will not think any less of you.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

It sounds like Johnny_b can’t tell the difference between jokes and bullying.

Which says a lot more about him than “humorless feminists.”

FurryCatHerder
FurryCatHerder
9 years ago

The logical end-point of complaining about rape jokes is to outlaw all jokes unless the teller is a black lesbian paraplegic deaf blind mute morbidly obese anorexic rape survivor Jewish victim of Bernie Madoff with Tourettes Syndrome.

If you can find her, I bet she’s got some pretty funny jokes to tell.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

You’re kind of a moron, aren’t you? No, because a huge number of very funny jokes don’t require you to mock people who are downtrodden. Sarah Silverman’s entire act is constructed on mocking the powerful and dismantling -isms, for instance.

That sort of whinging just tells me you’re an unfunny bully, not that you’re concerned for comedy.

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
9 years ago

Slippery slope = logical fallacy.

We are allowed to draw lines. We just like to argue about where the line should be.

Also, I don’t think anyone wants to outlaw rape jokes – we just don’t think rape joke tellers deserve sympathy because people call them out on being insensitive assholes.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

I’m just gonna put this here.

I’ve been really shaken up about this since yesterday. A guy at an improv comedy festival told a (presumably) true story about how he raped a woman. And the audience’s reaction was … mostly … to laugh about it.

It makes my stomach turn. Watch the video. Rape jokes play a HUGE role in supporting an atmosphere that allowed a rapist to treat his actual rape of a real person as a fucking joke.