MGTOWers have such a way with words. Here’s MrLahey on MGTOWforums explaining his movement in a nutshell:
[W]e’re voting with our feet, and the best way to say no to the cunted circus is to stop feeding it with your participation.
They’ll only notice you when they’re short your money.
“Cunted circus.” Lovely. I will be working it into as many conversations as I dare. Assuming I can figure out how to use it in a sentence. Can you?
(I’m taking off the “cunt” filter for the occasion.)
Erm, I think I’m a bit out of the loop, but is there something to Samuel’s grammar and punctuation?
@Samuel
I’m honestly finding it difficult to parse your last post, or even determine whether it was directed towards me.
Do you want me to start a blog… because MGTOWs being called names doesn’t really matter? (“So they were just words. No one can throw rocks in cyberspace.”) If words don’t matter, why were you complaining that MGTOWs were being derided wherever they go?
“Even if you as a woman reached just 1 man just 1 mgtow and made an impact, you’ve. given a human being hope…”
Sure, reaching someone is great. Accepting bad behavior in the interest of persuading them? Not always so great. One of the biggest factors in figuring out whether you can reach someone is how honest they are dealing with you. If they aren’t being honest, you aren’t gonna reach them.
Samuel: If these MGTWs and MRAs want t talk to women, nothing is stopping them.
They could start a blog*. Like I said, if they want me to meet them halfway, they better start moving toward me.
*A lot of them have. We talk about them in this very place. If they don’t like our reactions, they can change what they say/believe. If, however, those are their sincere beliefs (and I have no reason to think they aren’t), they can expect to get my sincere response.
@Ozy:
Aww man, you spoiled the big reveal! I was gonna revel in the misgendering a little longer, it happens so rarely! I never get to have any fun… *harumph*
Oh, no, the “it’s just words” argument? It’s “just words” if someone tells me, “I’m going to stick a knife through your eye socket.”
Personally, I dislike being called a “mangina”, “white knight” or “pussy beggar”. Not only are these insults and shaming tactics, they’re… pretty stupid. They tend to reflect badly on the people who use them. I’m not terribly interested in dialogue with such people, oddly enough.
Holly Kirby Percunium, Ozy, I am being bold I am trying to start a blog myself then, Ozy did it. I just spoke with an MGTOW guy and he said every time he tried to make a comment or contact the women who began the feminist blog he never gets responsed.
He gave up. He said his attempt to make a point with the particular female was a valid topic nothing abusive and absolutely no response.
Well if many of these MGTOW do not want to deal with feminist women without mocking and profaning women, the I’ll take responsibility. Someones got to do it. I may get abused, mocked,hated, but someones got to do it.
As far as saying I hate women. I have my anger issues and strong opinions about mens welfare and MGTOW but Hate and love are almost the same emotion. There was a movie with Martin Lawrence called ” A thin line between love and hate. We all humans men and women still have our issues.Only by being courageous can we work on them. If you females want to join me on this mission email me [email protected] you told me to walk the talk, now I tell you feminist females to walk the talk.
Well. I’d say that’s most of your problem, right there.
@ Samuel,
So your example of a MGTOW being insulted and abused by feminist bloggers/commenters is someone who was ignored?
And now you’re going to bravely pick up the mantle of dealing with feminists (and such horrible abuse online) by saying that you’re open to dialogue with feminists, but not say what you want to discuss? Other than apparently telling us to be nicer to random guys on the internet. Hmmm.
@ Samuel,
So your example of a MGTOW being insulted and abused by feminist bloggers/commenters is someone who was ignored?
And now you’re going to bravely pick up the mantle of dealing with feminists (and such horrible abuse online) by saying that you’re open to dialogue with feminists, but not say what you want to discuss? Other than apparently telling us to be nicer to random guys on the internet. Hmmm.
Samuel, if you want to start a feminist MGTOW blog (???), start it. Blogspot blogs are free. You don’t need a bunch of women (you know, those people MGTOWs supposedly won’t even talk to) to do it for you.
Oooh, does this mean I’m still female in his eyes, and Percunium[sic] is as well? Awesome.
Holly Said” Samuel, if you want to start a feminist MGTOW blog (???), start it. Blogspot blogs are free. You don’t need a bunch of women (you know, those people MGTOWs supposedly won’t even talk to) to do it for you”
I know how to start a blog I am making inroads as an MGTOW. Some Feminist here quoted that she as a Feminist would reach out to MGTOW but they have to meet her halfway.(look at the above quote). I am trying to meet halfway. Forget I’ll start my own blog. I know how to do it. My purpose is to start a blog but I have men friends to help me. I am NOT asking for feminists to help me. Ozymandias stated feminism can help MRA”S. If you choose not to as a women That is fine by me. I DO NOT need your help. I just feel like you women on here (not all) are basically telling me to go away and never ever come back on this board ever gain and you want nothing to do with me. I can suck it up. I’ll leave you alone here female feminists and go away.
It’s fine if you leave.
But don’t you try to sell this as “the women drove me away! they didn’t want to be friends!”
Because it’s been exquisitely unclear just exactly what you wanted us to do. Do we have to write for your blog to not-drive-you-away? Do we have to say “we love MGTOWs!” Or what?
You keep saying you want to talk to feminists; well, there’s feminists here. What do you want to talk about?
From this blog? Show me.
Stop pouting because you have to do your own homework. And did you read what Ozy said, above?
Samuel, something sounds very familiar about these guys you’re describing, but I can’t put my finger on it. They have white collar jobs, make lots of money, pay lots of attention to their bodies, eat a healthy diet and are handsome, and yet don’t treat women very well or think of them as people…
Oh, now I remember!
Holly said “It’s fine if you leave.
But don’t you try to sell this as “the women drove me away! they didn’t want to be friends!”
Because it’s been exquisitely unclear just exactly what you wanted us to do. Do we have to write for your blog to not-drive-you-away? Do we have to say “we love MGTOWs!” Or what?
You keep saying you want to talk to feminists; well, there’s feminists here. What do you want to talk about?”
I’m here because you asked me a question, Holly, so I think I should answer. Forget it you do NOT have say “we love mgtow’s” or write on anyone’s blog. I can set up my own blog and if anyone wants to contribute male or female that is okay. If it is just mra men who want to contribute that is okay with me.
As far as what I want you to say as feminists? I am not sure that is up to you. Just Be honest express yourself with appropriate anger. There is a way to disagree without abuse. You also do not have to say anything. I think I am trying to meet “halfway: by inviting feminists.
Or perhaps these online gender forums are just a waste anyway. I do not think so. This forum impacted me to try to make a difference between mra and feminists. If I did not see this forum ever I may not have heard the feminist viewpoint. Holly I am familiar that blogs are free. I guess as people suggested here, I’ll check out your blog( I guess rather than being ignorant). I’ll see the material on your blog and see what you are actually accomplishing with your blog. What do you want Holly from MGTOWS Holly? Your always asking me what do I want?
Samuel: The person who said that (about MGTOWs needing to meet me halfway, is me.
I am not a woman, fond though I may be of frilly collars
This default assumption that all feminists are women… not the best idea.
See, when I go to the MGTOW blogs, I do get abuse. Not mockery for content, but personal invective, and accusations of dishonesty/betrayal of my fellow men.
I’ve been called a mangina, a white night, a castrated bitch licking up to my feminine masters in the vain hope that I’ll get laid, a girly-man, a wimp.
I’ve been told the only reason I support feminism is that it’s the only hope an omega like me has for getting laid. I’ve been told I’m too stupid to see the vast female conspiracy to castrate and disenfranchise men, so they can invert the natural order of things and be the dominant players in the matriarchy they have already created.
Look at the folks in the recent threads, RB, chuckeedee, NWO, and the ways in which they interact. Then look at the level of response they get.
Then show me where you were mocked and abused; for being a man.
Then explain why I should be doing more than I am? How is it that I need to be more fair to men who say I am less than a man, maybe even less than human, because I dare to say that women are people too?
Just Be honest express yourself with appropriate anger.</i
Doing that.
There is a way to disagree without abuse.
Doing that.
I think I am trying to meet “halfway: by inviting feminists.
Inviting us to WHAT? Is there an issue you’d like to discuss?
What do you want Holly from MGTOWS Holly? Your always asking me what do I want?
Okay… I want equal pay for equal work. I want equal respect for women who present masculine and women who present “slutty.” I want law enforcement to take domestic violence and sexual assault seriously and stop victim-blaming and attacker-excusing. I want women to have an equal voice in politics, academia, and the media. I want pretty much every human being who hasn’t done anything wrong to have an equal chance at succeeding in life and to be treated with equal respect. I also want to not ever read another article on “men spread their sperm, and women look for a provider!”
…Shall I go on?
Oh, okay, I also want to not have people act like it’s a totally valid life choice to “go their own way” from an entire gender. If a MGTOW continues to identify as a MGTOW, I don’t really have anything to say to him, because the very concept is kind of an insult to women who didn’t choose to be women.
Samuel, one of the reasons it’s frustrating to discuss things with you is that you don’t answer questions. I and several others have asked for specific examples of:
1) MGTOWers who don’t hate women. You said there were some on Happy Bachelors. Could you point me to one of them by name? Or to a comment thread or two on that site — or any other MGTOW site — that isn’t filled with hatred of women?
2) An MGTOWer going to a feminist site and trying to discuss things civilly and being driven off by insults and abuse.
I honestly spend a lot of time reading MGTOW sites. I have never run across an MGTOWer who didn’t hate women. True, some of them say they only hate women from “the west” and that Asian women are much better, but, seriously, hating an entire hemisphere of women counts as hating women in my book. (David K. Meller also claims to love real women, but, uh, he doesn’t.)
Samuel is starting to remind me of YOHAMI and his “snake” thing (basically, that if you get hostility from women it’s b/c women are emotional creatures who can’t parse logic and they think you’re a “snake”, so the way to get them on your side and realize you are right is to suck up to them, be super duper nice and claim to be understanding and women will realize you’re not a threat and then realize you’re right) xD
Suddenly he’s a feminist? xD Also he speaks for all MGTOWers? o_O
How come everything is so confidential w/ you? All the MGTOW sites are not indicative b/c ppl sekritly mail you all the good stuff (and their pictures! xD ) and now you’re claiming that a feminist here emailed you a death threat? o_O Who is it?
Apparently, there’s this entire Samunderworld that’s going on xD
Yes some of them could be the equivalent of the angry feminist who bashes men.
Actually, the stuff I’ve seen of MGTOWers… even if they’re the “extreme” and they’re just rly hurt, seems RLY way past what I’ve seen from “angry feminist who bashes men”, even rape survivors (as I said I’m in a locked safe space comm where ppl rage about this)… I’ve seen screaming about rape culture, and angry posts about being victim blamed, and about their rapists, and how much they hate their rapists, or narratives in the media about victim blaming and other s-… but I have not seen any say they hate ALL men, or want to destroy men, kill men, separate from men and watch them rot, replace men w/ robots, etc etc… -_- (and yus I know, there’s some Eve bit first thing out there I think? o_O But “equivalent of the angry feminist who bashes men” makes it sound like this is also normal for angry feminists.. and that hasn’t been my exp. xD
Neways,
Before we get to your blog idea (w/e that is, you’re rly bad at explaining what you mean and details xD ) how about you answer Pecunium and David?
Where are these sites filled w/ reasonable MGTOWers? :3
And also, as for “reaching out” to them, why don’t YOU do that? You’re the one they’re all emailing, and the one they trust w/ their pictures and stuff that nobody else can see on the sites, and you keep saying they’re talking to you RIGHT NOW. So forget the blog, why don’t YOU tell them that women aren’t their enemy and that you know that they’ve been hurt by women but rhetoric about wanting to hurt us or kill us w/e isn’t the way to go? :] Talk to them, and if they’re as reasonable and intelligent as you say, and you have an in w/ them on email, hopefully we’ll see a change in the MGTOW rhetoric :]
“Well, anyway, when you combine the Gallup poll’s current figures for US underemployment and underemployment, it works out to 26.8%. That is, more than a quarter of the US workforce is either working below capacity or is completely idle. That has hurt the economy, of course, but it has hardly collapsed. And the “Galters” think that the disappearance of less than 1% of the workforce would collapse it? That’s sheer lunacy.”
The 25% are the plebes. The looters. The leeches. That 1% is the Great People that makes society run.
I don’t make this shit up, to believe in Ayn Rand’s bullshit you have to earnestly think that history comes down to a few great people, not societies as a whole. Those are far, FAR more important, than a few great people.
“As far as what I want you to say as feminists? I am not sure that is up to you. Just Be honest express yourself with appropriate anger. There is a way to disagree without abuse. You also do not have to say anything. I think I am trying to meet “halfway: by inviting feminists.”
Taking bets that ‘appropriate anger’ means never being angry because women aren’t really that put upon.
Oh right, I forgot another thing I was gonna say. xD
This holding up Ozymandias as the perfect feminist is pretty creepy xD Nice try tho, w/ trying to play the “why can’t you be more like zir” thing xD Esp since you’re also strawing zir a lot, and slowly changing how you represent zir to try to draw us in. Ozymandias wasn’t trying to reach out to MRAs, zir point was that MRAs and MGTOW weren’t doing nething for men’s rights, and so zie and others were going to right about men’s issues and issues that harm and hurt men (and often women too). xD
Oh, I’d feel a lot better about your good faith and the good faith of the other MGTOWers btw if you would get them (and you) to contribute to my Safe Space Project :]
Also contribute to the 2nd part (the questionnaire) :]
Given that there are so many MGTOWers, having them participate could rly help w/ the contributions and hopefully will increase the list dramatically :]
I’m still disappointed my Gravitar pic won’t show. 🙁
cynickal: I see a skull in a hat, with some sort of coat.
I also see a skull in a hat – maybe toss your cookies?