Those of you who aren’t regular readers of the comments here may not appreciate the true genius of David K. Meller, an excitable and exclamation-point-loving MRA I’ve mentioned once or twice in my posts, but who shows up in the comments here with some regularity – ending each comment with his trademark “PEACE AND FREEDOM!!”
Mr. Meller is a great lover (not physically) of men:
Men, by and large, are a wonderful sex! We are more intelligent than women, more creative, at least in the areas outside the home. We are, also, as a rule, physically stronger as well …
He claims to love women, too – though not feminists, whom he seems to consider something other than human:
Women ARE people, and often wonderful people at that! Feminists, on the other hand, AREN’T! …
Women are people, and properly raised, educated, and loved,, are beautiful, charming, and lovely!
Despite his alleged love of women – at least the non-feminist ones – he often says utterly horrible things about them. The examples are too numerous to catalogue. But let me draw your attention to one rather telling comment of his I found recently on The Spearhead.
In the midst of a discussion of Sharon Osbourne’s now notorious comments about a woman who cut off her husband’s penis, Meller offered the following musings on the subject of women and cancer. I am having trouble finding much love of women in them:
It is .. possible that the breast cancers (not to mention ovarian and vaginal cancers) have a psychosomatic aspect to their development. … The feelings of vicious sadism, brutality, and callous indifference to another’s pain in such harpies must inexorably work on the molecular, genetic, and cellular level to generate consequences! I hope that you girls find these consequences as hilarious as I do when you annoy me with your next women’s health campaign against cancer!
Maybe women don’t strictly speaking, DESERVE cancer, but it will be hard for me to stop laughing at them …
Isn’t the thought of cancer-ridden women going under the knife amusing? Isn’t thought of women losing part, or all, of a sexual organ that is precious to them FUNNY? The pain women experience when recovering from surgery (and radiation or chemo, which is almost as bad) is still less than the agony which that poor man underwent when he underwent castration at the hands of a deranged, sadistic, and vicious she-weasel (my apologies to weasels)!
[F]or every man who is abused and tortured by his woman, it almost warms my heart that the same hatred and spite characteristic of the female human(?) sets THEM up for a similar fate down the road, as that bitterness, vicious sadism, and bloodthirstiness so characteristic of those who would LAUGH AT the suffering caused by a “woman” committing such a vicious crime predisposes them toward cancer, and (I hope) a similar fate!
Karma is always there, girls, and it is a bitch!! HA HA HA HA HA…LOL!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
That “PEACE AND FREEDOM!!!” always gets me.
This being The Spearhead, Meller’s comments garnered more than a few upvotes. Not as many as he usually gets, admittedly, but some.
At some point I will do a Best of David K. Meller post, highlighting some of his “best” comments here. He is one for the ages.
The specific section of “The Talk” where the hosts make fun of the victim, as well as the audience reaction, were linked to the story in a you-tube video. Here it is, in case you want to see it:
so, no evidence that he even watched it. Typical.
This angers and disgusts me. It hits close to home because my sister has had two cases of cancer, cervical and ovarian. She finished her last chemo a couple of months ago and her prognosis is good.
She’s a nurse and treats her patients well. If she hadn’t been a nurse, she should have been a veterinarian, since she loves animals. She and her husband have seven dogs, most of whom they rescued because they live out in the country where people dump unwanted animals. I know she’s fed and found homes for at least thirty other dogs and cats.
After a big storm, she found hundreds of tadpoles in some pails her husband had left out and had filled with rain. He told her just to dump them out, but she carried them to the creek and emptied them there, so the tadpoles could have a chance to live. This is a woman who Meller seems happy to have suffered from cancer.
It was disgusting when Sharon Osbourne, the other hosts, and the audience laughed at what happened to that poor man. It’s disgusting when Meller does something similar.
Sorry, probably TMI, but it hit a nerve.
When my grandfather got Parkinson’s, my grandmother took care of him around the clock. In his last decline, she literally almost never left his bedside. During this time, she got breast cancer, but refused to have it treated; she said it would take too much time away from Grandpa’s care, but I always suspected she wanted to die with him. After he died, we persuaded her to get chemo, operations, etc. She had let it go for so long that when my mother drove her to the cancer center, there was a smell in the car like rotting meat from the open wound in her breast. This year it spread to her brain, and last month she died.
Peace and Freedom to you too, Mr. Meller.
Anthony, you’re being either obtuse or frankly dishonest about the comments on Feministe.
The “house arrest” comment is not said in anger so much as sadness; it’s clearly written by a man. Another commenter quickly calls him on it and says it is not appropriate.
The “nuclear holocaust” one that immediately follows on the page also seems to be motivated by sadness; also note that a nuclear holocaust would kill women as well. It’s akin to someone saying “well, I’ve given up on the whole human race.”
The comment about the machete is no longer there; evidently it was deleted (quite quickly) by a mod, who wrote “Let’s try and keep this conversation productive and me not throwing up, if you please.” (Quite a contrast to The Spearhead, where DKM’s comments aren’t deleted, and instead get upvotes.)
The comment about men “disappearing off the face of the earth” was actually an attempt to suggest that this sort of emotional response was wrong. (And it was also referring specifically to rapists, not to all men.) Here’s the whole comment:
And finally, the “killing all men with nuclear weapons” line actually comes from a guy critical of the OP and feminism in general; he’s referring to the earlier comment, and saying that this kind of discussion isn’t helpful.
@VoiP
Those days are long gone. You need to let them go.
Getting rid of mutual dependency is the best thing feminism ever did. It looks great in fairy tales, but there is a story of tears between the lines. The story of solitude, unreached potential, and moral confinement is never told. Dust from the fairy tale covers all this up.
Let it go. It was not nearly the dream you think that it was.
Who are you to tell anyone here to “let it go?” Back at you, with your giant derails about child support.
Just let it go.
@Futrelle
I was attempting to excuse the comments on feministe, not condemn them. People say all kinds of foolish things when they are angry. Men and women say foolish things, as was the case on feministe. I think both sexes should be excused when they speak in haste, in response to an emotional event that deeply troubles them.
David, you’ll also note that, much in the same manner that Zarat claimed that there was no such thing as modification and adjustment of child support, or that we’d made up the backstory of the Thomas Ball case, or assumed that posts addressed to MRAL were specifically addressed to him — he has also completely misinterpreted the post on the male studies program.
He seems to believe that the writer on feministe mocking the program is the same as an organized attempt by feminists, in totality, to destroy the program itself. The hyperbole and obtuseness is strong with this one.
“the hyperbole and obtuseness is strong with this one.”
Thanks. I work at it. I bet you would also, if you were a member of an oppressed and dehumanized group, regarded as sub-human by your government.
But you were trying to excuse them from things they never were. You were making a false equivalence; saying they were in the same vein as Meller.
They weren’t, but you were willing to lie about them so you could make an apologia for Meller.
Meller is probably right about a couple of things.
1. Genuine sadism (I’m not talking about the consensual, controlled, for-fun kind) very likely does have a negative impact on the body of the sadist. We’re all linked at a very deep level. Start to punish the body and/or spirit of another person and you start to punish your own body and/or spirit. Stands to reason.
2. There are at least as many nasty people on the progressive-leftie side of the political spectrum as on the reactive-rightie side. Douchenozzlery knows not from political convictions and it’s pretty equitably distributed throughout the human population. The difference is that progressive-leftieism doesn’t celebrate nastiness and douchenozzlery the way reactive-rightieism does and doesn’t considery creephood a qualification for high office. But, in every other respect, people are people, just like Depeche Mode said. In other words, the bar is low all over.
But Meller, IMO, is wrong on at least one major point.
1. Is this hilarious? “Terrible and inexplicable” would be more my way of looking at it. Human weakness can be risible but the human tendency to inflict harm and do damage is grounds for mourning, not laughter. At most it ought to provide material for satire, not humor. (Somehow I get the idea that Meller is not attempting either one of these.)
I don’t care what you were “trying to do” with the feministe comments; you misrepresented them.
And in fact you misrepresented them in an attempt to make Meller’s comments seem less bad: hey, the feminists do it too, so let’s cut him some slack.
In fact, feminists don’t do what Meller did; none of those comments, except perhaps for the deleted one about the machete, come close to his level of vileness. And when someone does post a violent comment on a feminist blog, it tends to get criticized and/or deleted. Because they aren’t willing to totally excuse any vile thing written because it was “written in anger.”
Sorry, my last comment was directed at Anthony.
“Thanks. I work at it. I bet you would also, if you were a member of an oppressed and dehumanized group, regarded as sub-human by your government.”
You think this is men? You’re not well connected with reality.
I was attempting to excuse the comments on feministe, not condemn them.
like with your comment about the prisons that I mentioned elsewhere, composition FALE.
I know there’s no point, but I’ll ask anyway.
Anthony, if you weren’t actually being oppressed, how would you know? How do you distinguish between oppression and ordinary bad events, the kind that happen to everyone?
Men make up the majority of government workers and elected officials. Apparently, they all regard themselves as sub-human.
@Futrelle
“And when someone does post a violent comment on a feminist blog, it tends to get criticized and/or deleted.”
Speak of misinterpretation … Meller’s comment never called for violence. He never called for anything. Meller said that he had no sympathy for women’s pain and suffering during cancer, and that women who hate men might have more cancer than those who do not.
In other words, Meller was mad enough at some women (the ones laughing at a man’s pain) that he said that he had no sympathy for any woman (laughers and non-laughers). He also said that he thinks that some women get cancer due to anger/hate. Silly, in my opinion, but not in the same league as the comments on feministe.
Mellers comments are demonstrably less hateful and angry than any of the posts on feministe, regardless of how they are interpreted, by a very large margin. He never called for ANYTHING to be done to “all women”. Not death, imprisonment or castration. He states that he, personally, feels no sympathy for women who have cancer. Why would you care so much about what he feels at that moment?
Having said that, I don’t care that feministe posters were calling for appalling things to be done to men. Like I said, people say unkind things when they are worked up.
How do you distinguish between oppression and ordinary bad events, the kind that happen to everyone?
My varicose veins are OBVIOUS evidence of my oppression by the veino-fascistical Top 40 Radio Stations.
I will not link to proof of this, because why should I do your research?
Meller’s comment never called for violence. He never called for anything. Meller said that he had no sympathy for women’s pain and suffering during cancer, and that Meller’s comment never called for violence. He never called for anything. Meller said that he had no sympathy for women’s pain and suffering during cancer, and that women who hate men might have more cancer than those who do not.
OK, asshole, this is tiresome. Nobody here said he did.
What most of us DID say, is that he was a reprehensible subhuman turtle-draped ballsqueezer for suggesting that laughing at ALL women’s cancer is perfectly acceptable in light of the butthurt he felt because A FEW women made bad comments about the horrible domestic abuse incident experienced by one man.
And then, we rightly mocked this: ” women who hate men might have more cancer than those who do not.”
Because, dude, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
“In fact, feminists don’t do what Meller did; none of those comments, except perhaps for the deleted one about the machete, come close to his level of vileness.”
The level of vileness of Meller’s comments that you speak of is a reflection of your differential perception of how men and women SHOULD be treated.
Telling a woman an unkind thing rates as a 7 on your “vileness” meter.
Calling for violence against a man … maybe a 5, maye a 9 … but only a 5, since maybe it was partly a joke. Calling for incarceration of all men … well, that would be a 5, because it was not (even partly) a joke, but it is only incarceration.
Sorry, David. Your thinking is profoundly prejudiced, and I think, denigrating to women. Women are neither delicate nor fragile, and need no special protection, pampering, or privilege. They are as tough, smart, and resilient as men. Meller’s unkind words about him, personally, having no sympathy for women in pain are not in the same league as feministe posters calling for mass violence, half in jest, half not.
The US Senate has 17 out of 100 who are women. 76 out of 441 in the House of Representatives. Only 276 have served since 1911.
http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid='0E%2C*PLS%3D%22%40%20%20
What the fuck dude?
Get some perspective.
Damn, you going to hold your breath until we give you a cookie or something?
Anthony, I don’t know about you, but I see a comment fantasizing about violence as being roughly in the same category as one that fantasizes about the suffering of a group of people with glee.
Do you want me to dig up some violent comments on The Spearhead? Because that would take me about 2 seconds.
Oh, here’s one:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/02/06/abuse-charlatan-gears-up-for-super-bowl-with-abuse-bingo-rapist-babies-ad/#comment-69495
So, yeah, violent comment on Feministe, deleted. Violent comment on The Spearhead, “well-loved” with dozens of net upvotes.
“The level of vileness of Meller’s comments that you speak of is a reflection of your differential perception of how men and women SHOULD be treated.
Telling a woman an unkind thing rates as a 7 on your “vileness” meter.
Calling for violence against a man … maybe a 5, maye a 9 … but only a 5, since maybe it was partly a joke. Calling for incarceration of all men … well, that would be a 5, because it was not (even partly) a joke, but it is only incarceration.”
Oh, wow. Now he’s putting himself as “judge of all humor”?
Tell me, Anthony, how can one trust YOU to say that David is bias towards women who make bad jokes just because they’re women?
What is it with the MRAs feeling like they have to rank everything all of the time?