We’re taking a brief trip outside the manosphere today to take a look at a little posting I found on Jesus-is-savior.com – which, as far as I can tell, is not a joke site — on the evils of women wearing pants.
No need to dilly dally around with jokes; let’s just get right into it:
One of the most controversial subjects in America’s churches today is pants on women; but there is NO controversy if you believe the Bible. 1st Timothy 2:9 clearly instructs women to dress MODESTLY, i.e., of good behavior. A woman’s clothing says MUCH about her character. I guarantee you that women who approve of abortion (i.e., murder) also see no problem with women wearing pants.
Except, one presumes, while they are getting these abortions.
At this point the author, one David J. Stewart, quotes disapprovingly from a song by rapper Chingy, also on the subject of pants, specifically jeans. I won’t bother to quote all of the lyrics; you can get the gist of Chingy’s thesis from this brief excerpt:
Damn Girl
How’d you get all that in
Dem Jeans
Dem Jeans
Here’s the video, if you wish to double-check this transcription.
Stewart continues:
Only a rebellious woman, who deliberately disobeys the Word of God, would wear pants. … Pants on women are adulterous in nature, and cause men to lust and sin. Jesus made this clear in Matthew 5:28, “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” Women who wear pants deliberately cause men to lust, and commit the sin of adultery. …
The average person today scoffs at the idea that Rock-n-Roll, Satanism, and immoral sex go hand-in-hand, but they certainly do. When Rock-n-Roll came to America, so did pants on women become mainstream. Naturally, feminism, witchcraft, abortion, and homosexuality came as well. Rock-n-Roll is straight from the pits of Hell. ALL rock-n-roll women wear pants.
Ah, but it turns out we haven’t really wandered too far from the manosphere after all – and not just because of the mention of feminism. No, what strikes me about Stewart’s argument – aside from the fact that it is completely batshit – is that it is not really very different than the arguments advanced by the critics of the Slutwalks: that the “immodest” dress of women causes men to “lust and sin.”
One of the most common complaints I’ve seen in the writings of the antifeminist slutwalk critics is that women want to “do what they want to, and dress how they want to, without facing any consequences,” as if women who dress in ways these men find arousing have in fact committed some sort of sin that requires punishment from, if not God himself, then from the rapists of the world.
The slutwalk critics invariably insist they’re simply passing along useful advice to women – don’t dress slutty or you’ll get raped – but the talk of “consequences” (and the choice of that word) shows pretty clearly that the real impetus behind the strangely vehement attacks on the slutwalks is the desire to punish women for dressing, and more importantly, doing “what they want.”
Say what you will about the folks behind Jesus-is-Savior.com, but at least their position on the evils of pants is consistent with their overall fundamentalist ideology. The slutwalk critics don’t really have an excuse.
EDITED TO ADD: And, conveniently enough, here’s some douchebag on Reddit making this exact slut-shaming “argument.” Pro-tip: I don’t think “responsibility” means quite what you think it means, dude.
Thanls, ShitRedditSAys, for pointing me to this. And to MFingPterodactyl for the sensible response.
Don’t worry, Spear; I couldn’t do it. Even I find Meller to be a repulsive toad and shudder at the very notion that there is anything in my closet of which he would approve… I couldn’t torch my dresses. I love them so.
Besides, hurricane’s a comin’. I couldn’t get fire started outside with a blow torch and a can of lighter fluid, it’s so humid.
The fabulous, Marlene Deitrich: http://theblack-nouveau.com/2009/07/09/marlene-deitrich/
P- I already defined “behave themselves” quite a few times, above and elsewhere, in terms where the meaning can be apprehended by anybody who knows how to read and write standard English, and is of more or less sound mind!
I even, in at least one Post above, Next to last paragraph, cited by [Voip @ 26August 2011@7:26pm] “invited’ nonwhites as well as Whites to join in the preservation of and perhaps the enhancement of European–especially Anglo Saxon and American civilization. It would even include Jazz, Blues, “Soul food”,Basketball, and Rhythm and Blues–with my blessings!
It would NOT incude: arson, crime, rape, crime, mayhem, crime, driveby shootings, crime, vandalism, crime, armed robbery, crime, looting, crime, and so on…
Learn to read, and then get back to me!
Any questions?
I’m going to just leave this here. This is my new favorite sentence. I want it lasered into the moon.
Alas, Bee, the reason DKM’s mad at Hitler is not because DKM’s a moderate racist, but because he wasn’t white enough. BEHOLD
Nobinayamu,
Feel the love! Those dresses are lovely! Enjoy them!
Focus on what they represent, the beauty, the femininity, the allure, and the grace…
Don’t burn them. Treat yourself to some more. Embrace your “inner lady”. Show some leadership for a change, especially for your sister females. More–and Prettier–dresses, skirts, and gowns!!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
PS–I know that you don’t really mean it when you call me a “repulsive toad”. It is just those hormones talking, isn’t it? DKM
Do you have a citation for that? Make sure you source it properly, though; if the website’s in Comic Sans, it probably doesn’t publish peer-reviewed stuff.
I even, in at least one Post above, Next to last paragraph, cited by [Voip @ 26August 2011@7:26pm] “invited’ nonwhites as well as Whites to join in the preservation of and perhaps the enhancement of European–especially Anglo Saxon and American civilization. It would even include Jazz, Blues, “Soul food”,Basketball, and Rhythm and Blues–with my blessings!
well shit dkm. im really glad youre okay with jazz existing. i hear jazz was really worried about that.
good news jazz. youve got the permission of creepy internet racist. i know that was a huge issue for you. lets uncork some fucking champagne.
Poor dresses. They deserve better than a neo-Nazi jacking off to them.
S-and Voip
And your point is???
basketball is safe from dkms ludicrous internet pogrom! congratulations, sport invented by white people!
Oh my. Please, tell us more.
That would be me. I’m specializing in National Socialism, as pure coincidence would have it. As a matter of fact, I used to grade papers for [name readacted] Lovely man. Anyway, what are the odds? It’s like I walk into a party and someone else is wearing the same dress, only not, because I’m dedicating my life against everything you stand for.
Anyways, unfortunately for you, the standard of evidence that Irving had to meet is not “Did he go to prison for this stuff,” but “Is he correct.” Methheads go to prison, after all, and nobody’s allocating federal funding to fix the epidemic of bugs in their arms. Because—and I recognise you may be new to this—the way people determine correctness is not by asking themselves, “Will this make all my baser impulses feel oh so warm and fuzzy if it were true,” but by comparing what people say to evidence. And in addition to being weird and antisocial even before the Lipstadt trial (but certainly in bringing that trial), his statements are provably false.
Erratum: as he never received a doctorate, Irving’s title is “Mister.”
S-and Voip
And your point is???
That you suck, mostly. Sharculese, is that it?
my point involved him being creepy and delusional.
and the thing where i want to know whether ‘long night of lies’ was a botched pun.
and id still like to know whether sending me to a camp would be reckless antisemitism or acceptable antisemitism
and he sucks, mostly
I even, in at least one Post above, Next to last paragraph, cited by [Voip @ 26August 2011@7:26pm] “invited’ nonwhites as well as Whites to join in the preservation of and perhaps the enhancement of European–especially Anglo Saxon and American civilization. It would even include Jazz, Blues, “Soul food”,Basketball, and Rhythm and Blues–with my blessings!
It would NOT incude: arson, crime, rape, crime, mayhem, crime, driveby shootings, crime, vandalism, crime, armed robbery, crime, looting, crime, and so on…
And don’t get him started on those goldarned kids who need to stop listening to that there “rap” music, pull up their pants, and get the heck off his lawn.
Seriously, it’s like Grandpa Simpson read Mein Kampf.
“Don’t burn them. Treat yourself to some more. Embrace your “inner lady”. Show some leadership for a change, especially for your sister females. More–and Prettier–dresses, skirts, and gowns!!”
You do realize that I earned the money to purchase those garments from working at my high powered career with my over-educated, feminist brain, right? Your approval disgusts me but if it is the price to pay for being exceptionally well dressed then I’ll just have take the “L”. You can’t win all the time.
If you’re interested in adorning your Real Doll, may I suggest that you take its measurements and scour the Vintage section on ebay. Bid carefully; authentic vintage is pricey. Still, it’s your best bet as I doubt the vintage and consignment shops would look favorably upon your bringing in your hunk of a silicone and synthetic hair. And the fittings would be a nightmare.
“PS–I know that you don’t really mean it when you call me a “repulsive toad”. It is just those hormones talking, isn’t it? DKM”
Actually, “repulsive toad” was me being generous. Not a mistake I intend to make again. And, yup, you busted me you Wile E. Coyote, you. I’m a fertile woman. I ovulate and everything. You are really obsessed with the menstrual cycles of every poster who happens to be a woman, aren’t you?
Since you’re so interested, I’m about two weeks away but I’d be happy to send you a used tampon or two for a nominal fee. You know, help you add a little verisimilitude to your lonely, little hovel. You could pretend an actual woman willingly set foot over your threshold.
I even, in at least one Post above, Next to last paragraph, cited by [Voip @ 26August 2011@7:26pm] “invited’ nonwhites as well as Whites to join in the preservation of and perhaps the enhancement of European–especially Anglo Saxon and American civilization. It would even include Jazz, Blues, “Soul food”,Basketball, and Rhythm and Blues–with my blessings
As if we don’t have enough problems with our culture being co-opted and gentrified, Meller wants to have a party where a bunch of storm-fronters try their hands at jazz and making cha-cha. Stick to Lawrence Welk, jello-molds, and ham salad, Meller.
Coltrane and fried okra never did anything to you.
You know, I used to lurk on websites devoted to RealDolls and similar dolls (RealDolls aren’t the only kind, or even the best-made, just the most famous). Most of the people there were really nice (for instance, I witnessed some of them try to help a young woman whose abusive boyfriend broke her collectible cosplay doll). It’s weird, but hardly Internet Nazis.
I’m sure there’s room for overlap.
I’m not trying to bash the nice people who have sex dolls. And, if I’m being really fair, I doubt Meller can afford one.
And it is nice to hear about helpfulness within any online community. That sounded snarky, but it was meant sincerely.
I have bouts of insomnia.
I’m not trying to bash the nice people who have sex dolls. And, if I’m being really fair, I doubt Meller can afford one.
He probably couldn’t. (This link is work safe)
I have bouts of insomnia.
I wake up at two in the afternoon and go to bed at sunrise, as I am a grad student in the summertime.
Voip, I have a friend who loves to read and reread the transcripts to the Lipstadt trial, or at least those involving Irving, because he is such a pompous twit, and because he is so regularly and so thoroughly PWND, yet he is still so pleased with himself and what he clearly sees as his incredible bon mots.
It’s rather a lot like having a discussion with DKM, actually.
Voip, I have a friend who loves to read and reread the transcripts to the Lipstadt trial, or at least those involving Irving, because he is such a pompous twit, and because he is so regularly and so thoroughly PWND…
Hee! He pwned himself, actually–he sued Lipstadt after all, not vice versa. He found a hole and just couldn’t stop digging, a lot like our mutual friend here.
Anyway, for those of you playing at home, the reason I’m on record above as having worked for Professor Redacted is that he’s actually kind of famous, and I don’t want Internet Nazis finding out where I go to school. Cheers!
I’m sure Johnny B will be along any minute now to tell us that VEXATION AND UGLINESS’ racism and sexism are just peachy keen and why can’t we tolerate dissenters anyway?
David the Lesser: Unlike Nobinayamu, I feel 0 shame at your approval of my dresses, because I look as fantastic in them as I do in my pants, but go fuck yourself just the same. And I’m not on my period, you sexist asshat; I don’t tolerate racism, sexism, heterosexism, classism, cissexism, you name it. And you’ve exhibited the bulk of the -isms cheerfully. You are a waste of the energy your mother and father put into raising you. You are a truly shitty person, who deserves their miserable, lonely existence along with the rest of the Stormfronters, the Spearheaders, and every other little White Nationalist and Christian Nationalist. I just wish I could think of a punishment that suited you better than being yourself, since other people have to listen to you. You’ll remain powerless, lonely, and ignorant; Can’t say I draw any pleasure from that consolation prize of you speaking, but it’s good to know just the same.
David Futrelle: I’m amazed at your resilience, I think, for trolls. NWOSlave is probably sick or something, so that seems easy enough to handle, but the rest, so happily tolerated? Amazing.
DKM, skirts and dresses are great. You should try them sometime.
It really saddens me that due to our society’s limiting gender roles, many men will never know the joy of wearing a flowing skirt.
Amnesia: The interesting thing is how many cultures have men wearing skirtlike garments. I like them, actually. They allow for a greater freedom of movement.