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AntiFeministMedia: “Do you really believe men have ‘oppressed’ women for no reason?”

Shouldn't they all be?

My favorite Redditor these days is an angry little fella named AntiFeministMedia. How much of a douche is he? So much of one that sometimes he actually manages to get downvoted in the Men’s Rights subreddit for his excessive douchebaggery.

You may recall him as the author of the “the female gravy train of victimhood” quote I highlighted the other day. But I’ve been going through his comment history and have unearthed a number of other wonders.

It’s going to take more than one post to truly convey his charms. We’ll start today with some of his comments on women, and their vaginas, and why both need to be kept in check.

Women, you see, just aren’t made for freedom:

what happnes when you give women economic and sexual freedom, is that you get major social problems.

It simply doesnt work, because women are incapable of behaving themselves, men see their society disintegrating, their children suffering, and then decide to ‘put women in their place’.

If women wernt so irresponsible when they got their freedom, men would not have to step in and take it away from them. Seriously, do you really believe men have ‘oppressed’ (read: restrained) women for no reason?

It’s almost as if these ladies aren’t even human:

people are scared of women. Thats the truth about it. Women can be such nasty pieces of work that no one wants to get on their bad side for fear of them becoming hysterical … The female world is an animal world which a lot of men, being human, simply dont understand).

True, they do have vaginas, but that isn’t enough to make up for that whole not-being-human thing:

You may or may not believe this, but I am quite happy alone.

The only thing I’d want you from is a vagina, the rest of the time I’d despise you. You see I dont like who you are. I am a human being, while women are from the animal world. They think like animals, and that is not something I would want to pair with. While women are thinking about survival, Im thinking about god.

And, at least some of the time, about vaginas.

Speaking of which: Since ladies are such herd animals, they clearly shouldn’t be allowed to be in charge of anything, including the things that come out of their vaginas. You know, babies:

You seem to think in groups, not as individuals. Thats why I believe women shouldnt be given a choice. Children should automatically be the property of the male (again). If women cannot understand simple situations like those I’ve outlined, or even the fact that men should be consulted first before a child is created … then they are not the best people to be in control of reproduction.

After all, contrary to all that nonsense you might have heard in your high school sex ed classes,  it only takes one person to get pregnant:

It takes two to tango, and one to get pregnant. The one that gets pregnant bears the ultimate responsibilty, particularly since she has full control over reproduction in the modern west. …

It is up to women to screen out bad men, and to choose a man capable of being a good father. That is the responsibilty of women. If a woman opens her legs to any sob, without spending the time and energy to assess wether he would make a good father, and then he runs off, then thats the womans fault. But again, we go back to women not being able to take personal responsibilty.

Exactly. When a man deserts his children, it is obviously the woman, not him, who is being irresponsible.

Given how badly women are doing at this whole reproduction thing, wouldn’t it be great if we could just remove women from the equation entirely?

AntiFeministMedia has some thoughts on this as well, which we will examine in a future post. Stay tuned.

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Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Nobody around here is Captain Normal to begin judging the ones who don’t say “I am really serially a dragon, for reals”, and that’s almost all of them.

I told that to a bunch of my friends when I was in Junior High. It wasn’t my proudest moment, but my parents were going through a divorce and I was really into D&D at the time. Sigh! Bad times.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Isn’t the “furries are f-ed up” narrative mostly b/c of a CSI episode or something? :

Molly Ren
9 years ago

@Ami: And because of a couple really badly researched articles written on the creepiest Furries they could find. : / But that was a while ago– people are starting to write better things about Furries! 😀

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Okay, his is not what I wanted my first comment here to be, but NWO threw down the gauntlet. Here’s the deal: DO NOT tell me that I hate fathers. My dad was the awesomest human being I have ever met. he taught me to use a microscope and handle chemicals and about animals and the joys of a good slapshot. He spent a weekend in jail after helping black voters register in the south. And even though I have a black thumb, he taught me to care for plants and trees. I adored my father, and so did almost everyone he knew. And I got to watch him die by inches as cancer ate his brain.

So, do me a favor and stop assuming that all feminists hate fathers and fatherhood. Because it’s not fucking true.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

ugh -_-

what do the articles claim? :

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

25% of the time it leads to dead babies, not much fatherhood in that. 51% of the time divorce happens with only a 17% chance of equal custody, pretty sucky odds on being a dad. Also isn’t like a 15 or 20% chance a man thought he was the father but really isn’t? Add to that if a man isn’t marrried he has no rights at all, he can even lose a child to adoption. Plus a couple percent chance of men not even being told they have a child. Heterosexual sex might lead to babies, but all in all, the chances of a man having full access to his own child is pitifully low.

20% of the time it leads to kittens
25% of the time it leads to ponies
15% of the time it leads to puppies
30% of the time it leads to rainbows
99.999% of the time it leads to sparkles

Side affects may include: sweating, shortness of breath, feeling of contentment, attraction to partner, desire for a cigarette, early morning breath or the need to take a taxi home

magdelyn
9 years ago

I am sorry. Furries are weird. It creeps me out.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

I am sorry. Furries are weird. It creeps me out.

They’re like ravers, but without the nice drugs.
At least they have a good time, don’t hurt people and don’t take themselves too seriously.

magdelyn
9 years ago

I wonder what the psychology of being a furry is? I

katz
9 years ago

MRAL? That actually wouldn’t have been my guess. The oddball capitalization hasn’t historically been his thing, and there wasn’t all that much brooding self-pity in his posts.

ClioPersephone
ClioPersephone
9 years ago

Hmm I finally got “called out” by NWOslave. Does this mean I’m more “threatening” feminist now? Neat.

Also, I love how MRAL threatens us with violence. Any micro amount of sympathy/hope for him I had left is gone.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

Isn’t the “furries are f-ed up” narrative mostly b/c of a CSI episode or something? :

It’s also an old meme on Something Awful.
http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Something_Awful#The_Lolocaust

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@KathleenB
” Okay, his is not what I wanted my first comment here to be, but NWO threw down the gauntlet. Here’s the deal: DO NOT tell me that I hate fathers. My dad was the awesomest human being I have ever met. he taught me to use a microscope and handle chemicals and about animals and the joys of a good slapshot. He spent a weekend in jail after helping black voters register in the south. And even though I have a black thumb, he taught me to care for plants and trees. I adored my father, and so did almost everyone he knew.”

Well first time poster, I’m not the one saying fatherhood consists of shoot a wad, pissing on things like a dog to mark territory and laying back to survey property ownership. I’m the one sticking up for fathers. Perhaps you should lay your rage at the feet where it belongs and reassess your allegiance to the feminism.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Well first time poster, I’m not the one saying fatherhood consists of shoot a wad, pissing on things like a dog to mark territory and laying back to survey property ownership.

Who IS saying that? :3 Perhaps you should quote the posters of said that, so she can rage against them? 😀

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Well first time poster, I’m not the one saying fatherhood consists of shoot a wad, pissing on things like a dog to mark territory and laying back to survey property ownership.

Who IS saying that? :3 Perhaps you should quote the posters who said that, so she can rage against them? 😀

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Hmm weird double post xD I was trying to correct a spelling error 😀

Neways, so yus, who has specifically said that fatherhood consists of “shoot a wad, pissing on things like a dog to mark territory and laying back to survey property ownership.”? o:

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Well, Ami, the guy in the OP said that men should have “property” of children. But anyone else here, no.

coupdefoudre
coupdefoudre
9 years ago

NWO: in all seriousness, if there’s some sort of remedial reading comprehension program at your local community college, take it. You get really worked up here about things that people never said.

The only reason this “fatherhood consists of shooting a wad” thing is being discussed is because people are speculating that that is how AntiFeministMedia views fatherhood. End of story.

Pecunium
9 years ago

David: Hi Marc…. how’s that nonviolent desire to see men wiped off the face of the earth going?

Pecunium
9 years ago

Shaennon: [sarcasm] We know that story can’t be true, because in the old days (before feminism ruined everything), men took care of women, and slaved away in miserable dangerous jobs because they had to, and wouldn’t dream of abandoning them. [/sarcasm].

Seriously, that sucks. I’m sorry for your grandfather.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

I wonder what the psychology of being a misogynist drag queen is…

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

That was MRAL? Huh.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

OK, you know what? I know some furries, and they’re nice people. Yeah, they’re “weird” and I don’t care to ask what they do with each other in private. But that’s the point: They do it with each other in private, and they are consenting adults. They don’t harm anyone, and are not trying to. The entire global “furry community” is less harmful than any random MRA. (Sorry to get ranty, folks, but I had to say it. 😀 )

BTW, hellkell, I retract most of what I said about the childfree folks. I was being glib and insensitive, and it was wrong (way, way wrong) of me to compare them to the MRM. Very sorry. 🙁

Pecunium
9 years ago

Nobinayamu: What, he can’t cough up for a RealDoll? No animal nature to deal with, just the best artificial vagina money can buy, decorated any way he likes

Samuel
Samuel
9 years ago

I never heard of the so called ” Furry movement” just until recently I met a bisexual guy and he said he was a furry. He was telling me that they dress up like Mascots at a sports event(like the basketball team the Phoenix Suns have a gorilla mascot), and this guy said they have furry conventions and that most furries are gay men but some women are furries as well.Theis guy told me they play techno music at these conventions and there is “furry sex”. To me I do not understand it, it sounds a little “odd” but to each his own. The other thing as far as some people criticized the MGTOW guy. While I could understand many people(especially women) being fearful these guys could be violent. As mentioned before, I consider myself moderate but as someone who recently became a bit disenchanted with some of the vitriol on some MGTOW sites, many of these guys do not want violence against women, a lot of these guys are actually passive “omega Males” -they just want Gender Separatism and avoiding women. I recently cam to a revelation that separatism is way way way too extreme and too hate filled to be a solution, this is what many of these guys want. I am not sure of the solution to this?

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

I am not sure of the solution to this?

*headdesk* Samuel, 99.99% of men manage to get along on this planet where 51% of the people in it are women! I truly do not understand what the problem is. If you can’t adjust to society, it is not the fault of society. Find a good therapist, get oriented to reality. You’ll thank me later. 🙂

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

All I know is that furries helped a friend of mine blossom into a self confident happy guy and move pass all the pain he had been dealing with.

Outside of that, no clue.

shaenon
9 years ago

Seriously, that sucks. I’m sorry for your grandfather.

The thing is, it’s not an unusual story. Looking back at the women in my family, I don’t see any of those bonbon-popping ladies of leisure anti-feminists keep bitching about. I see janitors, factory workers, soldiers, nurses, church ladies (don’t underestimate the power of church ladies), my great-aunt who was one of the first female executives at Westinghouse, my aunt the TV producer, my cousin the lawyer and Air Force pilot. And of course mothers who raised boatloads of kids on a shoestring (thanks, Catholicism!). They all worked hard and did what it took to survive. I also see a lot of people, men and women alike, who lived harder lives than they had to because of institutional discrimination.

My approach to feminism is basically pragmatic. I oppose bigotry not just because it’s morally wrong, but because it’s a waste to society and to individual lives. It’s just… dumb, y’know?

shaenon
9 years ago

Also: MRAL NOOOO COME BACK TO THE LIGHT

Samuel
Samuel
9 years ago

Mediumdave, read carefulll what I wrote. I am moderate, While I previously used to agree with the MGTOW philosophyI have become moderate recently (Thanks to this website, I now realize there are different branches to feminism. In fact one site someone lined me is called “No seriously what about the Menz? is actually a feminist website that support the men. One article on that site states that there if you put a room of feminists together there would be a lot of disagreements. So MediumDave, I’m open now to dialogue, understanding. I realize Gender Separatism is extreme and not the solution by “running away” from women. Moreover There are also I heard Lesbian Separatist groups. Some extremist groups believe in racial separation. I am not saying these MGTOW guys are right, or how big or small the movement is but it exists.It is what it is.Hopefully, if both men and women or radical feminists and radical mgtow’s could freakin dialogue ina civil way,maybe people would be more open to change.I have been in much therapy, and for me Therapy has a place if one is willing to deal and confront their personal issues. But therapy or not, If mgtow would understand that some many feminists support women, it could change their minds to be a just a wee bit more open, as in my case. For me I would lie to think That A Man Going His Own Way can actually be a feminist even. For that individual man,”Going His Own Way” can mean he can be a feminist and be called a wimp by other mra’s or a a traitor, but he does not are what people think, he is going his own way, and that could include inviting some feminist activists or leaders or whatever on his journey.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

Feminism is about supporting Furry Rights.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Aww, Samuel. I’m touched.

Well, actually, no I’m not. I’m a mean old SOB who doesn’t care about your little sob stories.

Samuel
Samuel
9 years ago

See what I mean people, The minute any MGTOW/MRA guy becomes even a teeny weeny bit even a teeny teeny bit of any sort of open minded he gets mocked.Believe me MediumDave, I still have my anger issues with women but I think your the SOB who I would I probably beat the crap out of you right now, but F*ck it whats the point? While many feminists disagree as I ascertained there are many opinions amongst MRA”s, thats why the MRM movement is has its problems getting organized.Women have a herd instinct they will organize and unify that is why Feminism made such a powerful impact, mrm’s need to be unified in ordert to make change

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Hah! I knew you couldn’t restrain yourself, Samuel. So you’re threatening me now? Please. I’d flatten you.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Women have a herd instinct they will organize and unify that is why Feminism made such a powerful impact, mrm’s need to be unified in ordert to make change

the fuck?

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

In other words, Samuel, you want someone (preferably someone here, for some strange reason) to hold your hand during your epic journey from being 100% asshole to 98% asshole. And you don’t understand why that provokes scorn from me? OK…

You want to be showered with flowers because you’re willing to make a tiny step toward becoming a decent human being? Uh… no.

tatjna
tatjna
9 years ago

@Samuel If the MGTOW people simply wanted not to interact with women themselves, they could organise their lives so they didn’t have to. But it seems what they actually want is to make it so women can’t interact with any men at all – ie total separatism for all.

When someone decides they want to impose their own beliefs on my behaviour, I have a problem with that – and in this case, so would at least 50% of the population, probably more (since most men actually, you know, like women).

Also, it’s a fairly common tactic for those movements trying to gain legitimacy to point at the extremists of their group and say “At least we’re not like them.” And when you say “Women have a herd instinct” it demonstrates to me that you still have exactly the same beliefs as those extremists – that women are somehow different (implied: less human) than men). How they manifest may now be different but you need to understand that nobody’s going to buy it until you start walking the talk.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

I’m not the one saying fatherhood consists of shoot a wad, pissing on things like a dog to mark territory and laying back to survey property ownership. I’m the one sticking up for fathers. Perhaps you should lay your rage at the feet where it belongs and reassess your allegiance to the feminism.

You’re hte one who said feminists hate fathers. I have not seen a single feminist here says that all fathers are evil. YOU said that you couldn’t deal with all the hatred of fathers here (nice flounce, BTW, but you didn’t stick the landing. 4.4 from the Romanian judge). Since this is a feminist blog, the implication was that all feminists hate fathers. Kinda insulting to someone who lost a beloved father.

And if what you’re doing is sticking up for fathers, I’d rather be a feminist.

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Some of us are feminists and fathers. Both at the same time.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Samuel, I totally believe you have anger issues with women.

Herd instinct? I know it’s been said, but what the fuck? How far up your ass did you have reach to pull that gem out?

Pecunium
9 years ago

Samuel: The reason feminism has made strides has nothing to with the “herd” instincts of women (which are no greater than that of men… look at the systemic opposition to women’s rights; by the men in power).

It has to do with feminism being “right”, i.e. about fairness, justice, and equality.

I’m more than willing to have a reasonable dialogue with anyone (just take a look at my behavior here). I do however have some standards, and one of them is they have to deal with me honestly. I prefer they deal with me reasonably, but I’ll settle for honest.

I don’t see much of that when the MRM types show up here. Look at RB, or DKM, or Marc, or NWO.

Go look back at June, and see how we dealt with MRAL. Consider the treatment women who go to MRM sites, women who are on their side get. Then come back and tell me that we are “unreasonable”, and “unfair”. If they want to be met half way, they better start moving, because I’m not letting them have control of the Overton Window. Not even a little bit.

Samuel
Samuel
9 years ago

KirbyWarp Brilliant response.Brilliant. On this other gender website this male feminist stated he thinks Feminism in Academia will become another branch of Humanism (gender branch). I was unfamiliaar with Humanism as a philosophy,it seems optimistic in tone.Here is this mans comment. ( A male feminist he is):

Well said. As a feminist who was raised on the concept of intersectional privilege I think it’s extremely important that there continue to be an increased focus on ALL heteronormative/gender-role-enforcing attitudes. Thanks to Feminism there have been massive progress in legal and social equality for women. As the movement progresses, I think it will become less about legal issues (although those will still be there) and even more about the social pressures put on men, women, and others which makes everyone’s life an overall “lose”. So really, I think it will eventually be a gender issues branch of Humanism.

I really liked Tony Porter’s take on one such issue:

http://www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men.html

darksidecat
9 years ago

I support furry rights. Why would furries bother me? They don’t do any harm.

Pecunium
9 years ago

The one’s I’ve known have all been pretty nice, even the ones who do think they are the last dragon on earth.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I think Samuel is the last dragon on Earth.

…which explains the typing.

(Actually, I think Samuel may be mentally ill in some regard, which is a concern I often have about the less savory vistors to this site, but he’s particularly troubling me. Still, that doesn’t make it okay for him to go off about “herd instinct” and segregation and how he wants cuddles and cookies for hating women slightly less, but since he didn’t get them he hates women again.)

Pecunium
9 years ago

I don’t know, but I suspect English isn’t his first language.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

I thought he was developmentally disabled, which was why I was so patient with him when he was talking about websites that “welcome men.”

redlocker
9 years ago

“I think Samuel is the last dragon on Earth.

…which explains the typing.”

HAHAHAHAHA

Off topic: Nice to see that people recognize that Furries don’t harm anyone in what they’re doing…which is more than what can say about the MRM.

Kave
Kave
9 years ago

Samuel
What you are saying is most mra’s and mgtow’s have had as a whole abusive pasts on the hands of women. Women being mothers or classmates or sisters.

I would say to you that most radical feminists (I say the word radical meaning the subset of feminism) have probably also had abusive pasts.

What would be you solution?

When a client comes to me with a problem normally we work out the solution step by step logically. How would you deal with this?

Sas
Sas
9 years ago

Delurking just to say I’m a furry and I’m glad people are non-judgemental about it.

Since a couple of people said they don’t know what it was (and Samuel’s friend gave him a very misleading definition), being furry just means you have an interest in characters/stories/art/anything where human and animal traits are blended. Everything beyond that is extra.

We don’t all dress up in costumes; that’s called ‘fursuiting’ and even if we all wanted to, most of us couldn’t afford it. Those costumes can be a few hundred bucks! Personally, I don’t like them either; any sort of mascot costume like that heavily freaks me out.

Also, there doesn’t HAVE to be a sexual component; furry isn’t a sexual fetish. It’s just a fandom that mixes easily with all other interests, so people mix it with sex. I know plenty of furries that don’t like furry porn and that’s fine, too.

Furry fandom is extremely accepting of different sexualities and there are plenty of gay furries, but they’re not the majority. It really depends on what circles you run in; you could easily get the impression that furry is all-gay, all-male, or all-porn, if you don’t look around and meet new people.

That’s the 101, I guess.