The other day we took a look at a Redditor who calls himself AntiFeministMedia. He does not seem to like the ladies very much. Indeed, in some of the posts of his I quoted, he went so far as to say that women are animals, not humans, and suggested that men should pretty much have the final say in anything involving reproduction (as clearly the women have been doing a terrible job of it).
So one might wonder: why have ladies at all? This is a thought that has crossed the mind of AntiFeministMedia more than a few times. And he’s got some ideas about how it could be done.
As he points out in this comment, men have known all along that ladies is trouble. But now, thanks to superior male brains, we finally have the technology to do something about it. Today, fleshlights! Tomorrow, the womb!
Men have known women are the problem right throughout history, and to deny it just goes to show how ignorant and stupid you are.
Religion’s, culture’s, all have there warnings about women.
And all these things will be known again. The dots will be joined, and its my hope that after this current fuck up of allowing feminism to take root, men will never allow it again.
I actually think its time men went foreward alone. We have the hi-technology now to clone little boys into the future, soon we will have female androids with artificial wombs. Identical to women in almost every way, except for the animal nature…
Women should be replaced by better technology.
Consider the many fine benefits of this plan:
If men didnt have to live in this human-female environment, but instead was guaranteed in having his sexual needs met, and his genes live on into the future, there would be a lot less conflict of all kinds.
This two-party system of male and female has served its purpose (in the most brutal way), we are rapidly approaching a time where things could be radically different.
Tell me more about this brave new world of which you speak, in which men can live their lives free of bitches:
Cloning science and female androids may just solve that woman problem for us.
I wouldnt advocate killing women, certainly not, but a gradual fade-out, allow women to live out their natural lives, while we transition to the new technology.
No need for anything as unpleasant as killing, no. Just the elimination of one gender by the other through a little “fade-out,” like they have in the movies. Nothing objectionable about this, not at all.
If you’ve followed any of these links back to the original comments, you’ll see that AntiFeministMedia, like most truly original thinkers, has gotten some resistance to his ideas — even from the normally forward-looking thinkers of the Men’s Rights subreddit. And a few downvotes!
But some of his comments are so clearly and obviously correct, so pithy and wise, that they get upvotes. Like this one, suggesting that female demand for iPads and mobile phones is one of the central driving forces behind war:
Well its nice to hear her comment that western women themselves have been complicit in foreign wars and the rape of native women by soldiers, so that companies can obtain gold and other precious metals for Ipads and moble phones which women seem to like so much.
Oh you evil women with your iPads and mobile phones! We men are of course immune to the devilish allure of computer technology. Indeed, I’m typing this blog post on an old Smith-Corona Galaxie Portable Typewriter.
Ballgame:
Her reading comprehension and extrapolation are spot on though. Perhaps if you stopped walking around with those goalposts…
Why thank you. He’s a textbook example of the Scott Adams: “You’re just too stupid to understand what I’m saying!”
I have read many MRA and MGTOW posts on many sites. None of them are moderate or logical. Many are just plain nuts.
If it is your absurd contention that people like Glenn Sacks, John Franklin, and Francis Baumli are not Men’s Rights Activists, amandajane5, then there’s little mystery as to why no one has been able to meet ‘the challenge.’
The power went out for 3 hours. I blame feminism xD
I was ABOUT to ask this before feminist terrorist took out power in order to stop men in my area from being able to look at porn online…
Can somebody explain to me the Amanda Marcotte hate? o_O Like the MRAs who show up put her in the same breath as Andrea Dworkin… (in fact sometimes it seems like they’re the only 2 feminists they know xD ). I mean even the WoC who cant’ stand her don’t consider her a radical feminist, or an extreme one. My exps w/ her is about the Seal Press blow up (which is why I dun read her) and one piece I saw in a Canadian newspaper that was v good in response to Naomi Wolf and her victim-blaming crap (when she was defending Assange). She’s never seemed to me (and again I dun rly read her except when she shows up accidentally in my sphere of reading) like a transphobic of nething feminist like some of the 2nd wavers, or some of the rad fems. I mean I would think they’d go after Heart to point to or something…
So why do ppl put Marcotte on the same level as the transphobic rad fems and Dworkin and Daly and etc? :3 I’m srsly wondering cuz this keeps coming up o_O
NWOslave do you believe you (and all adults) should have the right to sleep with a 15 year old?
If not, so you then disavow everything you said before? :3
So, this fella thinks that men are violent because they aren’t getting their sexual needs met.
Well, lets take a look at that. Many a warlord/dictator/conquering barbarian had many many women to have sex with. Didn’t make them less violent.
I know it’s crazy to try and use a logical argument with these types, but I can’t help myself.
The power went out for 3 hours. I blame feminism xD
It’s MEN who make electricity work! And magnets!
It’s MEN who make electricity work! And magnets!
If only we knew how magnets work.
Ballgame, please correct me if I am wrong, but am I to understand that the only moderate, non-hateful MRAs you can think of are three guys? Glenn (hey everyone, let’s call up the donors to a anti-DV shelter to convince them not to donate) Sacks and another guy associated with Fathers and Families.
And the other guy is someone who is never ever ever mentioned by anyone in the MRM online and who is most known for his writings and activism back in the 1980s, and for his long-time association with The National Coalition For Men.
Here’s the group’s web site: http://ncfm.org/
It’s a group that tries it’s best to look reasonable, but it links to some hateful shit, and runs cartoons like this:
http://ncfm.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/angry-woman-yelling-schmuck.jpg
Very subtle.
And this:
http://ncfm.org/2011/05/uncategorized/just-lie-doing-so-is-a-womans-prerogative/
And this bizarre rant, attacking the “Woman Industry” and its “operatives”:
http://ncfm.org/2011/04/uncategorized/the-dildo-bandito-crystal-mangum-and-nifong-nuts/
And this, mocking campaigns to raise awareness of DV and rape:
http://ncfm.org/2011/04/uncategorized/what-month-is-it-on-your-feminist-calendar/
And it ran a portion of this blog post:
http://justamanwriting.blogspot.com/2011/06/when-lunatics-run-asylum.html
You might want to scroll on down to the part of the post where he imagines a father “driven” to murder his family by the evil feminists and the family courts:
Ballgame, if these guys are really the best of the bunch, I don’t know what to say.
Poles attracting and repelling … you can’t explain that! Just like the tides!
I’d like to point out that in super-feminist China we also have girls being kidnapped and sold because of the demand for wives.
And then there’s that ultra-feminist paradise India with it’s super progressive ritual of widow burning …
But no, they’re totally fymynyst because there’s a cultural pressure to ABORT rather than just have the girl and neglect her. Abortion = grrrl pwr!!!eleventy-two
Ami, I think they hate Marcotte because she tends to not mince words. She’s a bit acidic and not at all coddling. Her opinions aren’t different from other popular online feminists; it’s more about her tone – the way she says things rather than what she says.
Obviously, there are aditional problems with her stuff: like the race-thing. She also tends to jump to the worst conclusions about people she disagrees with. I don’t regularly read Pandagon anymore because of that (I also disagree with her a lot of pop culture stuff). That said, she got me into feminism back in high school.
So it’s similar to the reason some ppl hate Rutee so much even tho Rutee doesn’t say nething different from other ppl here? xD
I think so, yeah.
Also, apparently she didn’t handle the Duke lacrosse rape thing very well? I wasn’t around for that, but that’s something that a lot of MRAs tend to mention, anyway.
Also, I can name a hell of a lot more than three reasonable and non-hateful feminists, ranging from Melissa McEwan and Sady Doyle to Kurt Cobain and my mom.
And Catiecat from Shakesville! I know her IRL! 😀
As far as I can tell, MRAs hate Amanda Marcotte almost entirely because of the Duke Lacrosse thing. She was one of the most vocal bloggers against the Duke guys, and she’s never apologized for it. I don’t think most MRA guys know anything else about Amanda or Pandagon. They turn up in droves to yell about Duke Lacrosse whenever Pandagon runs a post about the MRA movement or the pickup artist community.
Also, Amanda’s funny and blunt, two qualities guaranteed to piss off misogynists.
So, David, a couple of questions:
1. Do you acknowledge that Glenn Sacks, John Franklin, and Francis Baumli are Men’s Rights Activists, and that amandajane5 was incorrect in claiming that my earlier answer was “not on topic”?
2. When I said, “Francis Baumli,” did you interpret that to mean “… and any organization he’s associated with”? Because that’s what your response here suggests. So let me clarify: when I said, “Francis Baumli,” I meant, “Francis Baumli” … not the National Coalition of Free Men, which I’m well aware has tolerated some noxious members. So unless you can show any of those articles or cartoons were penned by Francis Baumli, they don’t address my point, which was: I have not seen Glenn Sacks, John Franklin, or Francis Baumli say or write hateful, bigoted things (though they’ve certainly said or done things I disagree with).
Just as a reminder, my original assertion was simply, “there are … MRAs who say thoughtful, insightful things, and feminists who say hateful, bigoted things.” I never claimed that the MRA movement as a whole was Great Stuff Full of Joy and Wisdom. There’s a reason I don’t self-identify as an MRA, after all.
The whole deal about “MRAs who never say hateful, bigoted things” was a (somewhat mild) goalpost shift from Holly, which I took up because at that point in the conversation I was still assuming a good faith discussion was possible here. And she asked for “examples,” not a comprehensive listing of sufficient length to convince the Man Boobz commentariat that they’ve been totally wrong about MRAs all these years, and that they actually poop rainbows. Had those been the goalposts, David, I would have demurred.
And if this whole “Find me 10 good MRAs!” schtick is to continue, we’re going to have to first come to a mutually acceptable definition of what an MRA is (i.e. do only self-identified MRA qualify, etc.).
There was also a big thing about her allegedly anti-Catholic statements.
She made some joke about God’s holy sperm impregnating the Virgin Mary in one of her posts. When she was on John Edward’s campaign sometime later (and apropos of nothing, what the hell? I was rooting for that guy!), professional victim Bill Donohue of the Catholic League got wind of it and made a big stink.
Personally, as a not very big fan of religion, and Catholicism in particular (being an ex-Catholic myself), I couldn’t care less.
That was a goalpost shift by Holly, but I think it was her trying to lower the bar… she’s not asking for amazing, thoughtful MRAs, just ones that don’t say hateful things :3 She’s always said her challenge was a low bar, so I dun think it’s her trying to make it difficult, but easier xD
Oh I just noticed that you were confused about my thing about you and Marcotte :3
It’s just that I didn’t know you were Clarence. Now that I do, things you said make sense is all :3
Oh and just for fun about the OP :3 (cuz I was teh bored)
http://priyankasblog.com/gender-gap-in-mobile-phone-ownership/
http://www.mobileactive.org/files/file_uploads/ICTD2010%20Blumenstock%20et%20al.pdf
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-only-business-men-use-cell-phones-more-than-women
http://www.cellphonesinlearning.com/2010/03/cell-phone-ownership-by-age-gender.html
it seems to be that cellphone ownership is equal in the US, and more men use it in developing countries, and men use cellphones more in general xD
So… why does he seem to believe that only women use cellphones? xD
Huh???
I’m not “Clarence.” If you’re talking about the same Clarence who posts over at FC and NSWATM on occasion, he and I do strongly see eye-to-eye on some issues … but we have profound disagreements on others. (From what I can gather, he’s an economic libertarian, while I’m a democratic socialist.)
That may very well be, Ami. I wasn’t assuming ill intent on Holly’s part. I do think the shift does make the challenge harder in one way (i.e. the whole ‘trying to prove a negative’ thing), but I can see how it’s intended to be easier in others.
Oh! I misinterpreted Ellish’s comment xD I thought she said you were the same person. She was saying that you’re both from the same place and now you’ve followed him here xD
My apologies 😀
You just sound v similar xD
But I have never heard him speak on economic libertarianism! 😀 Or you on democratic socialism xD