I found this illustrating a typically incoherent rant about “The Aphrodisiac of the False Rape Claim” on What Men Are Saying About Women, the blog of the infamous MRA double period. Whoever made it needs to stop making Demotivational posters because he doesn’t understand how these posters are supposed to work. Or how to communicate a coherent message to other human beings using language.
VoiP, I think I love you.
And then what happened?
Ned, they’re not actually thinking or reasoning out their arguments, is the problem. Their anger and hate is just erupting out of them in every direction in the form of logorrhea.
Intellectually, I understand that. But when I see it, it’s incomprehensible.
You could also quote a fake conversation to concrete the theme of your story:
Thomas: I was the best husband and father in the whole history of the world
Polish waitress: western women are stupid, you are the best man in the world, you should marry me
Thomas: I even though eastern European women are more attractive than fugly, cat loving feminizi western womyn, I will never marry again until the family court is abolished etc
Seriously, NWO, I would really like to get in touch with your dealer. Whatever you’re taking seems to have removed you from common reality entirely.
The Simpsons is the source of all our wisdom.
I think you’ve hit it on the head, VoiP. NWO is the Grandpa Simpson of Manboobz, and he deserves to be taken just as seriously.
If they weren’t a bunch of moralizing asshats with no sense of humor beyond, “Rape! Hurr, hurr, hurr! Womyn! Hurr, hurr, hurr!” MRAs would find a spiritual home among Erisians, to whom long screeds that make little sense are sacred. But we’re also really not into, you know, limiting each other – there’s even a whole church for people who aren’t geniuses! And even if making sense isn’t required, a sense of humor, especially about yourself, is.
“Emotional diarrhea” and “intellectual constipation” are both pretty good descriptions of this article. The fact that whoever wrote that in the blog description applied those descriptors to feminism is a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Contra magdelyn, the basic message is not that women aren’t held accountable for their actions in the same way that men are, it’s that women are inherently untrustworthy. As the author writes, “it is impossible for a women [sic] not to lie”. This, according to the author, is a “principal” by which feminism should have been rejected. Of course, maybe I’m just cherrypicking the one vaguely intelligible sentence out of all the ones that make no sense. What a depressing mess of incoherence and hatred. How does the person who wrote this even breathe without seizing up and suffocating?
Also, thuglover. What.
“Intellectually, I understand that. But when I see it, it’s incomprehensible.”
I know. My mind is seriously blown by the depths of depravity I’m seeing from the MRAs of the world. The rad-est of radfems has nothing on your average MRA.
I think about my life, and how it hasn’t been 100% peachy. I’ve had trouble with women, experienced some traumatic incidents involving nasty women, but I don’t have murderous rage toward women as a group as a result. Ditto for men; fewer incidents overall, but considerably less pleasant. Today, most of my friends are men. I just don’t understand what would have to happen to push you that far over the edge into blind hate.
NWO sounds like a garden variety paranoid schizophrenic and/or really good Poe. I’m no clinician, but I’d guess that about 50% of the MRAs I’ve encountered (IRL or on the interweb) have some variety of schizophrenia, often of the paranoid subtype. Women are the “persecutors” in their delusions, and could easily be replaced by something else; commies, or capitalists, for instance. What’s strange is that most schizophrenics aren’t violent, but the ones who tend toward violence seem drawn to MRA rhetoric like flies to shit. Probably because it justifies their delusions? Maybe they were abused by sociopathic women, or went through a traumatic divorce, and were genetically susceptible to schizophrenia => perfect storm? A lot of them talk about divorce to the point where I wonder if they had a psychotic break during a divorce…
I think you’ve hit it on the head, VoiP. NWO is the Grandpa Simpson of Manboobz, and he deserves to be taken just as seriously.
I’ve hit the nail right on the button!
“Whatever the quality of the post, it conveys the message that women are not held accountable for their actions to the extent than guys are. That’s the message, whether you accept it or not, that’s another quesiton.”
In the sense that men are held less accountable, that’s true. Women and men aren’t held to the same extent.
Short, succinct and to the point. That’s exactly what the message is. What is it that some people still don’t seem to get?
If this question of accountability needs to be proven to someone, then it is clear that they will never understand. You either see it or you don’t. After all, even before feminism, we have millennia of chivalry to draw our examples from. I am reminded of Bill Clinton’s famous comment “It depends on what the meaning of the word is is.”
Deny, deny, deny. It’s what feminists do best.
Actually, just because he was sweet to you, how can the rest of us know he’s not a thug? I wonder if he’d go thump the shit out of someone at your behest, just because that someone said mean words to you? In my language, that’s a thug, of the white-knighting variety. In fact, what you seem to be describing fits the typical thug profile – “thuggish to others but sweet and ever-protective to me.”
Apart from which, I tend to take issue with the idea that women always choose thugs. I’m more inclined to think that women choose whatever idiot comes within their orbit at the right time (timing is everything – catch ’em on the rebound). Obnoxious morons subscribing to the numbers game tend to hit on women more, and so an added perk is that a slob so encountered is more likely to be an exciting, gina-tingling thug, but this does not always hold true. Brain-dead degenerates, dull providers and an assortment of plodders also seem to get equal billing. It’s an orbit thing, and is contingent on the type of company that men and women prefer to keep. Free tip to those women drawn to proto-thuggish types… be more discerning with the company you keep, because you risk choosing one that might turn out to be not so sweet or pleasant when you burn his toast.
He says, she says. I say you’re wrong. Bite me. Here’s a free tip, gratis… if a woman does not choose an idiot to begin with, then the question of having to fight back, provoking him, him drugging her drinks, whatever, need never even arise. Careful choice of the company one keeps eliminates 90% of your objections. Sure, there is never ever, under any circumstance, any excuse for rape… but here in this discussion the emphasis is on the company that we choose to keep, and this is entirely under your control.
(As for that 10% – anecdotally, I’ve never met a woman who was assaulted just by walking out at night, so I regard this claim as bogus. But hey, I’m feeling generous today, or rather, too lazy to substantiate with references, so allow me to give you the benefit of the doubt).
Now… what were we saying about holding women accountable for the dopey choices they make?
My thug can make his own toast, thank you!
@Chuckeedee
lolbro? What’s with all this denying? I thought you said that is what feminists do. Geez, what a hypocrite.
Now… what were we saying about holding women accountable for the dopey choices they make?
Given that you’re implying that women are dopey, why should they be? You can’t both say we’re incompetent and that we should be held accountable.
Let’s fix this:
“Here’s a free tip, gratis… if a [MAN] does not choose an idiot to begin with, then the question of having to [get a prenup], [fight for custody], [resist a false rape accusation], whatever, need never even arise.”
When I think of thugs, I think of Republicans.
Precisely. MzDarwin seems to get it. I do not like what Anglosphere women have become, and so I opt out, and confine my interests to Europe and Asia. And life is good. It is my choice, and I alone am responsible for it. I tend to get into disagreements with many mras, who often adopt an “I’m a victim too” attitude, because of this.
So the Manboobz response to this is basically… “hurr, it’s dumb and stupid and wrong! yeah!”
Masters of humor you are…
I will say, though, that women are sometimes held less responsible for their actions, but that’s actually a result of patriarchal and chivalrous attitudes which view women as less intelligent/capable/mature than men.
I got a question for the commenters here. Do you believe that the false rape accusation cases cited in the media and on sites like False Rape Society are bogus, or are they simply not worth paying attention to?
I do not like what Anglosphere women have become, and so I opt out, and confine my interests to Europe and Asia.
Then clearly you haven’t met some of the European and Asian women I have.
I suppose if you further confine your interests to European and Asian women in the “international marriage” market, you get a little more of what you’re looking for, or of what at least looks like what you’re looking for, but the fact that someone is willing to put up with you to get a better life is… kind of a low bar for True Love.
Actually, just because he was sweet to you, how can the rest of us know he’s not a thug? I wonder if he’d go thump the shit out of someone at your behest, just because that someone said mean words to you?
No. Probably not.
He did once serve as “security” for a friend while her abusive ex moved his stuff out of the apartment, but:
A) Good for him
and
B) He didn’t lay a finger on the guy
if a woman does not choose an idiot to begin with, then the question of having to fight back, provoking him, him drugging her drinks, whatever, need never even arise.
And how do you know someone’s an idiot? If he tries to rape you or drug your drink!
Since I’m Madame Fucking Cleo, that’s easy enough.
I got a question for the commenters here. Do you believe that the false rape accusation cases cited in the media and on sites like False Rape Society are bogus, or are they simply not worth paying attention to?
A mix. A lot of them are cases that aren’t “a woman legally accuses a specific man of rape.” I’m looking at the False Rape Society blog now (and ew, by the way, because they seem to never acknowledge that rape can happen) and most of the cases they’re reporting on don’t involve an accusation of a specific individual. And in some of the ones that do, there’s no reason to believe he didn’t do it other than “he says he didn’t.”
I also think it’s not that common. A lot of the statistics on false rape accusations count as “false” every allegation that doesn’t result in a conviction–which is hardly proof it didn’t happen.
And finally, there’s a part of me that’s really horrified and disgusted by false rape accusations, but nervous about admitting that because MRAs have so fucking often used them as a bugaboo and as a weapon to attack real rape survivors. I think falsely accusing someone of rape is a terrible thing to do and I know it does happen–but it doesn’t happen every fucking time a woman chips her nail polish, and acknowledging the first without implying the second seems to be outside the subtlety-appreciation abilities of most MRAs.