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Demotivated

Um, what?

I found this illustrating a typically incoherent rant about “The Aphrodisiac of the False Rape Claim” on What Men Are Saying About Women, the blog of the infamous MRA double period. Whoever made it needs to stop making Demotivational posters because he doesn’t understand how these posters are supposed to work. Or how to communicate a coherent message to other human beings using language.

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Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Sarcasm can be such a crappy way of conveying concepts.

Is this person trying to say “it’s always her fault” (obviously not true) or “it’s sometimes her fault” (no one’s actually debating that)?

I get the feeling they’re trying to imply “always” while leaving open plausible deniability that they only meant “sometimes.” And because they’re talking in Sarcastese, they don’t have to clarify! They can just let off a little “grr, women” and walk off without having to think it through. They probably don’t fully know themselves which one they meant.

redlocker
10 years ago

Thanks to that demotivational picture, I’m afraid to click the link. That’s enough butchering of basic human language for me.

jumbofish
jumbofish
10 years ago

wtf

jumbofish
jumbofish
10 years ago

I don’t even

filetofswedishfish
10 years ago

But if we just went and did a quick regender on that? it would be an accurate description of the MRAs/MGTOW

Nahida
10 years ago

In fact, no, it’s never her fault she’s raped.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

I’ve never had a thuglover. Seriously, is this a thing?

Spearhafoc
10 years ago

I don’t think it’s about rape. Or is it? I have no idea what it’s about, actually.

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

I’ve never had a thuglover. Seriously, is this a thing?

It’s code for (*stagewhisper*) BLACK PEOPLE

filetofswedishfish
10 years ago

I just went to the OP, and uh. That whole first “paragraph” is just one sentence. One, big, vague run on. The whole post is three paragraphs, and maybe 4 or 5 sentences total. Like. What was he even talking about?

Spearhafoc
10 years ago

When I think of thugs, I think of British Football hooligans. Rioting and burning cars because your team lost/won/whatever really turns chicks on, apparently.

magdelynswallows
10 years ago

Whatever the quality of the post, it conveys the message that women are not held accountable for their actions to the extent than guys are. That’s the message, whether you accept it or not, that’s another quesiton.

cynickal
cynickal
10 years ago

@Spear, no that’s Canadians when the Canucks loose in the 7th

Spearhafoc
10 years ago

Football hooligans are funnier than deranged Hockey fans. Maybe because I’ve never met a Football hooligan. Also, the word “hooligan” is inherently funny.

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Whatever the quality of the post, it conveys the message that cesium has 39 observed isotopes. That’s the message, whether you accept that or not, that’s another question.

(Also: I had a lover who was kind of thuggish. But he was Irish and from a wealthy suburban family. [And he treated me fine; he was “thuggish” in his mannerisms and dress, not in being actually violent.] Anyone want to take bets on whether he’d count as a “thuglover”?)

chocominties
chocominties
10 years ago

“Hooligan” reminds me of when I was 14 and my mom wouldn’t let me and my brother walk to the ice cream parlor on a Thursday evening (6pm or so) because, “the yahoos are out.” Pronounced “yay-hooze.”

Because … women! (Sorry. Trying to be on-topic.)

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Whatever the quality of the post, it conveys the message that women are not held accountable for their actions to the extent than guys are.

Do you have any proof of this at all? That’s the thing about your posts: you come in here, snipe out some arch thing about how you’re Really Concerned about the Poor Young Men who aren’t taught to socialize, who are feared and loathed and held accountable for their actions, the dears…and then when we ask you to back that shit up with evidence or even reasoned speculation, you’re out of there. I have yet to see you addressing the Asperger’s topic that you brought up down in the sociopathy thread. This is getting really old.

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

Women are so held accountable for their actions: ‘Why didn’t you fight back?’ (or even better, ‘Why did you fight back? It only provoked him!’) ‘Why were you drinking’ ‘Why were you out walking at night?’ ‘Why did you dance with/accept a drink from/go out with him?’ ‘Why did you let him drug your drink?’ ‘Why were you wearing a short skirt and tank top?’ ‘Why were you outside, being all female?’ Women are constantly held accountable for the fact that some men can’t control their erections.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

The article seems pretty clear, it basically states women lie about being raped. Women have loads of reasons to lie about it, from jealousy, revenge and excuses for cheating /pregnancy to attention getting and on and on.

Years ago in the old history books Philidelphia was known as the gayest city in the world while George Washington and the gang were in suffering in Valley Forge. (Gay at the time meant festive). Being born in Philly I was of couse interested in the story as anyone would be about their home town. The reason it was so festive is because the British would hold parties every night and many of the local women would attend. No doubt there was plenty of fraternization going on making for a festive occasion. Obviously quite a few women attending the parties got pregnant and of course cried rape upon return of George and his army. According to the old history books, quite often those women weren’t believed in the slightest as word got around about which women curried favor with the enemy.

False cries of rape are as old as the hills. During the Valley Forge days the women of Philidelphia had chioces to make. They could stay in Philly and keep the home fires burning as it were. They could brave the fridged cold and bring goods/supplies to the troops, or they could accept gifts from the enemy, fraternize and party every night. For the most part the women falsely claiming rape back then weren’t believed, and with good reason they weren’t believed. People were pretty savvy back then. Yet these facts were removed from the history books for portraying women in a bad light, which show you who is calling the shots; who has the power so to speak to rewrite history. The not really funny part is, if these facts were still taught I have no doubt false claims would be a scarce as feminists claim.

Now if we fast forward to the present, the same women who falsely accused a man might actually end up as a policymaker blocking anonymity, or a judge trying rape cases, or prosecuting lawyer, or any number of professions that unfairly use the violence of the State against men. Before the great indoctrination, a woman lying about rape was ostracized from the community, today, she might remain anonymous, or she could even benfit after having a man unjustly incarcerated or even killed.

nedbeaumontjr
10 years ago

First, thuglover? I want a glove to cover my thu and all four fings.

Second, is it my imagination or do these guys say that women are children/animals/less-evolved and then claim and complain that men are held to a higher standard? Do they not understand self-contradiction?

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

“People were pretty savvy then.”

Only you would think a 200-plus-year-old mindset would be savvy and believe that grade-A word salad in the OP made any sense, NWO.

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

NWOSlave:

One trick is to tell ’em stories that don’t go anywhere, like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ’em. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” you’d say. Now, where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..

I leave these: a box of mint-condition 1918 liberty-head silver dollars. You see, back in those days, rich men would ride around in Zeppelins, dropping coins on people, and one day I seen J. D. Rockefeller flying by. So I run out of the house with a big washtub and in 1957 I saw him turn turn the Secretary of Agriculture into the Secretary of the Interior. It was hell on their wives, but it sure brought down corn prices. Built a house out of corn. It was the worst home I ever owed? when it got really hot it smelled like Frito’s.

Anyway, about my washtub…I just used it that morning to wash my turkey, which in those days was known as a “walking bird”. We’d always have walking bird on Thanksgiving with all the trimmings: cranberries, Injun eyes, yams stuffed with gunpowder. Then we’d all watch football, which in those days was called “baseball.”

Spearhafoc
10 years ago

The article seems pretty clear, it basically states women lie about being raped. Women have loads of reasons to lie about it, from jealousy, revenge and excuses for cheating /pregnancy to attention getting and on and on.

NF4ever
NF4ever
10 years ago

“Do they not understand self-contradiction?”

Ned, they’re not actually thinking or reasoning out their arguments, is the problem. Their anger and hate is just erupting out of them in every direction in the form of logorrhea. Their paranoia and narcissism require that they channel most of the most violent eruptions at women, but gays, blacks, and anybody who isn’t them will end up catching whatever’s left over.

It’s hard to penetrate walls of delusion so thick. Sadly, I find watching these guys have public breakdowns (the mask- it’s slipping!) oddly entertaining. I don’t what that says about me… but there’s not much else I can really do, is there? Besides draw attention to them as a sort of boil on society’s ass? Warn people to steer clear of them? Antagonize them because it’s funny how easily roused they are? I’m stumped.

Molly Ren
10 years ago

VoiP, I think I love you.

katz
10 years ago

And then what happened?

nedbeaumontjr
10 years ago

Ned, they’re not actually thinking or reasoning out their arguments, is the problem. Their anger and hate is just erupting out of them in every direction in the form of logorrhea.

Intellectually, I understand that. But when I see it, it’s incomprehensible.

Jill the Spinster
Jill the Spinster
10 years ago

You could also quote a fake conversation to concrete the theme of your story:

Thomas: I was the best husband and father in the whole history of the world
Polish waitress: western women are stupid, you are the best man in the world, you should marry me
Thomas: I even though eastern European women are more attractive than fugly, cat loving feminizi western womyn, I will never marry again until the family court is abolished etc

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

Seriously, NWO, I would really like to get in touch with your dealer. Whatever you’re taking seems to have removed you from common reality entirely.

captainbathrobe
10 years ago

The Simpsons is the source of all our wisdom.

Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

I think you’ve hit it on the head, VoiP. NWO is the Grandpa Simpson of Manboobz, and he deserves to be taken just as seriously.

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

If they weren’t a bunch of moralizing asshats with no sense of humor beyond, “Rape! Hurr, hurr, hurr! Womyn! Hurr, hurr, hurr!” MRAs would find a spiritual home among Erisians, to whom long screeds that make little sense are sacred. But we’re also really not into, you know, limiting each other – there’s even a whole church for people who aren’t geniuses! And even if making sense isn’t required, a sense of humor, especially about yourself, is.

Moewicus
Moewicus
10 years ago

“Emotional diarrhea” and “intellectual constipation” are both pretty good descriptions of this article. The fact that whoever wrote that in the blog description applied those descriptors to feminism is a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Contra magdelyn, the basic message is not that women aren’t held accountable for their actions in the same way that men are, it’s that women are inherently untrustworthy. As the author writes, “it is impossible for a women [sic] not to lie”. This, according to the author, is a “principal” by which feminism should have been rejected. Of course, maybe I’m just cherrypicking the one vaguely intelligible sentence out of all the ones that make no sense. What a depressing mess of incoherence and hatred. How does the person who wrote this even breathe without seizing up and suffocating?

Also, thuglover. What.

NF4ever
NF4ever
10 years ago

“Intellectually, I understand that. But when I see it, it’s incomprehensible.”

I know. My mind is seriously blown by the depths of depravity I’m seeing from the MRAs of the world. The rad-est of radfems has nothing on your average MRA.

I think about my life, and how it hasn’t been 100% peachy. I’ve had trouble with women, experienced some traumatic incidents involving nasty women, but I don’t have murderous rage toward women as a group as a result. Ditto for men; fewer incidents overall, but considerably less pleasant. Today, most of my friends are men. I just don’t understand what would have to happen to push you that far over the edge into blind hate.

NWO sounds like a garden variety paranoid schizophrenic and/or really good Poe. I’m no clinician, but I’d guess that about 50% of the MRAs I’ve encountered (IRL or on the interweb) have some variety of schizophrenia, often of the paranoid subtype. Women are the “persecutors” in their delusions, and could easily be replaced by something else; commies, or capitalists, for instance. What’s strange is that most schizophrenics aren’t violent, but the ones who tend toward violence seem drawn to MRA rhetoric like flies to shit. Probably because it justifies their delusions? Maybe they were abused by sociopathic women, or went through a traumatic divorce, and were genetically susceptible to schizophrenia => perfect storm? A lot of them talk about divorce to the point where I wonder if they had a psychotic break during a divorce…

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

I think you’ve hit it on the head, VoiP. NWO is the Grandpa Simpson of Manboobz, and he deserves to be taken just as seriously.

I’ve hit the nail right on the button!

Rutee
Rutee
10 years ago

“Whatever the quality of the post, it conveys the message that women are not held accountable for their actions to the extent than guys are. That’s the message, whether you accept it or not, that’s another quesiton.”

In the sense that men are held less accountable, that’s true. Women and men aren’t held to the same extent.

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
10 years ago

Whatever the quality of the post, it conveys the message that women are not held accountable for their actions to the extent than guys are. That’s the message, whether you accept it or not, that’s another quesiton.

Short, succinct and to the point. That’s exactly what the message is. What is it that some people still don’t seem to get?

Do you have any proof of this at all?

If this question of accountability needs to be proven to someone, then it is clear that they will never understand. You either see it or you don’t. After all, even before feminism, we have millennia of chivalry to draw our examples from. I am reminded of Bill Clinton’s famous comment “It depends on what the meaning of the word is is.”

In the sense that men are held less accountable

Deny, deny, deny. It’s what feminists do best.

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
10 years ago

(Also: I had a lover who was kind of thuggish. But he was Irish and from a wealthy suburban family. [And he treated me fine; he was “thuggish” in his mannerisms and dress, not in being actually violent.] Anyone want to take bets on whether he’d count as a “thuglover”?)

Actually, just because he was sweet to you, how can the rest of us know he’s not a thug? I wonder if he’d go thump the shit out of someone at your behest, just because that someone said mean words to you? In my language, that’s a thug, of the white-knighting variety. In fact, what you seem to be describing fits the typical thug profile – “thuggish to others but sweet and ever-protective to me.”

Apart from which, I tend to take issue with the idea that women always choose thugs. I’m more inclined to think that women choose whatever idiot comes within their orbit at the right time (timing is everything – catch ’em on the rebound). Obnoxious morons subscribing to the numbers game tend to hit on women more, and so an added perk is that a slob so encountered is more likely to be an exciting, gina-tingling thug, but this does not always hold true. Brain-dead degenerates, dull providers and an assortment of plodders also seem to get equal billing. It’s an orbit thing, and is contingent on the type of company that men and women prefer to keep. Free tip to those women drawn to proto-thuggish types… be more discerning with the company you keep, because you risk choosing one that might turn out to be not so sweet or pleasant when you burn his toast.

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
10 years ago

Women are so held accountable for their actions: ‘Why didn’t you fight back?’ (or even better, ‘Why did you fight back? It only provoked him!’) ‘Why were you drinking’ ‘Why were you out walking at night?’ ‘Why did you dance with/accept a drink from/go out with him?’ ‘Why did you let him drug your drink?’ ‘Why were you wearing a short skirt and tank top?’ ‘Why were you outside, being all female?’ Women are constantly held accountable for the fact that some men can’t control their erections.

He says, she says. I say you’re wrong. Bite me. Here’s a free tip, gratis… if a woman does not choose an idiot to begin with, then the question of having to fight back, provoking him, him drugging her drinks, whatever, need never even arise. Careful choice of the company one keeps eliminates 90% of your objections. Sure, there is never ever, under any circumstance, any excuse for rape… but here in this discussion the emphasis is on the company that we choose to keep, and this is entirely under your control.

(As for that 10% – anecdotally, I’ve never met a woman who was assaulted just by walking out at night, so I regard this claim as bogus. But hey, I’m feeling generous today, or rather, too lazy to substantiate with references, so allow me to give you the benefit of the doubt).

Now… what were we saying about holding women accountable for the dopey choices they make?

Molly Ren
10 years ago

My thug can make his own toast, thank you!

Flib
Flib
10 years ago

@Chuckeedee

lolbro? What’s with all this denying? I thought you said that is what feminists do. Geez, what a hypocrite.

katz
10 years ago

Now… what were we saying about holding women accountable for the dopey choices they make?

Given that you’re implying that women are dopey, why should they be? You can’t both say we’re incompetent and that we should be held accountable.

MizDarwin
MizDarwin
10 years ago

Let’s fix this:

“Here’s a free tip, gratis… if a [MAN] does not choose an idiot to begin with, then the question of having to [get a prenup], [fight for custody], [resist a false rape accusation], whatever, need never even arise.”

Wisteria
Wisteria
10 years ago

When I think of thugs, I think of Republicans.

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
10 years ago

“Here’s a free tip, gratis… if a [MAN] does not choose an idiot to begin with, then the question of having to [get a prenup], [fight for custody], [resist a false rape accusation], whatever, need never even arise.”

Precisely. MzDarwin seems to get it. I do not like what Anglosphere women have become, and so I opt out, and confine my interests to Europe and Asia. And life is good. It is my choice, and I alone am responsible for it. I tend to get into disagreements with many mras, who often adopt an “I’m a victim too” attitude, because of this.

Johnny_B
Johnny_B
10 years ago

So the Manboobz response to this is basically… “hurr, it’s dumb and stupid and wrong! yeah!”

Masters of humor you are…

I will say, though, that women are sometimes held less responsible for their actions, but that’s actually a result of patriarchal and chivalrous attitudes which view women as less intelligent/capable/mature than men.

Johnny_B
Johnny_B
10 years ago

I got a question for the commenters here. Do you believe that the false rape accusation cases cited in the media and on sites like False Rape Society are bogus, or are they simply not worth paying attention to?

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

I do not like what Anglosphere women have become, and so I opt out, and confine my interests to Europe and Asia.
Then clearly you haven’t met some of the European and Asian women I have.

I suppose if you further confine your interests to European and Asian women in the “international marriage” market, you get a little more of what you’re looking for, or of what at least looks like what you’re looking for, but the fact that someone is willing to put up with you to get a better life is… kind of a low bar for True Love.

Actually, just because he was sweet to you, how can the rest of us know he’s not a thug? I wonder if he’d go thump the shit out of someone at your behest, just because that someone said mean words to you?
No. Probably not.

He did once serve as “security” for a friend while her abusive ex moved his stuff out of the apartment, but:
A) Good for him
and
B) He didn’t lay a finger on the guy

if a woman does not choose an idiot to begin with, then the question of having to fight back, provoking him, him drugging her drinks, whatever, need never even arise.
And how do you know someone’s an idiot? If he tries to rape you or drug your drink!

Since I’m Madame Fucking Cleo, that’s easy enough.

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

I got a question for the commenters here. Do you believe that the false rape accusation cases cited in the media and on sites like False Rape Society are bogus, or are they simply not worth paying attention to?

A mix. A lot of them are cases that aren’t “a woman legally accuses a specific man of rape.” I’m looking at the False Rape Society blog now (and ew, by the way, because they seem to never acknowledge that rape can happen) and most of the cases they’re reporting on don’t involve an accusation of a specific individual. And in some of the ones that do, there’s no reason to believe he didn’t do it other than “he says he didn’t.”

I also think it’s not that common. A lot of the statistics on false rape accusations count as “false” every allegation that doesn’t result in a conviction–which is hardly proof it didn’t happen.

And finally, there’s a part of me that’s really horrified and disgusted by false rape accusations, but nervous about admitting that because MRAs have so fucking often used them as a bugaboo and as a weapon to attack real rape survivors. I think falsely accusing someone of rape is a terrible thing to do and I know it does happen–but it doesn’t happen every fucking time a woman chips her nail polish, and acknowledging the first without implying the second seems to be outside the subtlety-appreciation abilities of most MRAs.

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