Sometimes the fellows on MGTOWforums.com get all philosophical on us. At the moment they are discussing a question of great import: Are women incapable of love to the degree men love?
I suspect you can guess their unanimous answer – women are incapable of love — which is pretty much what you’d expect men who hate women to say about women and love. Some highlights:
Fairi5fair thinks women are monsters; he just can’t figure out which kind:
Women are just incapable of love period. The thrill of being able to use her pussy to get free shit is what women mistake for “love”. …
They are cold, grasping, selfish, and heartless parasites. They have no souls. They are all vampires. Undead zombies lurching from meal to meal.
Wait, so are they vampires or are they zombies? I think I can handle either one by itself, but if they are both at the same time we’re doomed!
Goldenfetus seems to be smoking something powerful:
Yes, they are less capable of love than men, or totally incapable.
One possibility I’ve considered is that in a natural … environment male ‘love’ (platonic) would be reserved only for other men, while women would be viewed as property or objects of reproduction whose value was derived from fertility and subservience without any basis in ‘love’ reciprocation. If so, I would identify feminism as the factor that misled men into extending this love, disastrously, to females – tricking them into believing that females have souls and are like males.
Loving a woman is like trying to pet a toilet, water a sandwich, or plow a parking lot and then wondering why you aren’t getting results. The defect (of understanding) lies with the man loving an object incompatible with love, rather than in the female whose nature precludes reciprocity.
Arctic thinks it’s all about the Benjamins:
Love to a woman is a man who is their servant 24/7 365 a day. …
The idea of love involving sacrifice to a female is as foreign as periods are to men. Why should she care about a relationship involving sacrifice on her part, when she is taught all her life to exploit men for her own uses? Sacrifice herself for a mere man? WHY? Why, when beta males are selling their souls to sniff her crotch? …
[I]ts safe to say the idea of women being in love begins and ends at the ATM of her committed male asset.
The Accomplice agrees:
Women do not seek love or companionship. Their main objective is to find a man of the highest status possible (Richest men, the toughest guys, most popular guy etc) who will protect them, provide for them and satisfy their selfish desires. … [T]he majority of women are too weak physically and mentally to do these things on their own, hence why they always chase after men …
A women’s idea of love is all hypergamy, nothing more.
Superion goes all Evo-Psych on us:
Women are incapapble of love is the great, horrible secret that society has tried to hide from men since the dawn of time.
Women are physically and mentally weaker than men.
In order to survive and pass on their genes they need the resources of the strongest and best providing male available.
To do this, women rely on beauty and guile to trick a male into being her slave.
Women do not love.
For men, love is a self-delusion.
We trick ourselves into wasting our resources on one particular female.
This makes no sense so we tell ourselves we’re in love to justify it.
Such an unromantic bunch! Maybe this will cheer them up.
Actually, screw them. Maybe it will cheer me up:
And if that didn’t do the trick, how about this?
qwert666, I can assure you that no one here at manboobz will believe you when you piss on their leg and tell ’em it’s raining. Likewise, we do not believe your bullshit about the MGTOW assholes. We KNOW what they are and we KNOW what they believe. Stop your fucking lying, asshole.
@ Voip
“This is not the first time I’ve asked you this, and if the MGTOW movement is as free of misogyny as you claim, then you should have little problem finding them.”
I’ve already explained to you why I believe that misogyny exists on these sites. I’ve also made it clear that MGTOW itself is, in my view, not about misogyny.
@ Fuck MRAs
I’m speechless. Your anger toward is misplaced. And your argument weak.
Actually, qwert, her anger is more like dead-on.
Why exactly are we playing the little game where it’s all about freedom and having a relationship that’s right for you and hiking and singing opera?
We know that’s not true, and you know that’s not true.
Why you want to argue that it’s all about kumbayah, instead of at least sticking to your guns and saying “yeah, we are misogynists, and we do hate women, because there’s something fucking wrong with us!” is down to plain old cowardice, I guess.
I have read the MGTOW sites. They sound mentally unbalanced on a good day. Hating all women because one relationship with one went wrong and the man did not get all he wanted in court, is not, in fact, rational behavior.
The thread that inspired this particular post is horrifying.
If only you were ACTUALLY speechless.
And no, I placed that anger EXACTLY where I meant to.
Oh, Okay. So now I’m not only a misogynist but I’m being deceitful by pretending that I’m not. Despite the fact that no one here can actually point out where I have made even one misogynistic remark. The lack of logic displayed in some peoples comments here is staggering. You are now essentially pointing your finger at me and saying that I’m a liar and that I mean the exact opposite of what I am saying. How on earth am I supposed to have a serious discussion with people who adopt this attitude? It is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and “na na naing” me.
“If only you were ACTUALLY speechless.
And no, I placed that anger EXACTLY where I meant to.”
Is this then misandry? Anyone?
You came in suggesting David had taken his quotes out of context, and claimed to be one of the MGTOW. The board you were defending is full of pure, unadulterated hate for an entire gender. The words I have read by MGTOW are full of misogyny. If there are MGOTW who do not hate women, I have yet to read anything written by one.
Is this then misandry? Anyone?
It’s misqwertery.
Sheesh, you guys. Not everything is about gender.
…being part of a group that hates an entire gender, however, just might be about gender.
I now see that I am bashing my head against a brick-wall. For a bunch of people who claim to abhor bigotry and prejudice (some of you) have shown yourselves to be, quite frankly, full of it, in your treatment of me. You’ll be glad to hear that I don’t intend on returning. I’m going back to GMOW where I don’t have to deal with small minded and vicious little bullies such as those resident at ManBoobz. I leave here with my integrity as a MGHOW in tact and my conscience at ease, I doubt that those I leave behind can say the same for themselves.
MGTOW!
“…being part of a group that hates an entire gender, however, just might be about gender.”
Finally, someone acknowledges the truth about feminism.
Oh, is this another iteration of the “bait feminists until they get angry at me, then triumphantly declare that feminists are just too angry to deal with” game?
You’re not the first and I fear you’re nowhere near the last.
Dumb game, though.
Buttman – Feminists don’t generally declare that men are incapable of love.
You want to be our mirror image, but you’re more like our pathetic little Bat-Mite hanger-ons.
So qwert666 stands behind the souless hatred of his home forum. Good to know.
“I leave here with my integrity”
It’s hard to leave someplace with something you didn’t have when you arrived.
There’s lots to correct here, but let’s start with this:
My mom did. In the ’70s, when she had my sister and then me, she left her job as a nurse to raise us and take care of the house. Had she and my dad divorced sometime after that, she would have needed to, at minimum, take some classes to update her skills so she could get a new job.
It’s probably less frequent these days, but then, so is alimony. Go figure!
It’s always just fucking crystal clear that these MGTOWers have no actual experience caring for actual real children. But then again, they don’t seem to have much experience with actual real women either, so I guess it just comes with the territory.
I’m just leaving this up here in case qwert666 can’t stick the exit.
I didn’t ask you to prove that mgtowforums as a whole is misogyny-free, ’cause we both know, in your nudge-nudge, wink-wink sort of way, that it’s not. I asked you to prove that “There are plenty of threads on the forum linked to in this very blog that talk about these ideas” by linking to threads that talk about relationships without expressing hostility against women.
That you are reluctant to dig up individual threads, let alone links to entire forums, belies the “clean conscience” and “integrity as a MGHOW” with which you leave.
OK – so I don’t have alimony in my country either, bit of confusion there.
However, I’ll add to the chorus of people arguing that it isn’t unreasonable to think that men should support women after a divorce in certain circumstances. My mum had to take long stretches of time off work in order to raise three children (I was born 8 years after my sister) and this was partly because my Dad didn’t like her working in any way that would impede her ability to wait on him hand and foot. That is, dinner had to be on the freaking table at a certain time, be of a certain quality, and the house had to be spotless. We only had one car for a long time too, so she would have to drive him to work etc. She could maybe find piecemeal/shitty part-time jobs, which meant that once they split she had no education or work history that would get her anything other than a job in a grocery store – which, last I checked, don’t pay well.
Also, I still stand by the fact that a relationship should be on HIS terms is messed up. Relationships should be negotiated by all the people involved – I agree that the government system is messed up (though probably for different reasons, e.g. if a woman is in a relationship with a man it’s almost impossible to prove in court that he raped her). I dunno, I kindof feel like if you’re going to make the argument that MGTOW isn’t misogynist you’d need to rename it PeopleGTOW. Because the ‘omg, everyone has to be in a relationship that looks like x’ is fucked up for everybody!
Way upthread, I know, but I heartily concur! And this made me lol.
Geez, guys, guess we were too mean to qwerty and we’ve made him GHOW! He’s gone HOW right the hell off of this blog! However will we SURVIVE?
(I know lots of people have said this before, but MGTOWs are totally like little kids saying “I’m going to hold my breath until I die and THEN you’ll be sorry!” and expecting Mom will be so heartbroken they’ll get a pony. So pissy.)
And yeah, the “relationship on his own terms” thing is hella creepy. Because asking a man to meet your needs in a relationship (I’m talking the sort of needs that relationships meet, like honesty, emotional connection, or fidelity – however you define it – not necessarily financial support) is exactly like drowning him in the North Atlantic because your selfish female ass took up a whole lifeboat.
qwert666:
I won’t take it back, and I won’t apologise, because I meant what I said.
Here’s why, you are defending misogyny, and saying it is a legitimate expression of the sense of being wronged by women.
You say that people calling out misogyny in ways that aren’t polite enough to suit you are problematic, all the while making excuses for far worse from misogynists.
It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck.
So I’m going to call it a duck.
qwert666: I’ll note for the record I have a life. I emptied a shipping container, and made dinner for my fiancée, our her other primary and the sweetie who came to help.
I also unpacked half a dozen boxes.
I am in no way obliged to respond to you on a schedule.
Is this then misandry? Anyone?
No, because it’s directed at you, not at, “men”.
Which is the distinction you fail to make about women, and why you are a misogynist. No, you haven’t said, “I hate women”, but you have shown a non-reasoned categorisation of the entire group because some women, sometimes, treated some men badly.
“You’ll be glad to hear that I don’t intend on returning.”
Ten bucks says he’ll be back tomorrow.
24/7 365 what a day? A day only has 24 hours. Or is that another feminist conspiracy?
Ok, now, qwert, I think that represents the general thrust of David’s comment. In neither content nor tone does it give an overall impression subtantiall different from what his comments themselves do.
And yet, I was able to do this without quoting every sentence David has typed or uttered in the 40-odd years he has been capable of doing so.
@MissPrism:
Stick around for the inheritance.
@Bagelsan:
Not that I’m switching sides here, but the dude cooked pasta just fine. He didn’t serve it to her bullshit standards.
I mean, that’s a problem with her, not the entire fucking gender, but still.
Qwert666, I am sorry that I offended you, that was not my intention. Nor was it my intention to accuse you of misogyny, I was simply seeking clarification.
I am a bit confused by you apparent anger at my question and the implication that contained therein, that you may be a misogynist. You have said that misogyny displayed by MGTOW is justifiable, so why would you find a question that simply implies that you might be misogynist to be an offensive one? Would I be correct to interpret your offense at the question as statement that you are not a misogynist?