Sometimes the fellows on MGTOWforums.com get all philosophical on us. At the moment they are discussing a question of great import: Are women incapable of love to the degree men love?
I suspect you can guess their unanimous answer – women are incapable of love — which is pretty much what you’d expect men who hate women to say about women and love. Some highlights:
Fairi5fair thinks women are monsters; he just can’t figure out which kind:
Women are just incapable of love period. The thrill of being able to use her pussy to get free shit is what women mistake for “love”. …
They are cold, grasping, selfish, and heartless parasites. They have no souls. They are all vampires. Undead zombies lurching from meal to meal.
Wait, so are they vampires or are they zombies? I think I can handle either one by itself, but if they are both at the same time we’re doomed!
Goldenfetus seems to be smoking something powerful:
Yes, they are less capable of love than men, or totally incapable.
One possibility I’ve considered is that in a natural … environment male ‘love’ (platonic) would be reserved only for other men, while women would be viewed as property or objects of reproduction whose value was derived from fertility and subservience without any basis in ‘love’ reciprocation. If so, I would identify feminism as the factor that misled men into extending this love, disastrously, to females – tricking them into believing that females have souls and are like males.
Loving a woman is like trying to pet a toilet, water a sandwich, or plow a parking lot and then wondering why you aren’t getting results. The defect (of understanding) lies with the man loving an object incompatible with love, rather than in the female whose nature precludes reciprocity.
Arctic thinks it’s all about the Benjamins:
Love to a woman is a man who is their servant 24/7 365 a day. …
The idea of love involving sacrifice to a female is as foreign as periods are to men. Why should she care about a relationship involving sacrifice on her part, when she is taught all her life to exploit men for her own uses? Sacrifice herself for a mere man? WHY? Why, when beta males are selling their souls to sniff her crotch? …
[I]ts safe to say the idea of women being in love begins and ends at the ATM of her committed male asset.
The Accomplice agrees:
Women do not seek love or companionship. Their main objective is to find a man of the highest status possible (Richest men, the toughest guys, most popular guy etc) who will protect them, provide for them and satisfy their selfish desires. … [T]he majority of women are too weak physically and mentally to do these things on their own, hence why they always chase after men …
A women’s idea of love is all hypergamy, nothing more.
Superion goes all Evo-Psych on us:
Women are incapapble of love is the great, horrible secret that society has tried to hide from men since the dawn of time.
Women are physically and mentally weaker than men.
In order to survive and pass on their genes they need the resources of the strongest and best providing male available.
To do this, women rely on beauty and guile to trick a male into being her slave.
Women do not love.
For men, love is a self-delusion.
We trick ourselves into wasting our resources on one particular female.
This makes no sense so we tell ourselves we’re in love to justify it.
Such an unromantic bunch! Maybe this will cheer them up.
Actually, screw them. Maybe it will cheer me up:
And if that didn’t do the trick, how about this?
Yep. Totally going their own way, being celibate without ever thinking about women, move along, no hatred here! They’re only scared, and afraid. Love is just like hate! etc,etc.
Wow… no wonder they go their own way and ignore women altogether.
They have no desire for them at all. They love men; abjuring women, and all their works.
Or…
I was told there would be hiking and opera singing, and the joyous companionship of free men.
I am sorely disappointed.
I imagine these guys sitting around a fireplace in big stuffy chairs making noises of general approval like “quite right, quite right” and “ah, yes…” The reality is more likely a squalid basement, but it’s still more comfort than I’d like my mind to afford them.
I usually consider this rambling depressing, and not actually for being anti woman. It’s because I feel bad about people who feel this way about love, period. Not all of them think it isn’t possible (However anti-woman the comment was in total, ‘men would reserve their love for each other’ acknowledges that there is love).
From that forum: “How many women would say yes to a jobless man’s proposal?”
Count me as one!
I just don’t understand where these men are coming from. Do they honestly think that every expression of love by a woman in the history of the world was… acting? Do they believe that their mothers and sisters have no feelings towards them, because they are not just not capable of love to the degree that a MAN is, but completely incapable of love?
I mostly just feel really sad for these guys, that something has happened to them to force them into such a terrible dark corner of their minds.
Undead zombies lurching from meal to meal.
OK, now that was un-called for.
I mostly just feel really sad for these guys, that something has happened to them to force them into such a terrible dark corner of their minds.
I kind of suspect that NOTHING has happened to them.
My monetary career has not been the most lucrative. This hasn’t stopped women from having romantic relationships with me. At present I am the low-wage earner in the household. I wasn’t going to be anything other than that; perhaps ever, when my finacée proposed to me.
Zombie Rotten McDonald – I disagree. Something has happened to them. They haven’t been able to get the “hot alpha” women they’ve been lusting after to go out with them. If those women don’t love them the way that they “love” those women, then women just aren’t capable of love. That has to be the case, because the problem can’t lay within themselves, so the problem has to be in the women.
A man having preferences about who he dates? Has standards.
A woman having preferences about who she dates? Hypergamous bitch incapable of love.
Of course it gets worse as they hang around echo chambers like the MGTOWforums and other places like that. They feed upon the hate and depression and it grows until they convince themselves that we’re a completely different species than men.
I will agree with this though – “They have no souls.” True! But neither do men, and I’ve never understood how that’s supposed to be insulting or a problem…
How unloveable must you feel if you truly believe that the people you desire are completely incapable of returning your love?
From the forum:
“With a female, the salesMANship motto of “the customer is always right” is spit on. In her store, she sets the price and IF you even get the merchandise, it depreciates fast or was a lemon.
My wife and I had a conversation recently about this very subject. During that conversation she told me she loved me. I asked her, “What does that mean?” Of course, she wasn’t able to describe anything tangible or sensible. It was a FEELING and nothing more. ”
And if the woman he’s married to ever decides that she no longer wants to be married to someone that doesn’t love her enough to accept her love for him -that she no longer wants to live a life in which a declaration of love is met with such disdain- decides to file for divorce, these same men will denigrate her. She will be a statistic in the “women initiate divorce more frequently” froth that we will all have to wipe from our monitors. She will become yet another example of women’s biological incapability of love.
Wow.
I have a weird mixture of anger and pity towards these guys…on the one hand, those are vile things to say about another human being, and I wish them the best at going their own way, far far away.
On the other hand, yeah…that is a pretty depressing way to think about love.
So are we TOO emotional or are we not emotional at all? Pick a side and stick with it, morons.
I for one resent the implication that only women are vampires.
Something has happened to them. They haven’t been able to get the “hot alpha” women they’ve been lusting after to go out with them.
yeah, that’s what I meant. A whole lotta nothing happening to them, and they’re savagely bitter.
What a sad way to go through life.
What world do these guys live in where every woman has “beta males selling their souls to sniff her crotch”? Do they even see any women other than the “hot alpha bitches”? Are they actually unaware that many women have trouble getting dates too?
blitzgal Women are incorrectly emotional, and have desires independent of theirs.
This is unacceptable; it shows a lack of dedication to making it impossible for these men to move through the world in the state of lordly ease they think is their due.
I can’t really say I’ve ever run into the problem of women only caring about money and being provided for. As a matter of fact, it was a woman that paid for my car.
honestly, I think these men are projecting their own incapablity to love…..I know that is harsh but the way they seem all to happy to see men and women suffer, just leaves me very doubtful of the empathy levels of these people.
…Damn, I was looking forward to being a vampire zombie…I mean, if it’s okay with Zombie McD, I don’t wanna treat on his toes (they might come off, and that’s just inconvenient and awkward!).
Oh, I should work on my arms so I can work on my grasping, too!
I asked her, “What does that mean?” Of course, she wasn’t able to describe anything tangible or sensible. It was a FEELING and nothing more. ”
So…he followed that up by describing something tangible that sensibly describes love, right? Maybe some coupons or something? Maybe he wanted a nice diamond ring?
How unloveable must you feel if you truly believe that the people you desire are completely incapable of returning your love?
This seems to be the underlying issue with most of these guys. They can’t imagine a woman finding them attractive or lovable. I’d feel bad for them if they weren’t such assholes about it. I’m especially amazed by the way they can switch effortlessly back and forth between, “Women just want men to give them stuff,” and, “I hate women because they won’t give me stuff I want,” without any apparent sense of irony.
My wife and I had a conversation recently about this very subject. During that conversation she told me she loved me. I asked her, “What does that mean?” Of course, she wasn’t able to describe anything tangible or sensible. It was a FEELING and nothing more.
Wait, love isn’t a feeling? What is the correct answer to this question? Does the guy seriously think his wife doesn’t love him? Why is he married to her? I don’t even.
Now I’m sad.
Seraph, that’s the exact point that they all keep missing. There are plenty of women who are not “traditionally attractive” who have similar problems getting dates. But as you say, those women just don’t exist to these jerks. No sense of empathy whatsoever.
Shaenon, that comment is sad-making.