The contest for the Most Ironic Use of the Term “Nice Guy,” When Applied to Yourself –otherwise known as the MIUTNGWAY Award – is heating up. The previous front runner – the Tumblr guy who compared his inability to get laid to the Holocaust – now faces a serious challenge from a Redditor calling himself DogmaDog.
The other day Mr. Dog wandered into a discussion of the SlutWalks in the Feminisms and offered his two cents: he declared them “stupid,” and suggested that they won’t really help victims.
And then he started in on his own tale of woe.
I know I’m going to be shit on for saying what I’m about to say, but please hear me out.
Not a promising start, Dog.
I’ve never raped a woman, and I’m the ‘nice guy’ who never took advantage of a woman.
Do you want an award for this?
But a girl I was infatuated with in high school blew me off and treated me disrespectfully. She ended up being raped one night, while intoxicated. I do not know how I am supposed to feel about it.
As Don Draper would say, “what?”
How do you think you’re “supposed” to feel? Did you accidentally dislodge the part of your brain responsible for basic human empathy?
Apparently, the answer to that is “yes.”
[H]ow do you suppose I am supposed to feel about this woman I knew who got raped? I mean, I’ve never taken advantage of a woman, but I don’t understand how my ‘friend’, this girl I went to high school with, could go out and party all the time, and in turn treat me, her classmate, as though I were an inferior person for not enjoying the atmosphere of drunkenness at high school parties.
As it turns out, you’re an inferior person for an entirely different reason.
That girl was a mean girl, no? And by being disrespectful toward men, and prejudiced toward men, wasn’t she asking men to behave badly toward her? The only men she gave attention and physical affection to were the ones who hurt her back.
So let me see if I get this: she didn’t go out with you, a “nice guy,” so she was therefore “asking” to be raped?
Naturally, this being the Feminisms subreddit, and not The Spearhead, some of the regular commenters took exception to Mr. Dog’s victim-blaming and his complete lack of empathy for the victim – especially strange, since Dog, who says he is suffering from an (unspecified) mental illness, considers himself “a victim, in my own way,” of prejudice towards those with mental health issues. This experience, alas, has not given him any sympathy towards other vicitms.
Indeed, it seems that DogmaDog didn’t misplace his sense of empathy after all; rather, he threw it out of the house and got a restraining order against it. Responding to someone who suggested he show a little empathy, Dog lashed out:
Your empathy can go suck a dick. Empathy does nothing to help my situation. I suppose that is just the excuse people give themselves so that they can feel like they are actually doing something.
You basically called me an inferior human being because I can’t or won’t empathize for my friend who was raped. Well, ask yourself this, smart-ass, have you ever really wondered what good your empathy does? It does nothing. …
In reality, you are doing nothing but attacking me, and I may or may not have a ‘complex’, even though I don’t know what that is, but I can guarantee you, I HAVE NEVER RAPED ANYONE!!!
The sound you hear is me banging my head, ever so softly, on my desk. Empathy is what connects human beings to one another, what allows them to understand one another on a deep level.
When people are suffering – as you are, Dog, in dealing with your mental illness – a little bit of empathy from someone else can make all the difference in the world.
If you can’t feel even a little bit of sympathy for this woman you were once “infatuated” with, you’re not a nice guy at all; you’re an even bigger asshole than those drunken high school partiers you disdain. You may never have raped anyone — as you’ve repeatedly insisted, as if this should win you a prize – but “in your own way” you’re thinking like an abuser. Your lack of empathy for the victim, your continued bitterness towards her for turning you down, your sense of wounded narcissism; none of this is healthy, for you or for anyone who comes into contact with you.
You need help, dude. Please, please get it.
Is Zarat gone already? I composed a little ditty for him and everything… 🙁
Out of the blue, a die-hard came blowin
‘Bout fathers and prison and child-support owin.
We gave him our facts,
Thought he’d stop in his tracks,
But no. Anthony kept on goin…
A troll of the mightiest calibur. Mowin
Through links and through data without even slowin.
Though he rage like all hell,
I think we know him well!
His name, I’m quite sure, might be… erm… hmm.
I haven’t quite finished the last verse yet.
Cats.
All poems and songs and w/e should end w/ Cats :3
or XD
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
Cats
XD
Dildomuffin? It rhymes but I think it’s an insult to dildos and muffins…both awesome things imo
Sorry, folks, away from the Internets for awhile. Just pulled a bunch of stuff from the spam filter/moderatio queue, including a batch of things from Anthony Zarat.
ahh I’m late to this party, and I see 94 comments so I know we’ve done some major lateral moves topic wise and that there’s an mra that’s appeared to entertain us, what is it this time? *clicks comments” Oh A CHILD SUPPORT RANT, from a dead beat dad, likely. Oh look feminists are to blame for the prison system.
I think- well, first of all, I would need the source to see if it’s really jail time and if it’s PRISON and not jail. That’s my first question. Secondly, I chuckle at the guy admitting this is a man’s issue. Are there dead beat moms? Yes. I know some. But it must be that the people least willing to support their kids are men. I thought men were great fathers and feminists were busy trying to take fathers away from kids. I’ve known for twenty years by reading Steinem that the OPPOSITE is true, and she did a very recent Steven Colbert appearance reiterating that. Parenting not being shared is the number one reason women don’t advance at work, or are held back in some cases.
And not only that, but a lot of them don’t get child support. Ahhhh back to the start here. Child support -and some ranty guy admitting that’s a men’s issue. Thanks, I knew it mostly was. Society treats men like grown up coddled babies in this arena. Now, here’s something anecdotal. Had they locked my ex up he would not have gone on to create THREE MORE children with different women that he doesn’t support EITHER. I suppose this is the fault of feminists, too.
‘I suppose this is the fault of feminists, too.’ Theresa
Of course we all know that everything is the fault of feminism. Even the stuff that directly contradicts other stuff that is the fault of feminism.
http://pervocracy.blogspot.com/2011/04/imaginary-feminism-101.html
“Are you kidding me? They are sent to prison, and even the man-hating Futrelle has written a number of articles about what happens to men in prison.”
I just produced an article that indicated that the sexual violence is not so common as you think. The regular violence may be, but what david said is… irrelevant compared to what the evidence indicates, and the evidence for sexual violence is that the rape isn’t so common, but the sexual harrassment and assault are.
“As to “evidence”, women control 700 women’s studies departments which regularly produce a ream of “evidence” supporting the feminist war on men and boys.”
No, you’re confusing research with teaching, there. While a non-zero number of such departments invariably engage in research, it is also not 100% of them, same as any other field.
“I would LOVE to have 700 male studies departments to show evidence of details like the specific victimization of inmates incarcerated for child support non-payment,”
That’s uselessly specific for a study. You should instead provide evidence that men and women are generally victimized in prison, and then seperately provide evidence that men going to prison for child support non-payment is a common thing. You’re not very good at research, are you?
“BUT THERE ARE NO MALE STUDIES DEPARTMENTS TO DO THIS WORK.”
We call them “Social studies departments”.
“The feminist strangle hold on the academic perspective of gender is the reason that every feminist always asks for “references”.”
No, technically everyone should ask for references, period, on anything that is asserted as a fact claim. It’s good practice to be sure something is factually correct before taking it as correct.
But yes, our claims are actually born out by reality, yours are not, so we also ask for references because we know you can’t substantiate your claims. Yet you think you’re right anyway.
“Thoughtcrime!”
You do know what a crime is, yes?
Anthony Zarat/AntZ – I presume you are the same person. You weren’t banned. Notice, all of your rants (well, I presume all of your rants) are all up where they belong. Sometimes posts get moderated on this blog for a variety of reasons. Try some patience…Dave probably has better things to do than hang out here all day every day waiting for a comment that needs to be let through a spam filter.
Ah, that was unspecific. “Sexual violence is not so common as you think IN PRISON”. Relatively low rape incidence rate. Still higher than the general populace, not nearly so high as the media would have you think.
Sorry, folks, away from the Internets for awhile. Just pulled a bunch of stuff from the spam filter/moderatio queue, including a batch of things from Anthony Zarat.
I particularly chuckled at the moderated comment that he thought was banned. Like many trolls, his goal was to aggravate, prevent the regulars from having a normal discussion, until he gets banned. It’s what the dateless do on evenings, apparently; I have no idea what they get out of it though.
looks like he came back with a nym change, however.
not nearly so high as the media would have you think.
but he would have looked foolish trying to source his comments to “The Shawshank Redemption”
Antz is indeed Anthony Zarat, or else they are identical twins using the same computer.
So I’ll just call you AZ: AZ, you weren’t banned; you were caught in the spam filter.
Now, if you look at the comment policy here, you’ll see that you broke a bunch of my comment rules: you derailed a thread with a completely off-topic rant; you misrepresented my post and me in general (I never claimed this guy was an MRA; not everyone I write about is); your comments are full of hyperbolic insults and abusive language.
And, as has been made clear many times already by others in this thread, you’re generally full of shit. That’s not a bannable offense, though.
So yes, feel free to keep posting, though I’d prefer you not employ sockpuppets. Pick one identity and stick with it.
And could you do a favor for me: before continuing with your child support bullshit, please make at least one comment that is about the OP.
The feminist strangle hold on the academic perspective of gender is the reason that every feminist always asks for “references”.
You are literally saying that facts have a feminist bias? Loooool
Hey David, does our friend Arizona happen to be our old friend of many forms? He does seem to fit the pattern for content, if not for venom.
Hey, Anthony! Assume that you suddenly get dictatorial control over the US, or at least a small part of it. You can get rid of all the laws you hate. As far as child support is concerned, you can make your perfect world, your Republic.
1. Who keeps the children when the parents split up? Is there a competence test, where the kids go to whoever is determined to be a better parent, or does the father get custody in all cases?
2. If the latter, why should the father always get custody? I mean, you say feminists hate fathers more or less automatically, but I want to hear your case for why we should like them.
3. How would you ensure that children whose parents split up are fed and supported?
I know the thread has moved past MRAL outburst, but I have something to say to him.
MRAL, I get that you’re lonely. I get that being lonely sucks. I know first hand what it feels like. In fact, I feel it right now. But you know what? Neither of us is owed a relationship. That’s something that has to be freely given.
But right now, with your current temperament, I’m glad you’re lonely. You deserve to be. Until you can learn to control your temper, you deserve to be as far away from a relationship as you could possibly get. You can’t even hold your rage in on a blog comment thread. This isn’t even live chat. You have every option of simply looking at the posts you write, and asking yourself, “Hey, should I click ‘post comment’ or should I cool off a bit first?” The very fact that you can’t do that shows that you have severe anger issues and poor impulse control.
There are a lot of women in my life who I care very much about. I wouldn’t want someone like you dating them. I wouldn’t wish that on a woman I couldn’t stand, either.
*applauds Spearhafoc*
“That girl was a mean girl, no? And by being disrespectful toward men, and prejudiced toward men, wasn’t she asking men to behave badly toward her? The only men she gave attention and physical affection to were the ones who hurt her back.”
Seriously, though, this dude is a total douche. From what I’ve read, she was at most ‘disrespectful’ toward ONE man (not ALL men, interesting slippage which indicates a god-complex there). How is she a ‘mean’ girl again? And again we see this conflation between ‘woman reject man = woman hate man’, and the following false equivalence between quietly hating men and willfully refusing to sleep with the ‘nice’ ones and, y’know, rape.* I’m going to say this slowly for MRAL in his overemotional in-need-of-a-nap state. Rejection. Is. Not. The. Same. As. Rape. And. Does. Not. Justify. Rape.
*Here disguised in the euphemism ‘behave badly toward her’…seriously, how tortured is that sentence in its attempt to grammatically erase the RAPIST’S agency? Bah.
So Mr Dog is saying that if he has a submissive girlfriend and he get beat up by a thug and his submissive girlfriend is too afraid to help him, it’s his fault and therefore he should date a macho feminist with a black belt in karate that will be able to help him ? 🙂
@Tabby Lavalamp
“Oh fucking hell. Is the bar for victimhood that friggin’ low in MRAland? Being rejected by a girl he was infatuated with in high school doesn’t make him a “victim”, you putz.”
The bar for women is appallingly low; ask a woman out in an evevator and she’ll be a victim plus the man will deemed creepy. Maybe even worse for not leaving her an escape route.
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@cynickal
“Maybe it wuold give him some ideas on what it means to be human. Because right now, he’s failing.”
Sounds like another feminist not seeing someone as human, yet they love to throw the ,”not seeing women as human” in everyones faces.
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@cynickal
“You do realize that these laws are intended for THE State to be refunded the cost of providing child care for Scoff-Laws who refuse to take EQUAL responsibility for the care and support of they children they created then abandoned, don’t you?”
Of course you could just give men equal custody like they fight for after divorce/seperation. But that would take the profit and power away from women.
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@Bee
“Is Anthony Zarat smart enough to understand that this site is about making fun of misogyny wherever it is found and not only in MRMland, and that David never represented Dog as an MRA?”
Misogyny is anyone who disgrees with any woman.
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@Rutee
“But you know, I really don’t like Child Support as a system. I want to replace it with a small income tax on everyone, and all parents get the money back.”
Thats communism/socialism/marxism, synonymous with feminism.
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@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
” The one with the United States of America, whose Supreme Court just recently ruled on the issue of support modification.”
Since we know without a doubt that men are imprisoned for failing to pay child support due unemployment/underemployment and as Anthony Zarat stated it costs 120K a year for incarceration, why incarcerate? Since the average child support payment is $200.00 a week which equals $10,400.00 a year. One year of prison equals 11 years of child support payments, why doesn’t Big Daddy just pay the child support, it’s way cheaper? The only answer is women enjoy the power of wielding the violence of the State. What else could it be?
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@Rutee
“This isn’t generally a problem for feminists, because the inequality of abortion laws is self-evident to thinking people. But he specifically claimed the laws themselves, and not merely the legal system, were biased against men; that needs to be sourced.”
Men have no rights to a live child, therefore no reproductive rights. What source could you possibly need?
Since we know without a doubt that men are imprisoned for failing to pay child support due unemployment/underemployment and as Anthony Zarat stated it costs 120K a year for incarceration, why incarcerate? Since the average child support payment is $200.00 a week which equals $10,400.00 a year. One year of prison equals 11 years of child support payments, why doesn’t Big Daddy just pay the child support, it’s way cheaper? The only answer is women enjoy the power of wielding the violence of the State. What else could it be?
Someone did not bother reading the decision, the law prior to the decision, the history of the law surrounding the decision or actually reading anything at all.
Tell me NWOaf, do you ever get tired of being wrong?
haha, I love when David shows up and gives the trolls some little hoops to jump through.