We’re taking a brief trip outside the manosphere today to take a look at a little posting I found on Jesus-is-savior.com – which, as far as I can tell, is not a joke site — on the evils of women wearing pants.
No need to dilly dally around with jokes; let’s just get right into it:
One of the most controversial subjects in America’s churches today is pants on women; but there is NO controversy if you believe the Bible. 1st Timothy 2:9 clearly instructs women to dress MODESTLY, i.e., of good behavior. A woman’s clothing says MUCH about her character. I guarantee you that women who approve of abortion (i.e., murder) also see no problem with women wearing pants.
Except, one presumes, while they are getting these abortions.
At this point the author, one David J. Stewart, quotes disapprovingly from a song by rapper Chingy, also on the subject of pants, specifically jeans. I won’t bother to quote all of the lyrics; you can get the gist of Chingy’s thesis from this brief excerpt:
Damn Girl
How’d you get all that in
Dem Jeans
Dem Jeans
Here’s the video, if you wish to double-check this transcription.
Stewart continues:
Only a rebellious woman, who deliberately disobeys the Word of God, would wear pants. … Pants on women are adulterous in nature, and cause men to lust and sin. Jesus made this clear in Matthew 5:28, “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” Women who wear pants deliberately cause men to lust, and commit the sin of adultery. …
The average person today scoffs at the idea that Rock-n-Roll, Satanism, and immoral sex go hand-in-hand, but they certainly do. When Rock-n-Roll came to America, so did pants on women become mainstream. Naturally, feminism, witchcraft, abortion, and homosexuality came as well. Rock-n-Roll is straight from the pits of Hell. ALL rock-n-roll women wear pants.
Ah, but it turns out we haven’t really wandered too far from the manosphere after all – and not just because of the mention of feminism. No, what strikes me about Stewart’s argument – aside from the fact that it is completely batshit – is that it is not really very different than the arguments advanced by the critics of the Slutwalks: that the “immodest” dress of women causes men to “lust and sin.”
One of the most common complaints I’ve seen in the writings of the antifeminist slutwalk critics is that women want to “do what they want to, and dress how they want to, without facing any consequences,” as if women who dress in ways these men find arousing have in fact committed some sort of sin that requires punishment from, if not God himself, then from the rapists of the world.
The slutwalk critics invariably insist they’re simply passing along useful advice to women – don’t dress slutty or you’ll get raped – but the talk of “consequences” (and the choice of that word) shows pretty clearly that the real impetus behind the strangely vehement attacks on the slutwalks is the desire to punish women for dressing, and more importantly, doing “what they want.”
Say what you will about the folks behind Jesus-is-Savior.com, but at least their position on the evils of pants is consistent with their overall fundamentalist ideology. The slutwalk critics don’t really have an excuse.
EDITED TO ADD: And, conveniently enough, here’s some douchebag on Reddit making this exact slut-shaming “argument.” Pro-tip: I don’t think “responsibility” means quite what you think it means, dude.
Thanls, ShitRedditSAys, for pointing me to this. And to MFingPterodactyl for the sensible response.
And that’s why feminism is bad.
I’m still trying to get an answer to “If feminism is communism, them why is it that MRA & MGTOW keep talking about how alpha females need to give it up for all men equally?”
I don’t think communism means what you believe it means.
Back to Spearhead, along with other, REAL websites and blogs,, and real people once again!
Every time somebody brings up actual objections to your revolting screeds, you bail. No wonder Pecunium thinks you’d suck at combat (and he prefers his female comrades to you…bet that just eats you up), it’s ’cause you’re a coward.
Now there’s something I never thought I’d read. Ever. From anyone.
Oh, David K. Meller. The slaveman doesn’t really understand anything! He just … types stuff. I think it’s the difference between having a brain stem and a fully functioning brain.
Nah, he’s just more annoying because he comments more. Stick around, and we’ll find you equally annoying, I swear!
NWO vs. DKM: Let the dumb-off commence!
Five million, six-hundred thousand women in the U.S. who, according to the last census, identify as stay-at-home mothers and you two geniuses spend time on this and other sites, lamenting your inability to find even one.Two failures, congratulating one another or their mutual inability to attract any woman, let alone the type who might be genuinely interested in foregoing a career to keep house and raise children. “Women can go to college and earn money! And I am alone!” Well, you deserve to be.
Even I, hedonistic, over educated, urban feminist that I am, know attractive and educated women who have chosen to be stay at home wives and mothers.Their husbands and children love them, they are fulfilled by their choices, and they would never, ever have anything to do with likes of you two. No woman, whether she was interested in devoting her life to hearth and home, or pursuing a career at the top of the corporate ladder would ever be interested in either of you worthless, narcissistic gas bags. What woman, outside of professionals, would give a second glance to you disgusting, middle-aged jabberwockies?
You aren’t men. You’re children; stomping your feet and pointing fingers because the world left you behind. Incapable of competing, you mourn the loss of what you believe you’re entitled to but never even tried to earn.
Enjoy your old age, gentleman. It is, after all, right around the corner. And take heart in the idea that when you have aged beyond the ability to care for yourselves, and there is no one else to look after you (and there will be no one else) your deaths will be met with, at best, indifference.
The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonour’d, and unsung.
Bed sores and Loneliness!
Nobinayamu
None of you have EVER OBJECTIONS to my “screeds”–revolting or otherwise–all that I have ever seen, and see now, is variations of ‘argumentum ad hominem’. I disagree with feminism, and what feminism has done to women, and therefore I am somehow a bad person.
I supposedly go out of my way to laugh at female victims of cancer–never mind that I have devoted far more time and effort than I should have explaining WHY I wrote that piece, and reiterating that it was exclusively retaliatory in nature, and an attempt to show–by NEGATIVE EXAMPLE–how despicable feminists were–and had been for many years, whether you lazybones were interested in finding about such atrocities committed against men or not!
I want men to be more-or-less masculine (as generally understood) and women to be more-or-less feminine (as generally understood) and I am universally detested as a monster who says that either women become slaves (or something similar) or they should all be killed!!!
I never said anything like it, I never suggested anything like it, and if I was talking about it at all, it was merely restating the obvious fact that even the most tolerant, gentle, and patient men–in our hundreds of millions–will not tolerate the outrages of feminism–and feminists–indefinitely. If people are dissatisfied enough with a defective or corrupt status quo, they WILL discover, invent, or even impose something better! Far from being a source of empowerment to women(?)the feminism (or unisexism, to describe it another way) spawning such ersatz “men(?) will merely accelerate their obsolescence, and their replacements with women who are their superiors in every way!
At the most, I am a messenger ringing alarm bells, because when it–or something similar– finally starts happening, it will be far too late to stop it, and whether or not I know where the hell Vladivostok is or can parse sentence to Sherculese’s satisfaction will be the last thing on everybody’s mind!
Some people say that I would be “running away” because I am “afraid of people disagreeing with me”. There has NEVER been any disagreement with me on this blog!! There has been name calling, there has been argumentum ad hominem (by the ton), there has been misstatement galore of my positions–and probably postions of other intelligent, fair minded, and thoughtful critics of feminism and unisexism as well–but no real disagreement! Saying that I want to make “slaves” of women, or “fucktoys” of women, or talking about my endorsing their submission to a man as if it was somehow a bad thing, rather than a serious and altogether natural part of the default position of relations between the sexes.
I am coming to assume that the absence of effective and logical argumentation on your part is because youall cannot reason effectively, and am looking to better places elsewhere, and I am in good conscience, recommending this to NWO and other such antifeminists–NOT ‘MISOGYNISTS’–on manboobz as well!!
It is a fact that EVERYWHERE that I post, whether salon.com or Mises. org, whether antiwar.com or stormfront.org, whether on sites dedicated to alternative healing, paranormal phenomena, experimental and thus far, extremely speculative energy generation and storage technology, or revisionist history and anthropology. I am ALWAYS polite to other posters, and to the operators of the site or blog which I am visiting. I always try to find common ground with other people there, even if and when, in fact ESPECIALLY when I strongly disagree with them, and try to learn from them where possible. This never happened here, and I really now don’t think that it ever could…
Sherculese and Voip, for example, the two of you don’t always sound like total damnfools! Do you really think that my opinions about feminism have anything, or could ever have anything to do with whether I know anything, or care anything, about Vladivostok, or whether I–tongue in cheek–made an innocent and outlandish remark about its location? Do you really think that I could care less what you think about Vladivostok, and whether or not it relates to anything here on this blog? I find it hard to believe that even YOU can be that stupid!! Disagree with me about feminism all you like, but do it intelligently, or at least decently!
I could go on, but I have frankly made my point! You were way off base over how old I am, but believe me, I am too old for kindergarden. And even in kindergarden, I didn’t like the namecaling much! If I leave this blog, it would be because it reminds me of my EARLY childhood!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Yikes! Nobinayamu appears to have eaten her Wheaties this morning. 🙂
Ooh, looks like DKM just discovered where feminism came from! :p
Decently, you two! That is to say, pantslessly.
“Your ideas are literally evil because they contradict the teachings of my religion on the place of love, the role of the human being, and the use of violence and, if followed, would lead to a bloodbath that would exceed the Holocaust by almost a factor of ten, which is to say, kill most humans” is not ad hominem. That is a pretty specific attack on your ideas, which you’ve never addressed. Fuck, the day MRAs learned logical terminology, but not the rules of logic itself, was a black time for humanity.
By “obsolescence,” I think you mean “genocide.” Where else are three and a half billion people going to go? They won’t just disappear. If you’re not condoning about genocide, you are at least turning a blind eye to it, as you rub your hands and snicker.
And then what’s going to happen? In detail. This is the part where it sounds like you are making threats. Right here.
oops, also here.
Also, you’re not the Dude himself, just a messenger. I know, I know. We’ve heard it before.
THIS. LOOK AT IT.
Do you post there under the same name? Would anyone here like to see what you post? I know I would.
I think that your opinions about feminism are just as wrong as your opinions about where Vladivostok is.
Dude, you’d happily enslave me if you could. Fuck decency.
for someone who doesn’t care about such things, you sure bring it up a lot
It is a fact that EVERYWHERE that I post, whether salon.com or Mises. org, whether antiwar.com or stormfront.org, whether on sites dedicated to alternative healing, paranormal phenomena, experimental and thus far, extremely speculative energy generation and storage technology, or revisionist history and anthropology….
Whoah. I missed this on the first go-round, but I can guess what’s going on here. David, do you know anything about DKM and white supremacist groups?
“None of you have EVER OBJECTIONS to my “screeds”–revolting or otherwise–all that I have ever seen, and see now, is variations of ‘argumentum ad hominem’.”
There were, 2 pages back. When it became abundantly clear that your screeds have nothing to do with what we right, we stopped bothering.
Also, nothing to do with what we write.
Yikes! Nobinayamu appears to have eaten her Wheaties this morning. 🙂
Yes, the old “nyah nyah, you’re a loser and no woman would ever want you” shaming speech. It’s almost like referring to feminists as fat ugly lesbians, except, y’know, that’s misogynistic and wrong whereas this is totally warranted. Because patriarchy!
Don’t sell it short! That burn wasn’t based on stereotypes about men, it was lovingly hand-crafted with him (and none other!) in mind. That burn was personalized, slow-roasted and artisanal.
Ooh, sounds fancy and expensive.
DKM goes to stormfront? I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
Oh, Johnny_B. You know, I’d started to write a response that clarified my position and rebutted your accusation of “shaming language,” but I deleted it and figured “What’s the point?”
If you actually read my post and still managed to miss the substance, details and context then one of two things is abundantly clear: 1) you wouldn’t get it the second time around and 2) I’ve clearly struck a nerve.
You seem young, Johnny_B; younger than me at any rate. So I’m going to tell you something right now that is true and enduring: you don’t have to be a feminist or even agree with feminism to have a happy life, relationships with women, or escape the very real fate I forecasted for Meller and NWO. Try not to be a misogynistic ass-hat and avoid the succor of bigotry, in general and you’ll be just fine.
Oh, Johnny_B. You know, I’d started to write a response that clarified my position and rebutted your accusation of “shaming language,” but I deleted it and figured “What’s the point?”
I’d have liked to see that, actually. Because from what I saw, you referred to NWO and DKM as “failures”, called them names, and told them they’d die alone and nobody will care. A response which was met with approval by captainbathrobe and others.
Which is fine, but I’d guess that non-regulars here have probably been banned for less.
You seem young, Johnny_B; younger than me at any rate. So I’m going to tell you something right now that is true and enduring: you don’t have to be a feminist or even agree with feminism to have a happy life, relationships with women, or escape the very real fate I forecasted for Meller and NWO. Try not to be a misogynistic ass-hat and avoid the succor of bigotry, in general and you’ll be just fine.
I can dig that. I’d argue that you can probably have a happy life and relationships even if you are a misogynistic asshat but I get your point.
Which is fine, but I’d guess that non-regulars here have probably been banned for less.
As far as I can remember, two dudes were banned for personal comments and incessant trolling, and one dude was banned for Nazism. Three bans is very low. Hell, NWOSlave is banned from the Spearhead forums.
“Which is fine, but I’d guess that non-regulars here have probably been banned for less.”
In other words, you’re making shit up and hoping your guesses stick. Good luck with that, it’s all you’ve shown you’re capable of doing.
“I’d have liked to see that, actually. Because from what I saw, you referred to NWO and DKM as “failures”, called them names, and told them they’d die alone and nobody will care. A response which was met with approval by captainbathrobe and others.”
The accusations of shaming language always struck me as an attempt to appropriate the fight against slut shaming. I’m pretty sure feminism would have much less of a problem with the slut shaming if it were gender equal; I personally have no problem with people being shamed for shit they didn’t do (Which doesn’t include slutting it up in my book, but), though; You should be ashamed if you are a misogynistic, cissexist, heterosexist, ignorant asshat and conspiracy theorist who has constant fuckups in every field of history and knowledge as NWOSlave is. You should be ashamed if you are a misogynistc, cissexist, heterosexist asshat who specifically calls for the death or enslavement of your political opponents, as DKM is. And you should be ashamed if you’re a slimy little git who’d defend those things because feminists are the ones saying they’re bad, as you are.
Wow, that was worded poorly,t hat’s what I get for not sleeping.
“I have no problem with people being shamed for shit they’ve done that’s bad though, I just don’t think slutting it up qualifies.”
If people actually shame sex equally, putting it on both genders, rather than more or less complaining that women are inadequate gatekeepers, I’m much less inclined to mind. At least, so goes the theory, I’ve never seen it in practice.
“I’d have liked to see that, actually. Because from what I saw, you referred to NWO and DKM as “failures”, called them names, and told them they’d die alone and nobody will care. A response which was met with approval by captainbathrobe and others.”
Right.
So you’re going to gloss over (amont so many other things) Meller’s continuous predictions that men will rise up collectively against women and feminists, throw us in the “garbage pail”, and replace us with sex-bots while maintaining a population of the most attractive and submissive among us in some sort of sexual slavery? No mention of NWO’s constant assertions that we are, by nature, incompetent whores good only for breeding and cooking?
But I tell two lonely, bitter, palpably miserable misogynists (misogyny and anti-feminism are not, necessarily the same thing) about the logical end result of their lives and somehow, I’m the big meanie who deserves to be banned?
Tell you what, Johnny_b. I was working off of two gin and tonics, too little sleep, and too much work when I wrote that. If David chooses to place me on moderation, I’ll accept that decision with complete understanding.
What I won’t do is indulge any titty-baby whining about “shaming language” and name-calling. Kitchens are hot.