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A Nice Guy’s lament: “First, they came for the rapists … .”

You’ve all seen the famous quote attributed to German religious leader Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the communists,

and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Now one embittered “Nice Guy” on Tumblr who goes by the name joetomcollins has written his own version, with feminists as the Nazis, rapists as the communists, and, well, just read it yourself:

When the Feminists came for the Rapists,

I remained silent;

I was not a Rapist.

When they locked up the stalkers,

I remained silent;

I was not a stalker.

When they came for the Players,

I did not speak out;

I was not a Player.

When they came for the men who they got bored of,

I remained silent;

I wasn’t some one they were bored of yet.

When they came for me, the nice guy,

there was no one left to speak out.

So, yeah. Let’s think this through a little bit. When Niemöller made his now famous remarks, he was expressing his own sorrow for not standing up to Hitler when he started arresting Communists. So is joetomcollins suggesting that he – and we – should have stopped “the feminists” from going after rapists and stalkers?

Joetomcollins doesn’t say, but he does have a lot more to say on the evilness of feminists and stuck-up women in general:

[I]f I’m going to be the bad guy no matter what I do… might as well get it the fuck out the way right up front.

I might as well ENJOY being the villain.

The FemeNazi messsage is LOUD AND CLEAR!

I am an average normal guy. I am never going to be good enough.

Especially in NYC where you only personalities you get are native “rats” who have learned to survive to being ruthless, and Type “A” psychopaths who come here to conquer everything.

Dude, if you don’t like the people in New York, then maybe, just maybe, you should move out of New York. It’s a high-pressure place and, well, you don’t seem to respond well to pressure, let’s put it that way.

He continues on with a refrain that I suspect will sound awfully familiar to a lot of you:

Man hasn’t had the ability to choose his woman for at least the last 150 years. The woman chooses the man. ALWAYS.

Now even showing interest is offensive to the FemeNAZI.

We aren’t talking about DOING anything but telling someone you think they are attractive. If a guy YOU liked rejected you, he would be Satan incarnate, but when a woman rejects a guy…

“HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!!!”

“HOW DARE HE THINK HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!!!!”

… and we’re supposed to nod sheepishly and apologize for bothering you as we leave with a smile.

When I read shit like this I have to wonder: who exactly are you approaching, and what exactly are you saying to them? I’ve made some awkward passes in my day, but I’ve never gotten this response from anyone.

Could it be that you’re a dick? Your post seems to suggest that you are — an angry, self-obsessed dick almost completely lacking in self-awareness and empathy.

I mean, seriously, comparing your inability to get laid to the fucking Holocaust? Your bad luck with women to the murder of millions? Douche move, my man.

If you embrace your dickhood, as you seem to want to do, and become much more straightforward about your sexual desires, instead of trying to hide behind a nice-guy facade, you might actually get laid more often than you’re getting now. But you’re not likely to get a lot of repeat customers. And for good reason: no woman wants (or deserves) to be saddled with all your bullshit.

So let’s assume, for the purpose of argument, that you’re not a full-blown dick; you’re just a horny young guy on a sexual losing streak lashing out at women for your own failures. Let’s assume you are willing to work on actually reducing your dickishness. (Readers: All I ask is a little temporary suspension of disbelief.)

Reading your account of your romantic failures, and bearing in mind that most straight men don’t get this sort of response from the women they approach, there are several possibilities:

  1. either you are exaggerating the alleged awfulness of the rejections you’ve gotten, or
  2. there is something desperately wrong with your approach — perhaps you’re cornering women in elevators at 4 AM, or otherwise transgressing their boundaries in inappropriate ways — or
  3. the women you are approaching are, you know, bitches.

You really only have two choices here: you can spend the rest of your life wallowing in bitterness at women, or you can reconsider your approach. Find some woman you are friendly with – one you are not obsessed with fucking – and explain to her what’s going on, and ask her where you think you’re going wrong. If it’s your approach, learn to better respect people’s boundaries and read their body language; some women don’t want to be bugged by anyone when they are, you know, on the way to work. If it’s your selection of women, select different women.

And stop posting tirades on the internet about how women are a bunch of evil Nazis out to oppress you and your poor lonely penis. You know how, when you jump into cold water, your genitals shrink in horror from the cold? Something similar happens to the vaginas of most women when they read shit like you just wrote.

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no more mr nice guy
13 years ago

There’s a guy (Charlesddt1) that posted a creepy video on Youtube of what he said was his ex girlfriend (Megan) saying that wanted to take her back:

Then a woman showed up in the comment section saying that she was Megan and that she has never been the girlfriend of Charlesddt1 and that the guy with her in the pictures is not Charlesddt1 and that Charlesddt1 stole her Facebook pictures to make the video. I think that many of these Nice Guys(TM) are like that : they steal Facebook pictures of women and then claim these women are their girlfriends.

ozymandias42
13 years ago

Also!

“Being nice” is necessary but not sufficient to get laid. This applies for everyone. If you want someone to have sex with you, then you need to be someone who they want to have sex with. If you want someone to have a relationship with you, then you need to actively bring value to their lives.

This applies the other way too– “s/he’s nice and interested in me” is NOT a good reason to date someone.

ozymandias42
13 years ago

shaenon: I sporfled.

mephistephanies
mephistephanies
13 years ago

What is with this expectation that every woman you talk to is supposed to throw themselves at your feet and beg to touch your penis? Is Hustler writing life now?

ozymandias42
13 years ago

No, not every woman you talk to. Just the hot ones.

FelixBC
FelixBC
13 years ago

Any chance these nice guys tm are physically attracted to exactly the women most likely to reject them? I think you can usually tell when a person is, let’s see, defensive, has guards up, has ‘tude, is unlikely to receive approaches, while also being “hot”. I run into people every so often who radiate “back off” signals. If I’m (perversely?) interested in foisting myself onto them, literally or figuratively, it’s not going to end well. I might even get spat on, or sworn at, if I really push it. Somehow I see slavey and mral doing this…

Johnny Pez
13 years ago

No, not every woman you talk to. Just the hot ones.

You had me going there for a second, Ozy, but I’m too smart for you. If she isn’t hot, she doesn’t count as a woman. She’s just a faceless humanoid occupying some space.

Johnny Pez
13 years ago

Off-topic: there is a dog sitting in my lap licking my face. That’s her picture on the left.

That is all.

no more mr nice guy
13 years ago

What is with this expectation that every woman you talk to is supposed to throw themselves at your feet and beg to touch your penis?

These guys have Narcissistic Personality Disorder and believe the world revolve around them and that they are entitled to women. That’s why they cannot stand seeing women with others guys. George Sodini had the same mental problem.

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
13 years ago

@JohnnyPez

I miss having dogs 🙁

Johnny Pez
13 years ago

hugs theLaplaceDemon

katz
13 years ago

Do you live in an apartment?

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
13 years ago

Yep. I also anticipate moving a fair amount over the next few years, and generally do not have the resources to be a good dog owner at the moment. But I grew up with dogs and miss them a lot.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

Dang, those feminists will come for just about anyone!

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I think any guy should be pretty insulted by this poem -_- He puts guys that aren’t hurting nebody (players, boring guys, nice guys) on a spectrum w/ rapists and stalkers, as if they’re kinda all the same O_O;; And that’s creepy as f- … Also it’s rly insulting to the original poem and survivors of the holocaust and well… just everybody I’d think >_:|

This is serious WTFery. >_<;;

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I think any guy should be pretty insulted by this poem -_- He puts guys that aren’t hurting nebody (players, boring guys, nice guys) on a spectrum w/ rapists and stalkers, as if they’re kinda all the same O_O;; And that’s creepy as f- … Also it’s rly insulting to the original poem and survivors of the holocaust and well… just everybody I’d think -_-; (except rapists) Rapists harm ppl by being rapists. Jewish ppl, or gypsies, or etc do not. Rapists aren’t some poor beset upon ethnic group that is being persecuted -_-

Also, he seems to think all rapists are male (again, rapists as part of a continuum of men) and that rape survivors can’t be male (since he seems to not think of rape as a bad thing and just some weird thing women don’t like) >:|

This is serious WTFery. >_<;;

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no more mr nice guy
13 years ago

Also, he seems to think all rapists are male (again, rapists as part of a continuum of men) and that rape survivors can’t be male (since he seems to not think of rape as a bad thing and just some weird thing women don’t like)

MRAs treat male-on-male rape as something normal. For example, Roissy said that female cuckolding is worst than butt rape and most his fan-club agreed with him ::

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/cuckoldry-vs-butt-rape/

One of The Spearhead author is Jack Donovan and he’s gay. He has written several books about homosexuality (which he called androphilia) and he defended male-on-male sexual harassment saying it’s normal male bonding and most of his fans agreed with him :

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/01/22/male-on-male-sexual-harassment/

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

omg I saw Jack Donovan all over the comments in the Spearhead article about trans ppl… and he seems to think bullying of boys is a good thing too O_O;;;

NF4ever
NF4ever
13 years ago

@No More Mr. Nice Guy

Yeah, these guys are good at cooking up bogus relationships in their minds that never really happened. I’d never even talked to one of the guys who followed me around.

I think we need to start having “relationship ed” just like we have “sex ed” in school. There are a whole lot of people who have no clue what a healthy attitude toward relationships looks like. When you look at guys like Samuel, who are so obviously clueless, and yet begging for some kind of guidance, you wonder if maybe giving them advice in the formative years might have paid off… the messages they get from media are so mixed that they’re not helping, either.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

WTF… that Roissy thing… is he rly advocating for male survivors to just “suck it up” and thinks PTSD can be just “worked out in a gym” (in fact he seems to imply it has positive side effects since ppl will compliment your physique) and also for male survivors to not tell nebody!? >_:O

Theresa (@BooBooMatrix)

Ok, reading the comments it occurs to me to say this. The profile for stalking victim…”nice girls” the ones that appear accessible and “nice” they get the most stalkers. True story, just thought I would throw that in here. Is there projection going on with this dude? His entitled outlook is not nice at all.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I just tried to read the comments on Roissy’s piece and I almost threw up : (srsly, not rhetorically) and I couldn’t continue… they srsly all seem to think rape is no big deal and it’s over in “90 seconds” and you get a little PTSD for a couple months maybe, don’t talk about it, then you move on w/ your life… >_<

Moewicus
Moewicus
13 years ago

As bad as it sounds, he does have a point. I can’t count the number of times I’ve thought “man, I am in the middle of a no-sex holocaust”.

Er, scratch that, I have never thought that. In fact the history of Nazi Germany provides a terrible metaphor for feminism or a dearth of sexytime. You have to spend a lot of time deliberately getting yourself angry at women (not even a woman, but women in general) to even come up with something like this. Joe Tom Collins’ notion that he is a Nice Guy is part of the personal mythology that tells him that is is an injustice that he is not getting laid and allows him to criticize women for refusing to be “chosen” by him, and thereby justify the “transition” to Bad Guy.

no more mr nice guy wrote:
“For example, Roissy said that female cuckolding is worst than butt rape and most his fan-club agreed with him”

Notice how he lovingly accentuates the pain of being cuckolded but treats the outcome of rape as some sort of silent, inert shame that at the most inspires you to work out more. And after raising a child for ten years, suddenly it’s an outrage that the hypothetical man can’t stop paying child support. What loving father would want to stop supporting a child he raised, biological or not? Roissy(/Heartiste?) never mentions a damaged bond with the child as one of the consequences. It’s like he thinks fatherhood is a financial investment. Second verse, same as the first: it’s the result of a lot of time spent getting angry about very particular things.

Budmin
Budmin
13 years ago

Alright people it’s obvious that this dude is completely panic stricken.
 I’m guessing the rejections he visualizes in his mind have taken over his  psyche.

Rejections are hardly ever that bad & I don’t think this dude is willing to find out.
 The man has a phobia thats manifested into hatred…..and….Now I’m wondering if this is a common trend.

no more mr nice guy
13 years ago

omg I saw Jack Donovan all over the comments in the Spearhead article about trans ppl… and he seems to think bullying of boys is a good thing too O_O;;;

You mean this article ?

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/12/01/suicidal-tendencies/