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Demotivated

Um, what?

I found this illustrating a typically incoherent rant about “The Aphrodisiac of the False Rape Claim” on What Men Are Saying About Women, the blog of the infamous MRA double period. Whoever made it needs to stop making Demotivational posters because he doesn’t understand how these posters are supposed to work. Or how to communicate a coherent message to other human beings using language.

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VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

VoiP, I don’t mind telling you, I’m a bit of a fan. Your Grandpa Simpson post the other day made me do a spit take.

BROFIVE

redlocker
9 years ago

Never heard of Bell Hooks until now…and she talked about child abuse by women? That’s great!

Huh…how long did it take to find an example to counter Chuckeedee? 0.5 seconds on Google? Or is because he lives in an alternate reality?

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

“Sometimes people provide answers to mock them. Sometimes surveys are an intrusion that people just want to piss on, and not take seriously.”

Assuming that all women who take those surveys do that all the time is bonkers, though.

Now I’m just imagining every single woman on Earth with the “I lied!” face: http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/005/882/I%20lied.jpg?1305927805

Because we love pathological lying and mustache-twirling.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Considering that women generally spend quite a bit more time with their children than do men, the increased incidence of child abuse is not surprising. The question is: do women have a higher rate of child abuse as a function of time spent with kids? I don’t know if anyone has ever done a study on that, but it would be very interesting to find out. But simply saying that women are more likely to abuse their children than men, in isolation, is pretty meaningless.

katz
9 years ago

chuck, do you think that it’s only women who lie? Or do you think that all survey data is inherently useless?

ozymandias42
9 years ago

redlocker: bell hooks is a SERIOUSLY cool feminist. She is almost always 100% right on. I recommend Feminism is For Everybody as a good starting work by her, to get a feel for her style, and Feminism From Margin to Center, and of course We Real Cool is very important for everyone who wants to think about race or masculinity or the intersections between them, and she wrote some books on love and teaching that are just BRILLIANT, andandand…

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

“When someone says something like “Out of women I’ve talked to about rape, nearly 100 percent have been raped,” why do you bother? We must remember that, even when telling “sort-of-half-truths”, many women are self-indulgent creatures who love to work themselves into a lather, especially when they are drawing attention to themselves – and if there’s a grain of truth, like some dude looks at her in a rapey kind of way, that becomes rape, and froth for the lathering process.”

Yeah, you’re right, chucky. Rather than the thought out explanation I gave, earlier, what I really meant was: “Hey gang, my observations of reality are based in sort of half truths, at best. Hey, can you help wipe off my drool here? I am a woman, and thus incompetent to do anything myself. Thanks.”

You stupid piece of fuck.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

Come to think of it…if there was no data in a MRA world that is accurate simply because they say so, and that becomes true…wouldn’t that destroy 95% of the worlds inventions that people take for granted, if that?

It would destroy everything.

I’m not going to make any claims here about whether there’s any “really real reality” out there independent from our perceptions of it or whether or not we can actually “prove,” beyond the shadow of a doubt, that one event caused another event, but independently of those issues, like Bee implied right above me, everything we do is based upon an implicit trust in the consistency of phenomena and our ability to receive data about them.

If chuckadee were right, forget polling, half the human race wouldn’t be able to interact with its environment on the most basic level.

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
9 years ago

Just off the top of my head: bell hooks, a radical feminist/womanist, wrote about child abuse by women of boys, most notably in We Real Cool: Black Men and Masculinity. Or does she not count?

Excellent point. Her perspective does indeed count… in proper, rational discourse with a receptive audience. But this is not what feminism is about, and feminists do not provide said receptive audience. Even in this very forum, it seems as though many feminists haven’t even heard of Bell Hooks. Clearly, if it is disadvantageous to feminism, then feminists will ignore it, as they do the topic of child abuse.

It’s not me that disregards what Bell Hooks has to contribute, but feminists.

It’s the same with women abusing women. If it is contrary to the interests of feminism, then feminists will give it the silent treatment. Feminists want to sustain the illusion of hessian-wearing earth-mothers gathered around a campfire singing Kumbaya, and so anything contrary to that illusion gets the cold shoulder. Consider, for example, Phyllis Chesler and her treatise on Woman’s inhumanity to woman.

Feminists will turn on their own should they fall out of line and dare to question the established dogma.

And consider the topic of relational aggression, which is a girl-thing. How many in this forum know what it is? Come now, don’t cheat… before we look it up on google, do we know what it is?

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
9 years ago

chuck, can you tell me what the MRM has done to try to combat child abuse?

David, I mentioned once before that I do not regard myself as an MRA… nor do I belong in any other pigeon that you or anyone else might wish to slot me into (mgtow or otherwise). Having said that, though, can we really expect a collective of people still in the formative stage of trying to establish unity, identity and direction, to directly take on tangential issues such as child abuse? Everyone is taking on the issue of child abuse, if perhaps indirectly, whenever they make a stand for fairness or justice, because the positive seeds that they sow now go on to impact on how we raise our children… what goes around comes around.

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
9 years ago

I wrote an essay some time ago referencing Phyllis Chesler, quite soon after her book came out, and it was then that feminists were having a hard time dealing with it. I haven’t been following the topic since then. So maybe you’re right… I’ve got a day job and confess to not having kept up to date. I’ll see if I can dredge up a sample of the hostile writeups she received back then.

Or maybe it’s the media moreso than feminists… interesting question.

Maybe I’ve missed some of the comments (I have a day job), and with the likes of Nobbynyamutu spouting his/her/its drivel, I tend to gloss over posts that don’t capture my attention in the first sentence or two. But I’ve not seen anyone commenting on how important Bell Hooks was to them. So perhaps you exaggerate a tad.

Hershele Ostropoler
9 years ago

@Chuck

Clearly, if it is disadvantageous to feminism, then feminists will ignore it, as they do the topic of child abuse.

Without addressing the veracity of this, I submit that it’s not unique to feminism. Pretty much any group or movement will deemphasize (or “ignore” if you prefer) what’s disadvantageous to them.

Feminists want to sustain the illusion of hessian-wearing earth-mothers gathered around a campfire singing Kumbaya

I know of no feminist who claims to behave this way.

As for not being an MRA but believing the things MRAs tend to believe … well, that speaks for itself. I suppose it makes sense that MGTOW is by definition not an organized movement, in the same way the Libertarians are by definition not a political party, but I’m not sure how someone can hold MRA beliefs without being an MRA.

Rutee
Rutee
9 years ago

“Feminists want to sustain the illusion of hessian-wearing earth-mothers gathered around a campfire singing Kumbaya”
Okay, first, it’s very unlikely that feminists are wearing the citizens of an 18th century germanic country. Points for weirdness. Second, you’re thinking of hippies.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

“*bell hooks has, and continues to be, a major influence on my own expression and understanding of feminism and womanism. And I’ve been able to recite Gwendolyn Brooks’ poem We Real Cool, since I was eight. Alternative school.”

That was me, yesterday evening, well before you posted your latest batch of science-y sounding nothing. I’m going to all also call bullshit on your claim to being familiar with hooks’ work since most people who’ve read, and admired her writing, know that her name consistently appears with lower case letters.

“Maybe I’ve missed some of the comments (I have a day job), and with the likes of Nobbynyamutu spouting his/her/its drivel…”
Oh chuckeedee. I imagine you’re used to moving in circles where presenting incoherent and illogical arguments using a lot big words to mask the emptiness and inanity of your rhetoric, is met with emphatic praise, right? I’ll bet you get a lot “Nailed it, it bro!” and “QTF!” don’t you? So sad.

So it’s safe to presume that you cannot answer the serious questions I’ve asked in direct response to your “arguments” and that you can provide no evidence that anonymous surveys are inherently unreliable. You also have presented no evidence that women mistake “rapey looks” for sexual assault and have failed to offer anything that supports or substantiates your “frothy lather” theory.

Does it bother you to be so wholly unoriginal? What about the lack of critical thinking skill? Does that stress you out at all?

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

I think I can say with great confidence that this feminist does more to prevent child abuse before lunch on any given day than the likes of Chuckee have done in an entire career of pretentious wankery.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Chuckeedee

“David, I mentioned once before that I do not regard myself as an MRA… nor do I belong in any other pigeon that you or anyone else might wish to slot me into (mgtow or otherwise).”

Wait, have we been putting people into pigeons? Oh, those poor birds… 🙁 Or perhaps you mean “pigeon hole?”

“Having said that, though, can we really expect a collective of people still in the formative stage of trying to establish unity, identity and direction, to directly take on tangential issues such as child abuse? Everyone is taking on the issue of child abuse, if perhaps indirectly, whenever they make a stand for fairness or justice, because the positive seeds that they sow now go on to impact on how we raise our children… what goes around comes around.”

You know, they actually have taken on child abuse. Or rather, defended it. You know, thinking that a split lip is a justified reaction to being licked by your daughter? I’m not sure that fists are the positive seeds you are talking about, but they sure do go around.

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

BTW, there are many, many self-described feminists who work in mental health and social services with children and their parents. The idea that feminists don’t care about child abuse is just laughably ignorant.

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
9 years ago

“*bell hooks has, and continues to be, a major influence on my own expression and understanding of feminism and womanism. And I’ve been able to recite Gwendolyn Brooks’ poem We Real Cool, since I was eight. Alternative school.”

That was me, yesterday evening

No wonder I missed it.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

You had no idea who bell hooks is before yesterday,did you?

Pecunium
9 years ago

NWO: And guess what? Remember how I’ve stated I would risk my life to save a woman from being raped. I now recind that offer to only the women I know. Why the fuck should I risk my safety for someone who might be exactly like the shits that reside here.

Which is what some of us said at the time. You didn’t mean it, and you wouldn’t do it.

Talk, and bluster, lies and folly = NWO.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Maybe I’ve missed some of the comments (I have a day job), and with the likes of Nobbynyamutu spouting his/her/its drivel, I tend to gloss over posts that don’t capture my attention in the first sentence or two. But I’ve not seen anyone commenting on how important Bell Hooks was to them. So perhaps you exaggerate a tad.

While we sit at home eating bon-bons, right?

As to the last bit… So Bell Hooks isn’t important because you don’t see feminists talking about her (except that it was, of course, feminists here who brought her up), but Dworkin, McKinnon, and Solanis are muy importante. They are, so we keep hearing from people like you, so important we don’t have to talk about them.

So…

As per norm with MRAs, feminists are never right, and the MRAs are never wrong.

Pecunium
9 years ago

re hessian, maybe he meant burlap

That, of course, would require a knowledge of textiles, though, which seems unlikely.

Pecunium
9 years ago

My little Chuckeedee (capped because you were so kind as to correct the “error” in bell hooks name) said, No wonder I missed it., because he skips the responses from Nobinyamu, thus showing the attention he pays to people, in general.

Because he has made specific comments to her, and then 1: refused to read the replies, and 2: asserted things which a reading of those responses would have shown to be false.

Ergo, he has no respect for civil debate; in that he cheats (to his credit, perhaps, he admits it).

NF4ever
NF4ever
9 years ago

“Considering that women generally spend quite a bit more time with their children than do men, the increased incidence of child abuse is not surprising.”

Would be interesting to try to calculate the rate of child abuse, with units being “per hour spent with child”. If you did that, would the difference in rates of child abuse between men and women disappear? Has someone already done this? Probably.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Chuckie reminds me of a former friend of mine who was right wing who I once got into a very brief debate over Obama’s lack of transparency in his government.

I said what are you talking about? *cue fifteen websites with all the details he could wish to read or look at*

“That is too much information to go through.”

In other words: Obama was failing because my former friend was too lazy to go through all of the information that was open and freely available online.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

I wonder how this:

From Child Maltreatment 2002 , a document published by the Department of Health and Human Services in the United States, women comprised 58.3% of the perpetrators of child abuse and men comprised 41.7% (Figure 5-1 of the Child Maltreatment Report and accompanying Table 5-1, Age and Sex of Perpetrators ). Most of the abuse of children (Table 5-3 of the Child Maltreatment Report ) was broken down as follows:

” 53.3% of all perpetrators neglected children;
” 11.0% of all perpetrators physically abused children;
” 6.9% of all perpetrators sexually abused children.

Women were more likely to neglect children, while men were more likely to abuse children.
32.6% of child fatalities were perpetrated by the mother acting alone, while 16.6% of child fatalities were perpetrated by the father acting alone (Figure 4-2 of the Child Maltreatment Report, Fatalities by Perpetrator Relationship ).

Can be squared up with this:

It is never clear where these nebulous claims [x% – insert your favorite number – of rapes are not reported] come from. Did they come from anonymous surveys? From ER stats? From a doctor’s reported feeyalings, a hunch maybe? Because a well-credentialed officer working in a police department said so?

And besides, why should we believe anonymous surveys? They are notoriously unreliable for a number of reasons, from how the questions are asked, to the subjective motivations of the respondents.

So Chuckee makes a claim, using reports and statistics to prove that women abuse children more than men, yet reports and surveys can not be trusted because, well… FEMINISM!

redlocker
9 years ago

“Her perspective does indeed count… in proper, rational discourse with a receptive audience. But this is not what feminism is about, and feminists do not provide said receptive audience. Even in this very forum, it seems as though many feminists haven’t even heard of Bell Hooks. Clearly, if it is disadvantageous to feminism, then feminists will ignore it, as they do the topic of child abuse.”

Hey, has anyone seen my goal post? It was just here yesterday…

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Sometimes surveys are an intrusion that people just want to piss on, and not take seriously.

All you have to do is say ‘no thanks’ and any reputable survey company will say, ‘No problem, thanks for your time and have a great day.’ If people are pushing you to participate in market research, hang the fuck up, because good research depends on voluntary cooperation. I did outbound market research for a living, and one of the things I loved about it was that we never had to pressure a respondent. In fact, anyone who did would probably have found their asses turfed out so fast they left skid marks.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

They are notoriously unreliable for a number of reasons, from how the questions are asked, to the subjective motivations of the respondents.

I can’t answer for respondent bias, but I will say that one of the thing my boss was VERY strict about when doing research was neutrality. Our voices had to be as neutral as possible when asking questions, because of how people react – you’d be amazed how much tone of voice can influence a person toward one answer over another. If someone got the number of a friend or relative, they were not allowed to call that number, and for the most part, people who worked in research and marketing were excluded from participation. A good research company will always be careful to keep results as unbiased as they can – it’s what they get paid for, and the research community is small enough that if you tilt research to fit what your client wants, your ass will be blackballed.

katz
9 years ago

Wearing hessian, putting people into pigeons…chuckeedee is quickly becoming my favorite new troll because he’s Captain Malaprop.

He really hits the nail on the button.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Wearing hessian, putting people into pigeons…chuckeedee is quickly becoming my favorite new troll because he’s Captain Malaprop.

How dare you assign him an equal rank to mine! 😛

katz
9 years ago

Sergeant Malaprop?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Lieutenant Malaprop.

Pecunium
9 years ago

katz: Don’t even think of making him an NCO.

How about, ряадавой (Private, in Russian it means, literally, “one who stands in the line”).

Pecunium
9 years ago

Crap… рядавой I accidentally added a letter.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Second Lieutenant

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Private Malaprop?

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

You guys, chuckeedee has a day job. And we shouldn’t, for example, mock him about it with Lockhorn comics:

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/sBagelsan/Dayjob.jpg

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

I like “Private Malaprop” because of that hint of alliteration. 🙂

Amused
Amused
9 years ago

Pecunium: Здорово. Уважаю. (Кстати: рядовой)

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Private Parts? Corporal Punishment?

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Actually, I like Second Lieutenant–callow, arrogant, just out of OCS and thinks he knows everything.

Of course, my rank is Superhero Captain, which is closer to Navy Captain than Army Captain. Sorry Pecunium. 🙂

Pecunium
9 years ago

CB: Superhero Captain is closer to Kentucky Colonel than to Army Captain. Sorry CB.

🙂

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Well, as long as I get to wear the white suit and sport the goatee, then I’m good.

Pecunium
9 years ago

You also get to kick and and make pithy one-liners (drinking of juleps, mint or otherwise is completely optional).

sallystrange
9 years ago

I’ve heard of bell hooks. I’ve been a big fan ever since I discovered her back in 2002. A big influence on my developing feminism as well.

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