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Garfield’s John Arbuckle becomes an MRA, or a PUA, or possibly an MGTOWer

You need a cat to keep you company, dude.

Actually, I’m pretty sure he’s been Going His Own Way pretty much since the strip started.

This is borrowed from the fabulous Garfield Minus Garfield. Thanks to speedlines on the Man Boobz Forum for finding this.

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filetofswedishfish
9 years ago

Oh gawd. I lol so much at Garfield minus Garfield. Jon is so deep, profound, and douchey.

swallows
swallows
9 years ago

The best Garfield is the early ones where Jon is more likely than not in a homosexual relationship with that one disco-like guy who brought in odie. Also, garfield didn’t walk upright yet and it was still pretty funny.

Samuel
Samuel
9 years ago

You know it is amazing, As a male who has some familiarity.with Easter Mysticism.The basic philosophy is all is one. We are all part of the original source, some people call it “God”., the “om” point. No matter if your Black White Asian Fat Skinny European American Jewish Catholic,etc., we are all human. The only exception I can say is between gender,. I belive while both men and women are of course both human beings but their wired differently.There was a book called Men are from Mars women are from Venus.I really never read the book fully but the title was interesting. No matter how much as a man I can say that I am spiritual, and we as Human beings are all one race, I will NEVER NEVER understand what it is like to be a woman. The Creator(or evolution if you are agnostic/atheist) made men and women wired differently for a reason. Think about it- every type of segregation for the most part is Illegal. Thank Goodness since the Civil Rights Act of !964 , there has been legal segregation.outlawed.No more separate bathroom between black and whites or separate water fountains.However, even to this day in 2011, legal segregation is legal between men and women. Separate bathrooms between men and woman are legal, separate changing rooms are legal. It is legal because men and women are wired differently I guess. I actually feel Scandinavians (such as the Finnish) are more progressive with regard to this. I have read that Finnish Saunas are coed and even some of the Locker rooms are unisex where men and women undress. Apparently, the Mixed Sauna is a Finnish Tradition and they have not had many incidences of violence or harassment in their Mixed coed Saunas. However, The USA culture is more Puritanical. Sorry to get off the topic a bit but the point from the cartoon I see id a man will never understand what it is lie to be a woman. To me as someone who would like to believe in the oneness of humanity, this really can get me a little sad because no matter how we are all one, men and women can never understand each other fully,I guess we can try to as The cartoon intimated. This can be a very lonely sad feeling for both genders.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Samuel, knock it off with the pseudo-mystical, kumbaya bullshit. You’re a maladjusted loser who wants to scratch his chin and rationalize… well, fuck that. Life is gonna run you over like a bulldozer while you’re farting around with this.

chocominties
chocominties
9 years ago

I took a lot of soc and psych courses in college (round 1), including courses about sex/gender and those that emphasized the topic. Nearly every time a text detailed a “male” trait, it described me better than the “female” one. We took tests to find if we had more male or female traits and I came out in between (always the same with the right/left brain stuff too). I don’t know if this means I know what it’s sort of like to be a man or if it means I sort of don’t know what it’s like to be a woman. All I can conclude is that no one really knows what it’s like to be me. Except me.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Maybe it means that the texts were written by biased people, chocominties! (I know, that’s crazy talk. 😀 )

shaenon
9 years ago

Hey, Jon has been dating Liz the huge-lipped veterinarian for the last couple of years of the strip. He’s no longer Going His Own Way!

I agree that he and Lyman were a cuter couple, though.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

I like how the author of G minus G describes it.
It’s sad and frightening how Jon’s loneliness slips into depression and madness.

Samuel
Samuel
9 years ago

MediumDave Kumbaya stuff? You kidding me, I am as familiar with MGTOW, Happy Bachelors, Marriage strike,Boycott Western women, all the “radical” mra sights. Dude, Ive decided I cannot be a victim anymore.Maladjusted, I hold a descent job, I try to be a responsibel productive member of society, I was blessed to have a college education which many men are lacking these days(with declining enrollments). I may not be the best typer but I try express myself clearly. Sure I have my issues (who doesn’t). Ram Dass a spiritual teacher said all people have some type of neuroses. I still have my anger issues at woman and strong feelings about equality for men. I consider myself an MGTOW but one saying I’m going MY own way which for me would be more open and inclusive. Kudos to Dave Futrelle for establishing this website. This website is just one of a few that allows dialogue with some “civility” between MGTOW/MRA and Feminists. This website made an impact on me.Blogging does affect people.You call it Kumbaya I would freaking rather have Kumbaya than being a miserable victim sitting in a dark basement lamenting with self pity. If you respond to me I will not respond back.TY

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

It’s up to you if you want to stop being a creepy asshole, Samuel.

spearhafoc
spearhafoc
9 years ago

It’s been said before, but, Samuel, buddy, paragraph breaks are your friends.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Then just do it, and quit flapping your virtual gums. I don’t give a shit about your personal journey, and I see no reason to.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Oh, and fuck “civility”.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

You went to college, Samuel? And they didn’t teach you how to write a paper? Wait, this college wasn’t online was it?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Samuel:

Grah, so much wrong, so few paragraph breaks.

Evolution does not create for a reason or a purpose. Evolution isn’t an entity. Evolution is a process by which things change over time.

Even between races, there may always be a distinct lack of understanding. If you are white, you will never understand what it is like to be black or asian or latino or whatever. This is rooted in the fact that everyone has a distinct bubble of experience they inhabit, with different cultural backgrounds and different history. If, and I’m guessing, you are a white male, then even though I am also a white male I will never understand completely what your life as been like, nor you mine. But, as you say, we are all human. Welcome to humanism, which doesn’t (or is not suppose to) forget its aims by dividing along gender lines.

I honestly don’t think we should have separated bathrooms. Coed bathrooms work fine in college, and apparently in other countries, and I think they would do wonders both for violence committed in bathrooms and feelings of separation between the genders. You say the US is more puritanical. I fail to see how that could be something desirable.

Waxing philosophic about this:

“Think about it- every type of segregation for the most part is Illegal. Thank Goodness since the Civil Rights Act of !964 , there has been legal segregation.outlawed.No more separate bathroom between black and whites or separate water fountains.However, even to this day in 2011, legal segregation is legal between men and women. Separate bathrooms between men and woman are legal, separate changing rooms are legal. It is legal because men and women are wired differently I guess.”

will not make you friends here. It’s committing the same exact fallacy that people used to justify racial separation; we’ve been doing it up to this point, there must be good reasoning behind it. No, there isn’t. Separation is a matter of tradition and history, and just because people have been doing it for a long time doesn’t justify it in the slightest.

theindigolemon
theindigolemon
9 years ago
Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Ooh, Kirby, add this one: Finland is not a Scandinavian country.

Sorry. Small point, but it was bugging me.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Finland is not a Scandinavian country.

As I learned to my sorrow while working in medical translations. 😉

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Bee:

Actually… http://satwcomic.com/how-the-north-works

So, while not Scandinavian, there is apparently a Fenno-Scandinavia that does indeed include Finland. Also Finland is a anti-social misanthrope with a knife, a hat, and an attitude.

The more you know! *ding*

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Ooh. I’ll have to tell my boyfriend’s family. They’ll be fucking pissed.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

…about being lumped in with the Swedes and the Norwegians, I mean, not about being labeled as misanthropes.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

I, for one, am willing to give Samuel points for trying, if not for brevity.

Karalora
9 years ago

@kirbywarp

You did it again!

(BTW, I have a copy of that hat. It rocks hardcore. u jelly?)

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
9 years ago

@Samuel…

[citation needed.]

Also, “Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus” is not taken seriously as an academic work.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Also, “Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus” is not taken seriously as an academic work.

Now, now. Mail order Ph. D.s from unaccredited universities are still Ph. D.s, right?

Pecunium
9 years ago

Pushkin talks about the Finns in Evgeny Onegin… lets just say those stanzas are poetic, and evocative, but not flattering; more as if the Finns were gnomes, or dwarves then fully human.

Fuck MRAs
Fuck MRAs
9 years ago

Gah! People who do not understand what the word “evolution” means should not be allowed to use it. Evolution does not have a personality, people! And if it did, it would not the the personality of an Abrahamic-religion patriarch!

Men;='s Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men;='s Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Pecunium is glorying in female on male abuse, as most fymynysts do.

Sharculese
9 years ago

how is fighting back when someone tries to rape you abuse?

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Because she’s an alpha FUCK alpha and they always abuse the poor betas. Also, Phajina.

darksidecat
9 years ago

medium dave was on fire this thread. Time to start a slow clap for him…

MizDarwin
MizDarwin
9 years ago

MRAL, I should think you’d like a cartoon about someone fighting back successfully against a bully.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

DSC, thanks, but you should see the other guy! ;D

Pecunium
9 years ago

MRAL: Pay attention, I don’t intend to tell you twice.

I am not a pacifist (I am peaceful, even relatively non-violent), but I am not a pacifist. I think self-defense is admirable. I think someone who refuses to take no for an answer deserves to be resisted.

It’s funny because the idea is that women are delicate little flowers who can’t defend themselves. This is not the case.

As a case in point, I am slight. I am 5’9″, and come in between 115-120 lbs. People assume that means they can push me around. See above, I am not fond of violence. I will wait a good long time before I decide that minor provocations merit physical response.

One of those requirements is actual physical threat. If someone (male, nor female, I don’t care) crosses that line, I will hand them as much of their ass as is required to put them back on the other side of it. It doesn’t happen often. For some reason people tend to be unwilling to push quite that far. The track record is, in my adult life, five. Four men, one woman (that I’ve had to lay hands on. There are a couple of men which had different resolutions, not requiring physical contact, and apart from anything which happened in combat zones/training).

In the backstory of that cartoon, he went too far. You think she was out of line? Fine. But that implies you think his not taking no for an answer is acceptable. That she was obliged to put up with it.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

MRAL: You keep using the word ‘abuse,’ but I’m not quite sure you understand what it means. Fighting back against being attacked =/= abuse. Last I checked it was called self-defense. If the concept still confuses you, there’s this wonderful resource called Google, where you can find just about any information you want to know. (except, evidently, how to put my own background on my new cellphone. But that’s neither here nor there.)

chocominties
chocominties
9 years ago

No no, the texts were pretty clear on “this is more commonly observed in men/women,” and why. Often due to cultural/social reasons. I don’t think my hyper-feminist sex roles prof would have chosen texts that were blatantly biased. (I took 3 classes from her. She was great.)

Also, let’s be clear … online doesn’t mean crappy. Online schools are often attached to a brick and mortar location. A diploma mill, on the other hand …

(Just something that bugs me. Due to illness, I finished my degree online. A lot of my classes were harder than ones I currently am taking in person. Also, you really have to be careful with budgeting your time and remembering the schedule or else you’ll forget to take tests on time, and generally you weren’t allowed to take them late. Even with timed, open-book tests you wouldn’t believe how bad some people did … it’s not as easy as you’d think.)

darksidecat
9 years ago

I used to be a pacifist. Being a pacifist does not equal doing nothing and accepting bad things. There is a middle ground of nonviolent direct action, which is the default in my opinion anyway. I leave violent self defense in response to violence open, but I don’t create it as an expectation. A victim of violence who refuses to return violence is not to blame for what happens, the perpetrator is.

Pecunium
9 years ago

DSC: I don’t think pacifism requires that. I’ve been an attender at several Quaker meetings. My former fiancée is a Quaker.

I just don’t think MRAL is in a place to look at the finer points of pacifism.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Ah, of course chocominties, you’re right I should have said diploma mill. Sorry about that.

Arielle
Arielle
9 years ago

That comic describes MRAs perfectly. Good find, David!

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

more as if the Finns were gnomes, or dwarves then fully human.

They’re not?
Crap. I’m canceling my vacation! 🙁

Benjamin Geiger
9 years ago

This one is more the way I think:

http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/37727803