I found this illustrating a typically incoherent rant about “The Aphrodisiac of the False Rape Claim” on What Men Are Saying About Women, the blog of the infamous MRA double period. Whoever made it needs to stop making Demotivational posters because he doesn’t understand how these posters are supposed to work. Or how to communicate a coherent message to other human beings using language.
I’m talking about cases like this, where the charges are quite specific and often with devastating consequences:
Man sentenced to life in prison after committing murder because of false rape allegation
Couple booked for abetting suicide of Dalit youth
Woman accused of fabricating story of being raped by two black men
To rid him of alcoholism, family accuses man of raping daughter
Woman makes false assault claim because man wanted her to leave the apartment, gets caught on camera
Man kills himself after woman accuses him of rape – more
And these are mostly just from the first page of the False Rape society… real articles about real events, no speculations or subjective opinion.
I would argue that the reverse is true as well – somebody who is convicted will be forever tainted as a ‘rapist’ even if the accusation was false or the conviction made in error.
Can’t speak for other MRA blogs, but from what I’ve seen of the FRS, they keep the tone of their articles pretty civil and clear of hyperbole. If you have a specific example in mind where they claim that “rape doesn’t happen” or “all accusations are false”, I’d like to see it.
Anyway, I hope we can agree that this is a problem, and while perhaps not as widespread as actual rape, it still deserves better than mere sarcastic jibes and dismissal.
That’s not the worst Demotivational poster I’ve ever seen, but it is pretty bad. Remember when those things were funny?
I know many fine, decent men and women who are not idiots. Feminist women, on the other hand, choose idiots all the time. We know this because they tell us. “Men are pigs”, “men are bastards”, “men are stupid”, “the oppressive patriarchy”, and so on. It’s pure projection. What feminist women are doing is describing their preference for men. These are the types of men that they notice, the types of men that fit in with their values and their definitions of the things that matter, the types of men to whom they give air-time. The type of man that does not fit in with their preferred profile, on the other hand, is invisible to them. So if you want to identify idiots in a crowd, just unleash a feminist woman… she’ll sniff them out like a pig sniffing out truffles.
I have nothing to do with any “international marriage” market, and never indicated anything of the sort. You are projecting.
Here’s a free tip, gratis… if a woman does not choose an idiot to begin with, then the question of having to fight back, provoking him, him drugging her drinks, whatever, need never even arise. Careful choice of the company one keeps eliminates 90% of your objections.
So, you’re pretty much saying that women should never leave the house, because otherwise they can’t control the company they keep? As for the idiots, you can’t always tell. My godson’s father didn’t become an idiot until his son was diagnosed with autism. (or maybe he was always an idiot, but concealed it well…) So yes, one never knows if the person next to them at the bar or staring across the subway car is an idiot. But guess what? It’s not my responsibility to prevent idiots from doing idiotic things – or to prevent rapists from raping. That’s not how it works. If you don’t want men to rape, teach them to control their sexual urges, not to look at women as objects to be played with, and that women do not exist in a perpetual state of consent.
Also, chuckeedee, a minor point of grammar – free and gratis mean the same thing. Unless you meant to use the repetition to drive your point home, I suppose.
These are the types of men that they notice, the types of men that fit in with their values and their definitions of the things that matter, the types of men to whom they give air-time.
And yet here I am, married to a quiet, unassuming guy who loves our cats. And I’m a feminist. While one person doesn’t make a study, I’m still gonna call BS. I know lots of women who aren’t attracted to assholes. They’re just also smart enough to recognize MRAs as assholes, too. I also know women who are attracted to assholes. I don’t understand the dynamic, i really don’t.
Well good for you. But your anecdote does not respond to the generic “all men are bastards” that defines the feminist raison d’etre.
“I got a question for the commenters here. Do you believe that the false rape accusation cases cited in the media and on sites like False Rape Society are bogus, or are they simply not worth paying attention to?”
If the media, as an aggregate, is saying it, it’s often supported by serious evidence that it is the case, as it was in Duke University. Beyond that, there’s little reason to pay attention; the only sites that make real attempts to claim it elsewise are manosphere-centric, and I’ve yet to see them bring one to light that wasn’t already by the rest of the media; instead they assume all acquittals are false; this is beyond stupid for anyone with a cursory understanding of how rape trials frequently work, because step one is that the jury is typically primed to acquit regardless of the facts of the case unless the victim is either a madonna, the defendant is black, or there is strong evidence of a weapon.
Beyond that, there’s a number of extremely horrid precedents set in the courts that further limit the ability to usefully bring someone to court even if they did rape someone. Acquaintance rape, for instance, even if reported, is rarely prosecuted, because despite being an actual form of rape, and there being nothing in the statutory law that distinguishes it from regular rape, legal precedent makes it extremely difficult, if not impossible in most jurisdictions, to actually bring to trial. Bear in mind, as some morons are wont to believe, that I am not referring to the burden of proof in this; that’s acceptable. I mean that there are a number of rulings that have more or less said “Even if the defendant’s story were true, without qualification, that wouldn’t be rape”, because the law has a fucked up view on consent in sexual situations. So an acquittal doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, it just means they weren’t convicted (For what could be any of a number of bullshit reasons). Even the Innocence Project doesn’t say the rape didn’t happen, and they do actual work to get people out of prison based on new evidence; the Innocence Project only says the person behind bars didn’t do it, which is rarely the same thing in the rapes that can actually get someone to go to prison (Because they more or less had to be stranger rapes to begin with, so you’re really only saying ‘that guy didn’t do it’).
“So the Manboobz response to this is basically… “hurr, it’s dumb and stupid and wrong! yeah!”
Masters of humor you are…”
This is stupidity incarnate. There’s not much to add, just point and laugh.
“All men are bastards” (pigs, idiots, etc.) is something I associate with mediocre stand-up comedians of both sexes. None of the feminists I read express anything like that.
We don’t think all men are bastards, Chuckie. Just you!
And possibly NWOaf, but he’s so cute it’s hard to stay mad at him.
Also, there’s a fascinating strain of essentialism in MRA “thought”. Chuck thinks women should just avoid dating “idiots”. What is an idiot? To Chuck it seems to be an intrinsic quailty, like red hair or A- blood type, something you should be able to tell if you do your due diligence.
Personally I think an idiot is “someone who behaves idiotically” – i.e., a judgement of actions rather than intrinsic properties, and a word that can describe most people at one time or another.
But I’m just a woman. What do I know?
This is stupidity incarnate. There’s not much to add, just point and laugh.
That’s pretty much the appropriate response to all MRAs. Hence, this website.
It’s funny, Kristin. In MRAland, women are the ones to blame for choosing Bad Boy Spousal who subsequently abuse them. But men who marry women who turn into vindictive harpies when it comes time for divorce are never to blame for poor relationship choices.
Of course, we could all just acknowledge that, while everyone is responsible for exercising good judgement, choosing good relationship partners can damned difficult.
Spousal –> Alpha. Fucking auto correct.
@Holly
I don’t have to deny the existance or malevolence of false accusations — and I don’t — to note that, anecdotally, I’ve only ever seen it mentioned in feminist spaces in the aid of casting doubt on someone’s story of having been raped or to minimize the malevolence of rape itself.
And yeah, I suspect a lot of false rape accusations compiled by misogynists are cases in which there’s a fair amount of evidence but room for reasonable doubt, or perhaps in which the accuser, and not infrequently the law, regards it as rape, but the accused does not (or claims not to).
We know this because they tell us. “Men are pigs”, “men are bastards”, “men are stupid”, “the oppressive patriarchy”, and so on.
People say that we say that. But how many times have you actually heard it FROM A FEMINIST?
(The exception is “the patriarchy,” because you’re misinterpreting that word; it means “the system that grants unequal power to men” not “men themselves.”)
As for “idiots,” I know way too many people who’ve been sexually assaulted by Ivy League grads and spit-polished take-him-home-to-mama types. Not every potential rapist is a big dumb goon or whatever you’re picturing.
And yeah, I suspect a lot of false rape accusations compiled by misogynists are cases in which there’s a fair amount of evidence but room for reasonable doubt, or perhaps in which the accuser, and not infrequently the law, regards it as rape, but the accused does not (or claims not to).
Are you saying that only misogynists talk about false rape accusations? Or does it make you a misogynist if you breach the subject?
I actually had another lengthy-ish comment further up with some examples but it’s stuck in moderation… I wonder why.
I have an entire blog about how Men Are People Too. Am I going to get kicked out of feminism now? o.O
“If this question of accountability needs to be proven to someone, then it is clear that they will never understand. You either see it or you don’t.”
And if you can’t see these wonderful new clothes the Emperor just got, it only proves that I’m smarter than you.
Yeah, Dracula, that’s Chuckee’s M.O.: anyone who doesn’t agree with him is just too stupid to appreciate his brilliance–not, you know, because he’s made an indefensible argument.
I actually had another lengthy-ish comment further up with some examples but it’s stuck in moderation… I wonder why.
Too many links, probably.
In my experience, feminists are actually less likely to take the line that all men are pigs than are other women. I think it has to do with having actually thought about gender relations, rather than just reacting to negative experiences with individual men.
Bo-ring. Here’s a real demotivator.
http://www.wisemouseboy.com/gallery2/d/3811-2/longcat_widedog_framed.jpg
Do you understand how English sentences work?
Of course there are false accusations of rape. In some cases, it’s done deliberately to wreck another person’s life or it’s a callous indifference to the effect it has on the wrong accused. In many cases, it’s mistaken identity, where a rape did occur, the victim gave the police a description and was asked to look at mug shots, and then a suspect was falsely identified and convicted. (Given how poorly most people are as eye witnesses, I don’t think that should come as a surprise.)
There are cases, too, where people have been falsely accused of making a false charge. One example, a woman in Washington state was fined $500 for making a false charge of rape; later, the police arrested a man for rape and found pictures of her assault on his camera. Link below if you want to take a look.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_17836082?source=rss
When I googled this, a post on The False Rape Society website came up. The post itself is fair IMHO, but of the twelve comments on the post, I’d say half of them are still critical of the victim.