Science Corner: Why some self-obsessed douchebags hate the ladies so much

@Pecunium,

I imagine you use it in a manner that actually adds something to your argument as well.

Ha, Ami, I love your can-do attitude. When the trolls are sub-par, you don’t just don’t sit around waiting for a quality troll to show up – you do it yourself! XD

I don’t think DKM understands, probably because he hasn’t grokked yet that women are people with inner lives like himself, what he’s actually asking for when he wants to go back to the days of “real men” and “real women”. I will illustrate with an anecdote:

As you know I teach music lessons for a living. Very occasionally I will get a child who really, really, really doesn’t want to take lessons but is being forced for one reason or another by their parents. How does that child behave?

Sometimes zie discovers that zie actually likes music after all and becomes an enthusiastic student. On the other hand, sometimes zie wages all-out war against me, which is a little disconcerting coming from a 9-year-old, but because children have no power against a parent who’s made up their mind to make them do something, zie does it with passive aggression: through lying, manipulation, refusal to participate in good faith, in hopes of making me so miserable that I quit. (Which is what I do, once I’m sure I can’t do the kid any good.)

Kids don’t do this because they’re evil little bastards (though they often are), but because they’re powerless, and lying and manipulation are their only tools. And that’s what you’ll get, Mr. Peace and Freedom, if you ever get women to go back to being chattel. You’ll get a wife who lies to you and manipulates you, who keeps you in a state of childish self-centredness, constantly flattering your ego while twisting you around her finger, because that’s the only way she can get what she wants/needs.

You’d really rather have a partner who’d lie to you about her feelings than one who’d express them honestly? One who’d pretend to enjoy the things you enjoy and think the things you think rather than discuss things with you openly? One who’d steal small sums of money from your wallet and hide them in the kitchen in case she needs funds in an emergency than one who earns her own money and can look after herself? Really?

Peace and freedom my ass!

Kristin M. (of) Hounds

Whew!!

I’ll try to deal with the posts one at a time, althogh this is somewhat difficult to do while being stung by a hive of bees!

Pecunium, slow down, take a deep breath, and relax! The war is over for you! You are no longer in a godforsaken desert with women warriors protecting you and trying to keep your head from being blown off. You are safe at home, back in the good ole USA! Holster them shootin’ Irons!

You can disagree with me without getting personal, without spitting, cussing, and otherwise making yourself look like an intolerant and ignorant fool who hates what he can’t understand. There is NOTHING in my posts, about feminism–if read and understood correctly–which justifies such abuse!

My posts sometimes go a little ‘over the top”, and when I overstate my case, or make a mistake, either in fact or in impression, I am the first to gladly acknowledge it.

YOU, Pecunium, are the ONLY person on this website whose posts resemble that of a child having a temper tantrum! My posts, disagree as you–and others will–are thoughtful, clear, and I daresay, even quite intelligent! Every other person, (with the possible exception of ‘Voip’ and I am coming to him (or her) presently)
male or female, expresses disagreement–usually very strong disagreement–with my positions quite reasonably and in a way that still shows mutual respect and at least grudging courtesy.

Voip–where the HELL did you ever get the idea that I was interested in killing women who did not agree with me? I believe that women are very FOOLISH in their embrace of gender equality, I believe that their precious femininity can only be badly compromised and harmed by feminism and gender equality. I beleive that, yes, a compliant and more-or-less submissive woman is likelier to have a good relationship that one who is constantly looking for slights, itching for quarrels, and constantly fighting with her mate on who will wear the pants today! I recognise that women (and renegade male “housepets”) who embrace feminism and its policy proposals have done our society grave damage (beginning with de facto orphaned children of the past two generations) and this damage makes me angry! I also am reasonable enough and intelligent enough to see that the way to effect change is to change people’s minds, and to offer them something better–NOT to kill them!

My suggestions are radical (or reactionary) enough as they are…they need no embellishment from you or people like you, and I seek no harm to anyone!

Ami Angelwings–I don’t understand most of your posts, but I can assure you that I never supported any “Peace and Freedom” Party, never embraced their platform–if you quoted it accurately–and certainly don’t think that a socialist/ egalitarian organization of society would be a useful way of “every community retaining their cultural identity and living with each other in harmony” See almost all of my other posts–stout fences make for the best neighbors! To the extent that I have any politics at all, I am probably an anarchist of the “private law” society variety as best articulated by libertarians like Murray Rothbard, Hans Hermann-Hoppe, and Walter Block. IF I support anybody for President of the USSA–or what is left of this hellhole–it would probably be Constitutional Conservative Ron Paul (R)of Texas, and that only because I think that he offers the rest of us the best chance to claw ourselves out of the rubble under which you DemoPublicans left us with after more than a century of “progressivism”! My cultural and sexual norms and ideals are probably more conservative than those anarcho-libertarians cited above, but they are probably more conservative than everybody elses too, so they would have no bearing on my politics.

Kristinmh–Is it your time of the month, is it that they cancelled “Oprah”, or that you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Go back to sleep, and reply when you are feeling better.

Ozymandias42–My list–for both feminists and real women–was partial and incomplete. I have enough respect for my readers so that I can trust them to “fill in the blanks” and shouldn’t have to mention “kind” or “will share common interests with me”. The only question that I have, since YOU brought it up, is why, if you are such a good woman, have you gone through four–your words, not mine–men in the past few years. Couldn’t you find ONE man good enough for you? Maybe your feminism is still getting in the way.

Darksidecat, I have no idea where this obsession with “slaves” and “servants” onyour part even comes from? My models, and ideals are based on LOVE–not “power”! Slavery, by its very nature, is a purely hegemonic (power-based) relationship, and you, perhaps more than most people here, should see the difference!

Women are NOT slaves! They can’t be bought and sold, they may never be physically abused or whipped, and they have the right to leave an unsatisfactory relationship (although the follies of ‘no-fault divorce’ have to be looked at VERY CLOSELY!)
Darksidenight, words have a proper meaning, and “slavery” just does not enter into my ideal relationship–unlike feminists, who see EVERYTHING as a power-struggle, with a winner (preferably the female) and a loser–guess who?

Women in my view are complementary, NOT competitive, they seek a relationship of quality, NOT equality, they–like the men in their lives–seek pleasure, growth and personal (and eventually family) enhancement, NOT enslavement, NOT servitude, and certainly NOT the abuse which you characterise the norm of slavery in the ante-bellum south! Wake up and smell the coffee! Gender is complementary and harmonious, not a power struggle that the evil feminists have been foisting on us.

Look at the effects of FEMINISM on the decendents of the formerly enslaved…Marital breakdown, matriarchy and female-headed households: swarms of females crowding schools and colleges while men are crowding prisons and jails, millions of men drowning their wounded and corrupted masculinity with drugs or booze.A world where police can’t police, schools can’t teach, and where the local dope runner, “gangsta” or street corner thug provides the main, if not the only role model for what should be the up-and-coming generation! Those effects are in no way confined to African-Americans, but it seems that along with much other pathology and dysfunciton of the USSA that our REAL masters of the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderburg group, and similar mafias have planned for us, Africans are somewhat more vulnerable…

“Racists” may have done a lot of bad things, but the nightmare I have described came about as exclusively as a result of “progressive” and “egalitarian” laws and policies getting women out of the home and asserting “equality” with men. The New World Order in action! Even the KKK never dreamed up feminism!

It is not a pretty picture, and it is one that advocates of gender “equality” bear full responsibility for. If you are aiming your artillery, aim at the correct targets!

Rutee, if you are still capable of reading–apprahending from a page of printed matter some accurate and complete idea of its verbal contents–everything that I said to darksidenight will, I hope, answer your objections. I never mentioned “slavery” or “servitude, you did! When women and their men work–and play–in mutual love and attachment, the feminsit notions of ‘oppression”, power struggles, and gender (as opposed to class or race) conflict have no meaning!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

You know what’s really scary? The narcissists on this thread sound *just* like the rapists who force themselves on little boys and then say the little boy “asked for it”, because he was just so *damned seductive* prancing around in those little footie PJs or whatever.

Seriously. This is what rapists do. They project their own desires onto the victim, so they don’t have to believe what they’re doing is rape. Narcissism is strongly, positively correlated with the perpetration of rape and incest. It also sounds like some of this is internalized victim-blaming- i.e., someone victimized them, and told them it was their fault. Therefore, they believe victims “provoke” attacks.

These guys think *exactly like* rapists demonstrably think, and they wonder why the hell no woman wants to date them?! Uggghhh. And people wonder why many women don’t want to bring children into the world…

I love how bent out of shape he got about that xD

So DKM actually doesn’t understand my posts? xD Which posts do you not understand DKM? 😀 Perhaps you can point them out to see where the problem is? :3

Do you understand this post right now?

Which sentences so far do you not understand? 😀

My list–for both feminists and real women–was partial and incomplete. I have enough respect for my readers so that I can trust them to “fill in the blanks” and shouldn’t have to mention “kind” or “will share common interests with me”.

Who here do you think is not “kind”? What would make a woman kind in your opinion? :3

What are your interests? 😀

Ami: Maybe the xDs are getting him >:D

Meller: I realise this is hard for you to understand… It’s not personal, and you aren’t a special flower; possessed of The Truth.

There is NOTHING in my posts, about feminism–if read and understood correctly–which justifies such abuse!

Au contraire, mob petits choux You, when taken as read (as opposed to the charming self-delusion that you are merely speaking the simple truth) are entitled to far more abuse than you receive. The idea that you are sharing with us the reasonable truth and only our blinders keeps us from seeing the paradise you want to bring about (which paradise involves the subjegation of women; even if you don’t get lucky enough to live to see the rise of sexbots and artificial wombs so you can kill off most of the women on the planet) is folly.

And it’s hateful, and it’s evil.

You are not thoughtful. The things you’ve said about killing women are but one exemplar. Either you really believe that (which I think more than slightly possible, given the rank hostility in your apparent nature), or you lack the insight to comprehend that so over the top a reductio ad absurdem has to be couched in ways that make it plain it’s nothing more than a thought experiment.

You lack the skill with words to manage that.

I don’t think there is any, mutual respect with anyone here who disagrees with you. Anyone who refers to those who disagree with him as, “housepets,” is not showing respect for them, or their arguments.

As to courtesy, you have shown little, if any, and gotten (at least from me) far more than you deserve (just look at the dismissal of Kirtsenmh as being emotional because she’s on the rag [which I know to be very much not true, but that’s irrelevant, as it shows a lack of respect for her words, rather that you are attempting to say she is rendered incapable of thought by virtue of being female: that or the attempt to what, shame me? Discredit me, by making reference to my being a vet. Is this supposed to be a snark that I am living in some PTSD world of Apocalypse Now, or The Hurt Locker? It’s of a piece with the insult you tossed at Kirsten, or the jibe [with errors in spelling and grammar] at Rutee. Lacking in both respect and courtesy),

None of the courtesy I am showing has been grudging. If you should like me to drop civility, you have but to ask. I will not, however, blow smoke up your ass and pretend the illogical spewings of your mind (which you take the time to compose, and have the option to consider before posting) are other than the dreck they are. I will continue to consider them deliberate, as you have had the time to deliberate on them before sending them to the world, that we may judge you on them.

You are not brilliant. You are not set upon by evil forces. You are small-minded, petty, and delusional on the nature of the world. If being told these things is painful, well the truth hurts.

You believe that a woman who is subservient to men is the only acceptable female. She should be happy in her deferrment to him, she should be, compliant. You have said that if this does not come about then the expectable (and desireable) course of action is to kill them.

Ergo I’d Say VoiP summed you up pretty well.

Pam wins thread.

single paragraphs or less out of how many dozens of pages in toto?

Yeah, they’ve said dozens of things that aren’t unreasonable! Now let me just find that list of Dworkin quotes…

I believe that I stated in other posts that this was NOT ADVOCACY, it was extrapolation. It involved the possible, even likely, actions of men–three to six generations from now–who are very much like ourselves in many ways, being unrelentingly confronted by the hideous spectacle of so-called “women” constantly making them out to be enemies! Man the ‘oppressor’, man the ‘slavemaster’, man the ‘rapist’, man, the ‘abuser’, man, the ‘adversary…Cyberwives, Virtual reality, and abandonment of such horrid she-shrikes for something better is certainly understandable under the conditions, which feminists are creating today in a small(?) way, and tomorrow in a much larger way!

Firstly there is such a thing as a self-fulfulling prophecy.

You can see things others can’t. You can see things others don’t want to.

It is because of THEM, feminists and those who work with them, that he stark choice of enslavement, extermination, or wholesale exile of such loathsome anti-woman shrikes becomes a legitimate subject of discussion.

Your extrapolation is half-gleeful, half-reluctant, but you didn’t do this all by yourself. Your enemies forced the decision upon you.

I still hope for something better, but if my crystal ball is as cracked as everyone else’s, then men, by the millions, perhaps even billions, will see themselves–and each other–cornered by a vicious ENEMY, and the final outcome of feminism and gender equality will play itself out–but it will NOT be the fantasies of Betty Friedan, Robin Morgan, Gloria Steinem, Angela Davis, Andrea Dworken, Valerie Solanas (thought I forgot her, didn’t you?), Kathleen Mackinnon or Susan Brownmiller…

Life or Death, it is THEIR choice, not men’s generally, and certainly not mine!!

In the end, it’s really up to them, right?

One thing I should like to say on this day, which may be memorable for others as well as for us Germans: In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet and have usually been ridiculed for it. During the time of my struggle for power, it was in the first instance the Jewish race that only received my prophecies with laughter when I said that I would one day take over the leadership of the State and with it that of the whole nation and that I would then, among many other things, settle the Jewish problem. Their laughter was uproarious, but I think that for some time now they have been laughing on the other side of their face. Today I will once more be a prophet. If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, and this the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe! For the time when the non-Jewish nations had no propaganda is at an end.

http://wadsworth.com/history_d/special_features/ilrn_legacy/wawc2c01c/content/wciv2/readings/wciv2readingshitler2.html