The other day we took a look at a Redditor who calls himself AntiFeministMedia. He does not seem to like the ladies very much. Indeed, in some of the posts of his I quoted, he went so far as to say that women are animals, not humans, and suggested that men should pretty much have the final say in anything involving reproduction (as clearly the women have been doing a terrible job of it).
So one might wonder: why have ladies at all? This is a thought that has crossed the mind of AntiFeministMedia more than a few times. And he’s got some ideas about how it could be done.
As he points out in this comment, men have known all along that ladies is trouble. But now, thanks to superior male brains, we finally have the technology to do something about it. Today, fleshlights! Tomorrow, the womb!
Men have known women are the problem right throughout history, and to deny it just goes to show how ignorant and stupid you are.
Religion’s, culture’s, all have there warnings about women.
And all these things will be known again. The dots will be joined, and its my hope that after this current fuck up of allowing feminism to take root, men will never allow it again.
I actually think its time men went foreward alone. We have the hi-technology now to clone little boys into the future, soon we will have female androids with artificial wombs. Identical to women in almost every way, except for the animal nature…
Women should be replaced by better technology.
Consider the many fine benefits of this plan:
If men didnt have to live in this human-female environment, but instead was guaranteed in having his sexual needs met, and his genes live on into the future, there would be a lot less conflict of all kinds.
This two-party system of male and female has served its purpose (in the most brutal way), we are rapidly approaching a time where things could be radically different.
Tell me more about this brave new world of which you speak, in which men can live their lives free of bitches:
Cloning science and female androids may just solve that woman problem for us.
I wouldnt advocate killing women, certainly not, but a gradual fade-out, allow women to live out their natural lives, while we transition to the new technology.
No need for anything as unpleasant as killing, no. Just the elimination of one gender by the other through a little “fade-out,” like they have in the movies. Nothing objectionable about this, not at all.
If you’ve followed any of these links back to the original comments, you’ll see that AntiFeministMedia, like most truly original thinkers, has gotten some resistance to his ideas — even from the normally forward-looking thinkers of the Men’s Rights subreddit. And a few downvotes!
But some of his comments are so clearly and obviously correct, so pithy and wise, that they get upvotes. Like this one, suggesting that female demand for iPads and mobile phones is one of the central driving forces behind war:
Well its nice to hear her comment that western women themselves have been complicit in foreign wars and the rape of native women by soldiers, so that companies can obtain gold and other precious metals for Ipads and moble phones which women seem to like so much.
Oh you evil women with your iPads and mobile phones! We men are of course immune to the devilish allure of computer technology. Indeed, I’m typing this blog post on an old Smith-Corona Galaxie Portable Typewriter.
You are not making sense. Where, besides your powers of observation, is the evidence for this man shortage?
Why do feminist women need to reach out to these men? Wouldn’t non-feminist women be more to their liking?
Do you honestly think all women want to get married? Hint: they don’t.
@Wanderer:
Artificial wombs can be used to gestate embryos that have been made in vitro. But they can’t just “replace” women, because without having a lot of X chromosomes floating around in the gene pool, humans would continuously lose genetic variability and end up ‘inbred’ and riddled with genetic disease. The Y has fewer genes on it than the X, and much less variability. Men are more susceptible to sex-linked disease because they lack a second X chromosome. If you’re interested in understanding why, google “random X inactivation” and “Barr bodies”… Embryonic stem cells don’t bypass this little problem.
Okay, Samael, lemme just throw something out there.
For now, why don’t you avoid bringing up what “many women” do. Because even if almost every woman in the world acted like that, you’re probably not going to find any of them here in this community where a majority of the commenters are feminists. For example: It’s true that dating culture these days puts the onus on men to ask women out, but feminism wants to make it the norm for anyone to ask anyone out because the mainstream movement is about breaking down arbitrary gender roles.
And stop sliding between “women” and “feminists” as if they’re synonymous. Not all feminists are women, and not all women are feminists.
Also, if you’re going to tell us what feminists do, give us a goddamn link to prove it. You say feminists use gay and wimp as insults to gender-police non-masculine men; the reason all of us are so skeptical about that is because, as mentioned before, feminism is against arbitrary limitations on one’s behavior based on gender. There may be a handful of bigots out there who grab the feminism label while gender-policing the shit out of everyone (not that you’ve even managed to show us any of them), but it’s not like the majority of feminists are doing something so radically against one of our core beliefs.
Whoops, above was to Samuel, not Samael. Damn you, distracting Silent Hill fan theories!
@ozymandias42
“I think the point of the Manboobz Challenge is that it is an extremely low bar, and the manosphere still can’t pass it. We’re not asking for “feminist”, we’re asking for “does not hate women, has ideas that vaguely resemble Earth-One reality.”
The “bar” as you put it might be set low but when you decide what constitutes hatred of women, the “bar” becomes pedestal worthy.
If I say men and women think and act differently due to biology, while you say gender is a construct, I automatically become a misogynist, (hatred of women). Only 100% agreement with anything any woman says or does will even be considered as non-hatred of women.
My “Earth-One reality” consists of biology and facts, while your “Earth-One reality” consists of ideology and what any woman feels is true at any particular moment in time.
It’s a bit of a lose/lose propostion when any disagreement equals hatred of women.
Hellkell You asked about a link to the “man shortage” Here is a great article froma reputable source. Although it deals with the “man shortage” amongst the younger generation I felt it is actually more relevant inasmuch as the fact that many, good Alpha Bachelor men are boycotting women or on a marriage strike. This will affect the future. Hellkell give me your feedback on this article? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=2&adxnnlx=1313256983-Dvxj5H2YAcS1ervvOHW9QA
the article makes good observations on how a man shortage affects women.
But but, I thought all women now are sluts who don’t care about marriage? That “the family” had already fallen apart because of feminism? So why would this “man strike” bother women-feminists at all?
And NWO, you are a biologist like I am a frickin’ circus performer. I’d love to see you *try* to make an actual biological argument about something. And I don’t mean linking to Ray Baumeister quotes, I mean hitting us with some actual data… please! I need to laugh today.
Samuel: While there is some aspect of self-interpretation to mockery… what is it that Kristn saying that one has to work to get sex and that there are asexual women who want a romantic relationship is mocking?
And dude… you don’t think telling the women here that you don’t understand women because, They scream and complain that men are pigs and rapists and need sex all the time. and then you blame this for “a lot of men” choosing abstinence.
I don’t think this shows that you are doing it out of respect for women. You are throwing in the towel because you can’t figure out how to play the game.
Honestly, I don’t think you are trying to, “reach out to feminists” to build bridges, but rather to learn how to get laid.
Because I don’t know these feminists you say you keep encountering. I read about them (a lot) at MRA/PUA/anti-feminists websites, and in “traditiona-minded social reactionaries (e.g the Family Research Council).
Since when is a skewed gender ratio on campuses a “man shortage”? I went to a school with a 60/40 female-male split, and I didn’t have any trouble dating guys… I rather enjoyed myself, in fact.
But as long as we’re linking to Op-Ed and Lifestyle pieces in newsmags…Here’s one with some data: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2046035,00.html
It seems that men want to get married as much, if not more, than women do. And their incentives are greater for doing so.
“My “Earth-One reality” consists of biology and facts, while your “Earth-One reality” consists of ideology and what any woman feels is true at any particular moment in time.”
I’m pretty sure Earth-One reality is the one the Justice League comes from. That’s Pre-Crisis, anyway.
Oh man, I’m always late to the party. Re. ballgame’s assertion that Glenn Sacks is a reasonable MRA …
This is a fascinating piece. The reasonable MRA harassed an abused family and protected the abuser, saying things like, “If a woman takes a mans kids away from him because he is beating them then the woman should be punished in the most deplorable manner; such as being gang raped and thrown into prison.”
Feyline wrote For example: It’s true that dating culture these days puts the onus on men to ask women out, but feminism wants to make it the norm for anyone to ask anyone out because the mainstream movement is about breaking down arbitrary gender roles.
This is a huge issue for a lot of men. A lot of good men out there(especially introverted men who may not have the “charm” the gift of gab). Are devastated by having the onus put on them to ask a girl out-to risk rejection. I mean if feminism (I prefer the term equalism) is supposedly about the welfare of both women and men, why can’t women start asking men out now. It is 2011. I am sure many men would be flattered(think about the Handsome man who is a good person as well inside but he is shy. Cmon feminists it is time you start asking guys out?
You cannot care for equal rights for women while still putting the onus on men to risk rejection and ask the women out. This is why so many mgtow men have bailed out on women and marriage and become monks. They are frustrated at the double standard.’
@Feyline
“because the mainstream movement is about breaking down arbitrary gender roles.”
The reason why there are distinct gender roles is because men and women are different. Society didn’t make up gender roles as the failed ideology of feminism and MSM promote. If you want to blame some force for gender roles, nature is the culprit.
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“And stop sliding between “women” and “feminists” as if they’re synonymous. Not all feminists are women, and not all women are feminists.”
Yet all women enjoy the luxury of wielding the violence of the State in the patriarchy they’ve created by either actively lobbying for laws or their silence while these laws were created.
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“feminism is against arbitrary limitations on one’s behavior based on gender.”
Which again goes back to a failed ideology based on false indoctrination. You can see differences in infants who couldn’t possibly have been “gender-constructed” by society. Denial of truth is the inherent failure of the warped ideology of feminism.
Um, they can.
You seem to think feminism is the dominant ideology in part of the world. Feminism is not responsible for everything that happens in the world. Feminism is opposed to, and actively works against, a lot of what goes on in the world.
Forced gender-roles, like men being expected to be the pursuers in relationships, are something feminism tries to work against but hasn’t defeated yet.
Honestly, I don’t think you are trying to, “reach out to feminists” to build bridges, but rather to learn how to get laid.
Precenium I have no interest in learning how to get laid. Some MGTOW guys frequent prostitutes if the need sex. If I really wanted to “get laid” I would pretend to be a liberal,soft “Alan Alda” type of guy on this blog. I have had women tell me that they wish I would go toi hell on this blog and cuss me out . I have said some critical comment that I have about women and how they act. That is definitely not trying to get laid. I personally am not part of the PUA movement. I have no comment on that area of MRA’s. However, Many MGTOW guys have stressed celibacy and living like a “monk” as opposed to learning how to get laid.Both are “mens movements just a slight different philosophy to it.
“I have had women tell me that they wish I would go toi hell on this blog and cuss me out .”
Where? Who?
aMiRA: Woman Jailed After Reporting Sexual Assault
Sara Ibrahim says that since the day her little sister Layla was sent to prison, her family has been faced with a simple choice: “Do we give up and just get on with our lives, or do we clear her name? And we’ve decided if it takes the rest of our lives, that’s what we’ll do – we’ll clear her name.”
It was a couple of weeks after she reported being attacked in the early hours of a cold January morning in 2009 that Layla Ibrahim, then 21, noticed a change in the attitude of the police. Yes, the police had documented the injuries to the back of her head and breasts, the black eye, the bleeding from her vagina. They had listened closely as she described the two strangers who attacked her, how the main perpetrator had worn a Nike hoodie, how she thought she had temporarily lost consciousness after being knocked to the ground, how she had felt a “thud” in her vagina but had no clear recollection of what had happened….
It wasn’t Layla who first heard the news her attack was no longer under investigation. Instead, the police contacted her mother at the school in Carlisle where she works as a senior teaching assistant to tell her they suspected Layla of fabricating her story and inflicting the injuries on herself.
“A detective came round and put all these photos of Layla’s hair round the floor and said it looked to them as if she’d walked and cut her hair and dropped it,” says Sandra Allen, Layla’s mother. The DCI told her she thought the injuries to Layla’s knee were suspicious. “I asked her what she meant, and she said, ‘Well, it looks as if Layla just took something and slashed herself on the knee.’ And I said it was winter, she’d fallen, it was iced – why would you think that?”
Layla was told she would be charged with wasting police time if she didn’t drop the case. She refused – after all, she said, she’d been violently attacked. Eventually, the charge was upped to the more serious offence of perverting the course of justice. A year later, in June 2010, Layla – then six months pregnant – was convicted and sentenced to three years.
No one named, no one charged. Evidence lost. The victim pregnant.
And she’s the one in jail.
Yeppers, those women get their own way; all they have to do is say, “He looked at me funny” and the man is put in jail, his life ruined forever.
@NF4ever
“It seems that men want to get married as much, if not more, than women do. And their incentives are greater for doing so.”
Men may want to get married as much/more than women but there is no incentive.
1) Men have no reproductive rights.
2) Men have no sexual rights after marriage. (A woman can deny sex or cheat after marriage and she’d get the same property/wealth/children after a divorce reguardless of denying sex or adultery).
3) Men have no right to any child allowed to live if/when a woman divorces. (Lets not pretend child custody is equal, primary caretaker/woman trumps father every time).
4) If/when divorce occurs men will lose wealth reguardless of who works and they will lose family, (child).
5) Since feminism states women want and enjoy sex willingly, enthusiastically and often without marriage. And since men have no reproductive rights, no rights to sex after marriage, no rights to fidelity after marriage, no rights to property or children after divorce, I fail to see the incentive.
Although you might see the leftist/feminist rag of time magazine as a gospel opinion piece, I don’t.
N4EVER I AM CAPITALIZING TO MAKE A POINT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR CAPITALIZING BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME. MORE MEN ARE IN PRISONS MORE MEN ARE CHOOSING TO STAY BACHELORS (HENCE TE HAPPY BACHELORS,MARRIAGE STRIKE MOVEMENTS AMONGST MEN) NUMBERS WISE THERE MAY BE MORE AVAILABLE MEN BUT A LOT OF THOSE GUYS “MAY DATE’ BUT THERE NOT GETTING MARRIED. I KNOW IN MY OWN LIFE I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO GET MARRIED . MORE MEN ARE IN JAIL,MORE MEN COMMIT SUICIDE HEAR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MORE MEN COMMIT SUICIDE.THE STRESS ON MEN FOR YEARS, IS TAKING A TOLL,GUYS ARE GIVING UP KILLING THEMSELVES. THE SUICIDE RATES FOR MEN HAVE GONE UP DRAMATICALLY IN RECENT YEARS. WOMEN ATTEMPT SUICIDE MORE, MEN COMPLETE IT MORE. MEN ARE DYING YOUNGER FROM HEART DISEASE LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, PROSTRATE CANCER IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR MEN, AND MEN DIE YOUNGER THAN WOMEN. I HAD A FRIEND 40 YRS OLD ALPHA MALE MACHO HE DROPPED DEAD OF A HEART ATTACK,H HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS DEVASTATED.
FEMINISTS, GUYS ARE DYING YOUNGER AND MORE MEN DIE IN ACCIDENTS LIKE AUTOMOBILE,SKIING,SPORTING ACCIDENTS. PLUS WITH THE GROWING BOYCOTT WOMEN MRA MGTOW HAPPY BACHELOR MOVEMENTSS THERE IS A MAN SHORTAGE,LADIES MEN ARE DYING YOUNGER FROM THE HAZARDS OF BEING A MALE, MEN STUFF THEIR FEELING BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD TO BE MACHO MEN DYING YOUNG CREATES A MAN SHORTAGE AND DOES AFFECT ALL PEOPLE INCLUDING FEMINISTS
what is also pertinent is I read a lot of websites about gender related issues inasmuch as i find the topic interesting. I read a lot of women complaining about the “man shortage” the shortage of “”Good Men” out there. Ladies I have read articles on this. I have seen comments from single ladies about the “lack of good men out there” or the “man shortage” or some women have commented that all the god men are either married or gay or monks or whatever. Ladies I have heard this complain from you women? Not men? Can you explain this?
“MEN STUFF THEIR FEELING”
You obviously don’t have that problem.
I’m just wondering, Samuel, is English a second language? You don’t seem to write very naturally.
That’s about colleges. Many colleges have a high female/male ratio because more women are applying to college than men. An issue meriting consideration, surely, but irrelevant to your argument (we might as well link to a study saying it’s hard to find girls at engineering schools, which is true yet also obvious).
In the first place, no matter how much you prefer the term, you’re not in a position to go creating neologisms.
In the second place: Dude. We do. I have asked guys out. I think most of the women here have asked guys out. You can’t hold us responsible if other women don’t ask guys out; we’re not them.
And anyway, if you’re not sure if a woman likes you, why not wait until you are sure? It’s not like there’s a deadline.
“I read a lot of women complaining about the “man shortage” the shortage of “”Good Men” out there. Ladies I have read articles on this. I have seen comments from single ladies about the “lack of good men out there” or the “man shortage” or some women have commented that all the god men are either married or gay or monks or whatever. Ladies I have heard this complain from you women? Not men? Can you explain this?”
Why would straight men be complaining about a man shortage if they’re not interested in dating men? I’ve heard straight men complaining about a woman shortage. I’ve heard gay men complain about a man shortage. I’ve heard lesbians complain about a woman shortage. I think the thing to take away here is that, uh, people like to complain about things.
And, you do know that there’s a difference between being a woman and being a feminist, right?
The minute a man gets married, his standard of living and his life expectancy goes up, in many cases quite drastically. When a woman gets married, both indices go down for her. If she dares to flip the social script and marry a younger man, she is much more likely to die much earlier than she would otherwise. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
I am not going to get married, so I’m not exactly crying in my wheaties about men dropping out of marriage. I don’t care, at all. The rest of the problems you mention- RV accidents, or whatever- are completely within the purview of men. By all means, fix these problems. I can’t fix them for you. Feminists didn’t cause them. Patriarchy did.
“You can see differences in infants…”
There have been all kinds of studies of gender in children. In one rather famous case, researchers set up a room full of toddlers (male and female) all dressed alike, with the same haircut. Adults were no better than a randomized computer sim at guessing the sex of the children. There isn’t a single well-controlled study that I can think of that shows strongly “gendered” behavior in infants. But please, show me one, I’m listening…