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I think we have a new [NSFW] catchphrase!

A You-know-whatted Circus in action.

MGTOWers have such a way with words. Here’s MrLahey on MGTOWforums explaining his movement in a nutshell:

[W]e’re voting with our feet, and the best way to say no to the cunted circus is to stop feeding it with your participation.

They’ll only notice you when they’re short your money.

“Cunted circus.” Lovely. I will be working it into as many conversations as I dare. Assuming I can figure out how to use it in a sentence. Can you?

(I’m taking off the “cunt” filter for the occasion.)

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kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Erm, I think I’m a bit out of the loop, but is there something to Samuel’s grammar and punctuation?

@Samuel

I’m honestly finding it difficult to parse your last post, or even determine whether it was directed towards me.

Do you want me to start a blog… because MGTOWs being called names doesn’t really matter? (“So they were just words. No one can throw rocks in cyberspace.”) If words don’t matter, why were you complaining that MGTOWs were being derided wherever they go?

“Even if you as a woman reached just 1 man just 1 mgtow and made an impact, you’ve. given a human being hope…”

Sure, reaching someone is great. Accepting bad behavior in the interest of persuading them? Not always so great. One of the biggest factors in figuring out whether you can reach someone is how honest they are dealing with you. If they aren’t being honest, you aren’t gonna reach them.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Samuel: If these MGTWs and MRAs want t talk to women, nothing is stopping them.

They could start a blog*. Like I said, if they want me to meet them halfway, they better start moving toward me.

*A lot of them have. We talk about them in this very place. If they don’t like our reactions, they can change what they say/believe. If, however, those are their sincere beliefs (and I have no reason to think they aren’t), they can expect to get my sincere response.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@Ozy:

Aww man, you spoiled the big reveal! I was gonna revel in the misgendering a little longer, it happens so rarely! I never get to have any fun… *harumph*

mediumdave
10 years ago

Oh, no, the “it’s just words” argument? It’s “just words” if someone tells me, “I’m going to stick a knife through your eye socket.”

Personally, I dislike being called a “mangina”, “white knight” or “pussy beggar”. Not only are these insults and shaming tactics, they’re… pretty stupid. They tend to reflect badly on the people who use them. I’m not terribly interested in dialogue with such people, oddly enough.

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

Holly Kirby Percunium, Ozy, I am being bold I am trying to start a blog myself then, Ozy did it. I just spoke with an MGTOW guy and he said every time he tried to make a comment or contact the women who began the feminist blog he never gets responsed.
He gave up. He said his attempt to make a point with the particular female was a valid topic nothing abusive and absolutely no response.
Well if many of these MGTOW do not want to deal with feminist women without mocking and profaning women, the I’ll take responsibility. Someones got to do it. I may get abused, mocked,hated, but someones got to do it.
As far as saying I hate women. I have my anger issues and strong opinions about mens welfare and MGTOW but Hate and love are almost the same emotion. There was a movie with Martin Lawrence called ” A thin line between love and hate. We all humans men and women still have our issues.Only by being courageous can we work on them. If you females want to join me on this mission email me cleopas1028@aol.com you told me to walk the talk, now I tell you feminist females to walk the talk.

mediumdave
10 years ago

Hate and love are almost the same emotion.

Well. I’d say that’s most of your problem, right there.

tawaentawaen
10 years ago

@ Samuel,

So your example of a MGTOW being insulted and abused by feminist bloggers/commenters is someone who was ignored?

And now you’re going to bravely pick up the mantle of dealing with feminists (and such horrible abuse online) by saying that you’re open to dialogue with feminists, but not say what you want to discuss? Other than apparently telling us to be nicer to random guys on the internet. Hmmm.

tawaen
10 years ago

@ Samuel,

So your example of a MGTOW being insulted and abused by feminist bloggers/commenters is someone who was ignored?

And now you’re going to bravely pick up the mantle of dealing with feminists (and such horrible abuse online) by saying that you’re open to dialogue with feminists, but not say what you want to discuss? Other than apparently telling us to be nicer to random guys on the internet. Hmmm.

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Samuel, if you want to start a feminist MGTOW blog (???), start it. Blogspot blogs are free. You don’t need a bunch of women (you know, those people MGTOWs supposedly won’t even talk to) to do it for you.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Holly Kirby Percunium, Ozy, …

“If you females want to join me on this mission email me cleopas1028@aol.com you told me to walk the talk, now I tell you feminist females to walk the talk.”

Oooh, does this mean I’m still female in his eyes, and Percunium[sic] is as well? Awesome.

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

Holly Said” Samuel, if you want to start a feminist MGTOW blog (???), start it. Blogspot blogs are free. You don’t need a bunch of women (you know, those people MGTOWs supposedly won’t even talk to) to do it for you”
I know how to start a blog I am making inroads as an MGTOW. Some Feminist here quoted that she as a Feminist would reach out to MGTOW but they have to meet her halfway.(look at the above quote). I am trying to meet halfway. Forget I’ll start my own blog. I know how to do it. My purpose is to start a blog but I have men friends to help me. I am NOT asking for feminists to help me. Ozymandias stated feminism can help MRA”S. If you choose not to as a women That is fine by me. I DO NOT need your help. I just feel like you women on here (not all) are basically telling me to go away and never ever come back on this board ever gain and you want nothing to do with me. I can suck it up. I’ll leave you alone here female feminists and go away.

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

It’s fine if you leave.

But don’t you try to sell this as “the women drove me away! they didn’t want to be friends!”

Because it’s been exquisitely unclear just exactly what you wanted us to do. Do we have to write for your blog to not-drive-you-away? Do we have to say “we love MGTOWs!” Or what?

You keep saying you want to talk to feminists; well, there’s feminists here. What do you want to talk about?

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Mediumdave I am making the effort. I have been mocked cursed at and abused on this forum. A female called wrote to me that she wishes I was dead and would go to hell.

From this blog? Show me.

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

If you choose not to as a women That is fine by me. I DO NOT need your help. I just feel like you women on here (not all) are basically telling me to go away and never ever come back on this board ever gain and you want nothing to do with me. I can suck it up. I’ll leave you alone here female feminists and go away.

Stop pouting because you have to do your own homework. And did you read what Ozy said, above?

Molly Ren
10 years ago

Samuel, something sounds very familiar about these guys you’re describing, but I can’t put my finger on it. They have white collar jobs, make lots of money, pay lots of attention to their bodies, eat a healthy diet and are handsome, and yet don’t treat women very well or think of them as people…

Oh, now I remember!

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

Holly said “It’s fine if you leave.

But don’t you try to sell this as “the women drove me away! they didn’t want to be friends!”

Because it’s been exquisitely unclear just exactly what you wanted us to do. Do we have to write for your blog to not-drive-you-away? Do we have to say “we love MGTOWs!” Or what?

You keep saying you want to talk to feminists; well, there’s feminists here. What do you want to talk about?”

I’m here because you asked me a question, Holly, so I think I should answer. Forget it you do NOT have say “we love mgtow’s” or write on anyone’s blog. I can set up my own blog and if anyone wants to contribute male or female that is okay. If it is just mra men who want to contribute that is okay with me.
As far as what I want you to say as feminists? I am not sure that is up to you. Just Be honest express yourself with appropriate anger. There is a way to disagree without abuse. You also do not have to say anything. I think I am trying to meet “halfway: by inviting feminists.
Or perhaps these online gender forums are just a waste anyway. I do not think so. This forum impacted me to try to make a difference between mra and feminists. If I did not see this forum ever I may not have heard the feminist viewpoint. Holly I am familiar that blogs are free. I guess as people suggested here, I’ll check out your blog( I guess rather than being ignorant). I’ll see the material on your blog and see what you are actually accomplishing with your blog. What do you want Holly from MGTOWS Holly? Your always asking me what do I want?

Pecunium
10 years ago

Samuel: The person who said that (about MGTOWs needing to meet me halfway, is me.

I am not a woman, fond though I may be of frilly collars

This default assumption that all feminists are women… not the best idea.

See, when I go to the MGTOW blogs, I do get abuse. Not mockery for content, but personal invective, and accusations of dishonesty/betrayal of my fellow men.

I’ve been called a mangina, a white night, a castrated bitch licking up to my feminine masters in the vain hope that I’ll get laid, a girly-man, a wimp.

I’ve been told the only reason I support feminism is that it’s the only hope an omega like me has for getting laid. I’ve been told I’m too stupid to see the vast female conspiracy to castrate and disenfranchise men, so they can invert the natural order of things and be the dominant players in the matriarchy they have already created.

Look at the folks in the recent threads, RB, chuckeedee, NWO, and the ways in which they interact. Then look at the level of response they get.

Then show me where you were mocked and abused; for being a man.

Then explain why I should be doing more than I am? How is it that I need to be more fair to men who say I am less than a man, maybe even less than human, because I dare to say that women are people too?

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Just Be honest express yourself with appropriate anger.</i
Doing that.

There is a way to disagree without abuse.
Doing that.

I think I am trying to meet “halfway: by inviting feminists.
Inviting us to WHAT? Is there an issue you’d like to discuss?

What do you want Holly from MGTOWS Holly? Your always asking me what do I want?
Okay… I want equal pay for equal work. I want equal respect for women who present masculine and women who present “slutty.” I want law enforcement to take domestic violence and sexual assault seriously and stop victim-blaming and attacker-excusing. I want women to have an equal voice in politics, academia, and the media. I want pretty much every human being who hasn’t done anything wrong to have an equal chance at succeeding in life and to be treated with equal respect. I also want to not ever read another article on “men spread their sperm, and women look for a provider!”

…Shall I go on?

Oh, okay, I also want to not have people act like it’s a totally valid life choice to “go their own way” from an entire gender. If a MGTOW continues to identify as a MGTOW, I don’t really have anything to say to him, because the very concept is kind of an insult to women who didn’t choose to be women.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Samuel is starting to remind me of YOHAMI and his “snake” thing (basically, that if you get hostility from women it’s b/c women are emotional creatures who can’t parse logic and they think you’re a “snake”, so the way to get them on your side and realize you are right is to suck up to them, be super duper nice and claim to be understanding and women will realize you’re not a threat and then realize you’re right) xD

Suddenly he’s a feminist? xD Also he speaks for all MGTOWers? o_O

How come everything is so confidential w/ you? All the MGTOW sites are not indicative b/c ppl sekritly mail you all the good stuff (and their pictures! xD ) and now you’re claiming that a feminist here emailed you a death threat? o_O Who is it?

Apparently, there’s this entire Samunderworld that’s going on xD

Yes some of them could be the equivalent of the angry feminist who bashes men.

Actually, the stuff I’ve seen of MGTOWers… even if they’re the “extreme” and they’re just rly hurt, seems RLY way past what I’ve seen from “angry feminist who bashes men”, even rape survivors (as I said I’m in a locked safe space comm where ppl rage about this)… I’ve seen screaming about rape culture, and angry posts about being victim blamed, and about their rapists, and how much they hate their rapists, or narratives in the media about victim blaming and other s-… but I have not seen any say they hate ALL men, or want to destroy men, kill men, separate from men and watch them rot, replace men w/ robots, etc etc… -_- (and yus I know, there’s some Eve bit first thing out there I think? o_O But “equivalent of the angry feminist who bashes men” makes it sound like this is also normal for angry feminists.. and that hasn’t been my exp. xD

Neways,

Before we get to your blog idea (w/e that is, you’re rly bad at explaining what you mean and details xD ) how about you answer Pecunium and David?

Where are these sites filled w/ reasonable MGTOWers? :3

And also, as for “reaching out” to them, why don’t YOU do that? You’re the one they’re all emailing, and the one they trust w/ their pictures and stuff that nobody else can see on the sites, and you keep saying they’re talking to you RIGHT NOW. So forget the blog, why don’t YOU tell them that women aren’t their enemy and that you know that they’ve been hurt by women but rhetoric about wanting to hurt us or kill us w/e isn’t the way to go? :] Talk to them, and if they’re as reasonable and intelligent as you say, and you have an in w/ them on email, hopefully we’ll see a change in the MGTOW rhetoric :]

Rutee
Rutee
10 years ago

“Well, anyway, when you combine the Gallup poll’s current figures for US underemployment and underemployment, it works out to 26.8%. That is, more than a quarter of the US workforce is either working below capacity or is completely idle. That has hurt the economy, of course, but it has hardly collapsed. And the “Galters” think that the disappearance of less than 1% of the workforce would collapse it? That’s sheer lunacy.”

The 25% are the plebes. The looters. The leeches. That 1% is the Great People that makes society run.

I don’t make this shit up, to believe in Ayn Rand’s bullshit you have to earnestly think that history comes down to a few great people, not societies as a whole. Those are far, FAR more important, than a few great people.

“As far as what I want you to say as feminists? I am not sure that is up to you. Just Be honest express yourself with appropriate anger. There is a way to disagree without abuse. You also do not have to say anything. I think I am trying to meet “halfway: by inviting feminists.”
Taking bets that ‘appropriate anger’ means never being angry because women aren’t really that put upon.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Oh right, I forgot another thing I was gonna say. xD

This holding up Ozymandias as the perfect feminist is pretty creepy xD Nice try tho, w/ trying to play the “why can’t you be more like zir” thing xD Esp since you’re also strawing zir a lot, and slowly changing how you represent zir to try to draw us in. Ozymandias wasn’t trying to reach out to MRAs, zir point was that MRAs and MGTOW weren’t doing nething for men’s rights, and so zie and others were going to right about men’s issues and issues that harm and hurt men (and often women too). xD

Oh, I’d feel a lot better about your good faith and the good faith of the other MGTOWers btw if you would get them (and you) to contribute to my Safe Space Project :]

Also contribute to the 2nd part (the questionnaire) :]

Given that there are so many MGTOWers, having them participate could rly help w/ the contributions and hopefully will increase the list dramatically :]

cynickal
cynickal
10 years ago

I’m still disappointed my Gravitar pic won’t show. 🙁

Pecunium
10 years ago

cynickal: I see a skull in a hat, with some sort of coat.

amandajane5
10 years ago

I also see a skull in a hat – maybe toss your cookies?

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

Dave Futrelle a lot of these viewpoint are private emails and IM ‘s. On the HB site there is a link for private messages. A lot of guys on mgtow Happy Bachelors respond via im emails. MGTOW guys email each other and IM/skype each other and a lot. I have counseled these guys, I want to be an advocate for these guys a liason for the feminist community.

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

What do you want Holly from MGTOWS Holly? Your always asking me what do I want?
Okay… I want equal pay for equal work. I want equal respect for women who present masculine and women who present “slutty.” I want law enforcement to take domestic violence and sexual assault seriously and stop victim-blaming and attacker-excusing. I want women to have an equal voice in politics, academia, and the media. I want pretty much every human being who hasn’t done anything wrong to have an equal chance at succeeding in life and to be treated with equal respect. I also want to not ever read another article on “men spread their sperm, and women look for a provider!”

Holly I want equal men to be able to cry without being a wimp, I want a man who is trying to be abstinent or celibate not to be called A Faggot. I want a man who is introverted and shy to be able to be considered attractive and desirable as much as a “macho Alpha” I want custody laws to be more fair in the courts. I want the shy kid in high school with Aspargers
to be desirable. I want women to realize not all men are sexual pigs. We do not think about sex all the time. We can control ourselves. We are not sexual pigs. I want men to be able to have a better chance of custody if they choose to be single parents. I want the men who are virgins and shy to not be called Faggots or weirdos. I want men who choose not to have sex and not to objectify women to be celebrated not called a faggot or wimp

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Pecunium
“Treating them as objects instead of people is objectifying women.”

What could be more objectifying than treating a father like an ATM? Feminists love to prattle on endlessly about not being seen as human. A man isn’t capable, worthy or entitled to have equal custody of his own children. Is there anything worse you could do to a man that says you’re not human?
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@ozymandias42
“I have to say, in my experience with MRAs, nearly all of them who show up on feminist websites are… rather deserving… of their insults.”

There’s only one possible reason nearly all MRAs could be deserving of insults; feminists/women are always right. The only time MRAs aren’t deserving of insults is if they agree with feminists/women on any particular topic.
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@mediumdave
“Personally, I dislike being called a “mangina”, “white knight” or “pussy beggar”. Not only are these insults and shaming tactics, they’re… pretty stupid. They tend to reflect badly on the people who use them.”

Yet feminists like yourself feel justified in hurling insults with impunity.
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@tawaen
“So your example of a MGTOW being insulted and abused by feminist bloggers/commenters is someone who was ignored?”

Hardly ignored; the manboobz gang goes out of their way specifically to mock MGTOWers.
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@ozymandias42
“I dunno, personally I’m concentrating my education energy on trying to reach people who don’t already hate women.”

Apparently, anyone who disagrees with anything any feminist says is considered hating women. Do men need to be socially educated? You must think yourself quite the sage to illuminate us lowly men. Do tell us men how to act Ozzy. Save us from slogging about in ignorance. You sound suspiciously like virtually every TV advert. Beautiful, brainy woman saves moronic oaf of a man from his own jackassery. Thank you for educating us Ozzy!

pervocracy
10 years ago

A liaison saying what, exactly?

Well, our dispatch from the feminist side is “Women are human beings exactly like yourselves.”

Tell me how it goes over.

Rutee
Rutee
10 years ago

If these guys are so reasonable in private, why are their public views so obnoxious and vile? And why should I take what you have to say on faith anyway? You’ve clearly demonstrated flawed and horrifically biased views of the vile things MRAs say that we CAN see.

NF4ever
NF4ever
10 years ago

MRAs I can get on board with now and then (minus the rabid conservatism). For example, I think we should be paying more attention to rape perpetrated against men and boys. There are plenty of ways that gender roles harm men, and we should acknowledge that. They’re certainly correct on that basic talking point.

But this MGTOW stuff just makes no sense. I might wish that “all my needs” could get met by a Tyson Beckford lookalike with the brain of Einstein, the creativity of Picasso, and the business sense of Steve Jobs. That I don’t get those wishes (not “needs”, wishes) met in one ideal vision of manhood is not “discrimination”- that’s life. I’m not entitled to any of those things. Because I know that, I’ve never had any huge problems meeting realistic men with whom I have common interests and goals, though. That’s how that works.

How could an adult fail to realize that getting exactly what you want sexually is not a basic right? Other people do not exist to serve your needs. Period. Not difficult to understand. Even if you have little empathy, it seems that some elementary logic should lead you to this conclusion… is education failing MGTOWs or is it a wider cultural problem?

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

A question for the women: Since I previously thought Kirby and mediumdave were women, Do you think men who support feminism have an ulterior motive to get laid? Be honest ladies. Mediumdave and Kirby are men. I did not realize they were men.

Preconium wrote ” Samuel: The person who said that (about MGTOWs needing to meet me halfway, is me),I’ve been told the only reason I support feminism is that it’s the only hope an omega like me has for getting laid. I’ve been told I’m too stupid to see the vast female conspiracy to castrate and disenfranchise men, so they can invert the natural order of things and be the dominant players in the matriarchy they have already created.
I’ve been told the only reason I support feminism is that it’s the only hope an omega like me has for getting laid. I’ve been told I’m too stupid to see the vast female conspiracy to castrate and disenfranchise men, so they can invert the natural order of things and be the dominant players in the matriarchy they have already created.

Dave I am not hear to avoid questions I want to contribute to your blog. There are so many commentators and so much to read that I may overlook some posts.. But I will be more conscientious to answer questions.

Ami I will look on your project website and contribute if it is a worhwhile project/charity

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

Holly btw you asked what do we as mra’s/mgtow want? Here ladies I lined this before but if you have about 5 minutes or so check this video out ttp://www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men.html

Rutee
Rutee
10 years ago

“A question for the women: Since I previously thought Kirby and mediumdave were women, Do you think men who support feminism have an ulterior motive to get laid? Be honest ladies. Mediumdave and Kirby are men. I did not realize they were men.”

Why in the name of spoons would I even think that? It’s not even vaguely plausible on internet sites, and activism is substantially more effort than hookup culture in general. Absent actual evidence that this is the case, I have no reason to suspect it of any given person.

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

N4ever wrote “MRAs I can get on board with now and then (minus the rabid conservatism). For example, I think we should be paying more attention to rape perpetrated against men and boys. There are plenty of ways that gender roles harm men, and we should acknowledge that. They’re certainly correct on that basic talking point.”

Also why is it that the female teacher who seduces the 12 year old boy is celebrated as teaching him love and passion as opposed to being chastised for molesting a traumatizing a young human being.

Liaison I spelled it wrong. I want to be a Liaison between the MGTOW and Feminists. Holly and others asked what does that mean. If you have a few minutes check this MRA guy out, he just nails it. Someone linked it on Ozy’s siteh ttp://www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men.html

Rutee
Rutee
10 years ago

I’ve seen Tony Porter’s TED Talk before. If you want toxic masculinity to end, your movement should STOP FUCKING SELLING TOXIC MASCULINITY. Seriously this claim that this is your goal holds no fucking water. Porter wants people to stop selling the harmful stereotypes that negatively affect men; you guys sell harmful stereotypes that negatively affect men. We’ve got it at the top of the newest article, with a dude insisting that men have to do everything.

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

I’ve seen Tony Porter’s TED Talk before. If you want toxic masculinity to end, your movement should STOP FUCKING SELLING TOXIC MASCULINITY. Seriously this claim that this is your goal holds no fucking water. Porter wants people to stop selling the harmful stereotypes that negatively affect men; you guys sell harmful stereotypes that negatively affect men. We’ve got it at the top of the newest article, with a dude insisting that men have to do everything.
Rutee thanks for taking the time. I never heard Porter before. But this is the dialogue I would like to have with women. What do you mean Rutee “Toxic Masculinity”?

Also MGTOW men also want people to selling the harmful stereotypes. Porter stated for years men have objectified women as sexual objects. However as an mgtow male who is celibate I have chosen not to objectify women. I would think this would be a good thing to feminists . But when a man says he is celibate or if he sees a sexy girl he turns his head away like a monk because he does not want to have lustful objectification of women thoughts he is mocked as a wimp or gay as feminists do. Good insight. I like dialogue

Snowy
Snowy
10 years ago

“But when a man says he is celibate or if he sees a sexy girl he turns his head away like a monk because he does not want to have lustful objectification of women thoughts he is mocked as a wimp or gay as feminists do.”

Who is doing this? What feminists are mocking men as wimps or gay? I’m a gay male feminist, so I’m definitely not doing it. I haven’t been mocked by any feminists here, or anywhere else for that matter. Please give me an example of the feminists who’re doing this, I’m really interested to know who they are.

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Holly I want equal men to be able to cry without being a wimp, I want a man who is trying to be abstinent or celibate not to be called A Faggot. I want a man who is introverted and shy to be able to be considered attractive and desirable as much as a “macho Alpha” I want custody laws to be more fair in the courts. I want the shy kid in high school with Aspargers
to be desirable. I want women to realize not all men are sexual pigs. We do not think about sex all the time. We can control ourselves. We are not sexual pigs. I want men to be able to have a better chance of custody if they choose to be single parents. I want the men who are virgins and shy to not be called Faggots or weirdos. I want men who choose not to have sex and not to objectify women to be celebrated not called a faggot or wimp

Feminists do not believe these things.
People from feminist blogs are very unlikely to espouse these views.
And nobody. here. is. saying. that.
If a feminist did say that s/he supports celibate men being shunned, etc, SHOW. US. or we will not believe you. You haven’t backed up ANY ONE of your previous claims, why the hell should we believe you now?

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Meh, ninjaed by Snowy.

amandajane5
10 years ago

So Samuel comes back with another round of, “Well, I haven’t done any work or research, and I’m not quite sure what you’re talking about, but feminists should totally do all of my work for me because look at me here talking to you! Teh wimminzs! Even though several of you have clearly identified yourselves as men!”

Samuel, no one is interested in blogging with you because you have no clear premise, no idea what you want to blog about, and have serious difficulty clearly expressing yourself in coherent English. If you want to blog, blog. If we don’t want to listen, visit, or participate, well that’s how blogging works. You don’t get a free penis pass.

katz
10 years ago

I’m not surprised this guy has an AOL address.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

However as an mgtow male who is celibate I have chosen not to objectify women.

What does “objectify women” mean to you? o: And how are you not doing it? I dunno why being celibate has nething to do w/ it. There’s a TON of ppl who have never and will never sleep w/ a trans woman and still objectify us like f-. xD

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

Snowy said “Who is doing this? What feminists are mocking men as wimps or gay? I’m a gay male feminist, so I’m definitely not doing it. I haven’t been mocked by any feminists here, or anywhere else for that matter. Please give me an example of the feminists who’re doing this, I’m really interested to know who they are.”

Some woman posted before, about that the different waves of feminism. I believe( I am not certain), that while some feminists are very anti porn inasmuch as it objectifies women, some feminists organize a “slut walk” where one of the objectives is that a woman can dress any way she wants and be free and “Yes means yes, no means no”. I just think the “slut walk” can be degrading to women. I mean some men are trying not to lust after women and conserve their sexual energy so they can sublimate it into creative pursuits. Some men who are Christians, Buddhists, or whatever realize objectifying women as lust objects is not morally right. So I am confused as a man.

On One hand some feminists say “Don’t objectify us” as porn can do. On the other hand, when an mgtow male becomes a monk or celibate or abstinent or whatever, he is mocked by feminists. Since for years unconscious men thought with their Penis constantly, and some still do, now that many man men are choosing to be celibate or abstinent and not watch Porn and lust like an animal after a woman’s breast but not look at her eyes and see a human being, Do many Women see this as a threat to their sexual power? Some woman can control and tempt man by a males need for sex, but if a male becomes celibate and refuses to lust after a women as an object, she may not be able to control him. Snowy, tell me what do you think?

Snowy
Snowy
10 years ago

Yeah, you didn’t answer my question.

“On the other hand, when an mgtow male becomes a monk or celibate or abstinent or whatever, he is mocked by feminists.”

Where are these feminists? Who are they? Because I haven’t run across any of them, ever.

kristinmh
kristinmh
10 years ago

Samuel is only marginally more coherent than a Turkish spambot. *eyes hurt now*

Seriously, dude, are you a bot? Is this some kind of MRA Turing test?

darksidecat
10 years ago

@Samuel, we don’t give a rats ass if you become celibate. It just doesn’t give you a liscense to police women’s clothes or discriminate against them. Also, for the four millionth time it has been said to you sexual attraction does not automatically equal objectification.

Samuel
Samuel
10 years ago

Kristin wrote “Samuel is only marginally more coherent than a Turkish spambot. *eyes hurt now”
Seriously, dude, are you a bot? Is this some kind of MRA Turing test?
Kristin what do you mean by this wtf?

Kristin as a woman can you answer my question that I asked “Some woman can control and tempt man by a males need for sex, but if a male becomes celibate and refuses to lust after a women as an object, she may not be able to control him. Snowy, tell me what do you think?” Read my post thoroughly I could be wrong I need a womans perspective?

Snowy
Snowy
10 years ago

Samuel, I see you’re here, so how about answering my question that I already asked twice? Who are these feminists who call men gay wimps?