Demotivated

I found this illustrating a typically incoherent rant about “The Aphrodisiac of the False Rape Claim” on What Men Are Saying About Women, the blog of the infamous MRA double period. Whoever made it needs to stop making Demotivational posters because he doesn’t understand how these posters are supposed to work. Or how to communicate a coherent message to other human beings using language.

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Pecunium

13 years ago

My little Chuckeedee (capped because you were so kind as to correct the “error” in bell hooks name) said, No wonder I missed it., because he skips the responses from Nobinyamu, thus showing the attention he pays to people, in general.

Because he has made specific comments to her, and then 1: refused to read the replies, and 2: asserted things which a reading of those responses would have shown to be false.

Ergo, he has no respect for civil debate; in that he cheats (to his credit, perhaps, he admits it).

NF4ever

13 years ago

“Considering that women generally spend quite a bit more time with their children than do men, the increased incidence of child abuse is not surprising.”

Would be interesting to try to calculate the rate of child abuse, with units being “per hour spent with child”. If you did that, would the difference in rates of child abuse between men and women disappear? Has someone already done this? Probably.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

13 years ago

Chuckie reminds me of a former friend of mine who was right wing who I once got into a very brief debate over Obama’s lack of transparency in his government.

I said what are you talking about? *cue fifteen websites with all the details he could wish to read or look at*

“That is too much information to go through.”

In other words: Obama was failing because my former friend was too lazy to go through all of the information that was open and freely available online.

cynickal

13 years ago

I wonder how this:

From Child Maltreatment 2002 , a document published by the Department of Health and Human Services in the United States, women comprised 58.3% of the perpetrators of child abuse and men comprised 41.7% (Figure 5-1 of the Child Maltreatment Report and accompanying Table 5-1, Age and Sex of Perpetrators ). Most of the abuse of children (Table 5-3 of the Child Maltreatment Report ) was broken down as follows:

” 53.3% of all perpetrators neglected children;
” 11.0% of all perpetrators physically abused children;
” 6.9% of all perpetrators sexually abused children.

Women were more likely to neglect children, while men were more likely to abuse children.
32.6% of child fatalities were perpetrated by the mother acting alone, while 16.6% of child fatalities were perpetrated by the father acting alone (Figure 4-2 of the Child Maltreatment Report, Fatalities by Perpetrator Relationship ).

Can be squared up with this:

It is never clear where these nebulous claims [x% – insert your favorite number – of rapes are not reported] come from. Did they come from anonymous surveys? From ER stats? From a doctor’s reported feeyalings, a hunch maybe? Because a well-credentialed officer working in a police department said so?

And besides, why should we believe anonymous surveys? They are notoriously unreliable for a number of reasons, from how the questions are asked, to the subjective motivations of the respondents.

So Chuckee makes a claim, using reports and statistics to prove that women abuse children more than men, yet reports and surveys can not be trusted because, well… FEMINISM!

redlocker

13 years ago

“Her perspective does indeed count… in proper, rational discourse with a receptive audience. But this is not what feminism is about, and feminists do not provide said receptive audience. Even in this very forum, it seems as though many feminists haven’t even heard of Bell Hooks. Clearly, if it is disadvantageous to feminism, then feminists will ignore it, as they do the topic of child abuse.”

Hey, has anyone seen my goal post? It was just here yesterday…

KathleenB

13 years ago

Sometimes surveys are an intrusion that people just want to piss on, and not take seriously.

All you have to do is say ‘no thanks’ and any reputable survey company will say, ‘No problem, thanks for your time and have a great day.’ If people are pushing you to participate in market research, hang the fuck up, because good research depends on voluntary cooperation. I did outbound market research for a living, and one of the things I loved about it was that we never had to pressure a respondent. In fact, anyone who did would probably have found their asses turfed out so fast they left skid marks.

KathleenB

13 years ago

They are notoriously unreliable for a number of reasons, from how the questions are asked, to the subjective motivations of the respondents.

I can’t answer for respondent bias, but I will say that one of the thing my boss was VERY strict about when doing research was neutrality. Our voices had to be as neutral as possible when asking questions, because of how people react – you’d be amazed how much tone of voice can influence a person toward one answer over another. If someone got the number of a friend or relative, they were not allowed to call that number, and for the most part, people who worked in research and marketing were excluded from participation. A good research company will always be careful to keep results as unbiased as they can – it’s what they get paid for, and the research community is small enough that if you tilt research to fit what your client wants, your ass will be blackballed.