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Spearheaders on the SlutWalks. Again. It’s bad.

From the Dallas SlutWalk

Oh dear. The Spearheaders are talking about the Slutwalks again. The discussion may be the worst on the subject that I have run across so far. Some of the lowlights:

Keyster seems downright pissed that women actually have the right to say no:

They’re high functioning children with sexual power and they don’t want you to forget it. They’re outraged that just because a young woman dresses and acts in a sexually provocative manner, that she might receive unwanted attention from young men that don’t appeal to her.

She should be able to dress like a street whore and abuse alcohol to the point of delerium and they feel compelled to lecture us on how that doesn’t mean this is an advertisment to be sexually harrassed, sexually assaulted or heaven forbid raped. …

They want the “RIGHT” to dress as sexually provocative as they want to without being constantly annoyed by lowly beta males. They’d prefer you not “sexually victimize” them, unless you’re hot and they’re into you, then it’s totally OK. …

Remember this: She didn’t bother to get dressed up for the likes of YOU. Her hope was a worthy athelete or Hollywood star might notice her and talk to her; not some weak, pathetic loser …

 “We’ve got the sexual power, the power of consent, the gate keeper of the holy vaginal crevice. See our bouncing propped up cleavage, our long legs and glorious ass protruding from those heels? You want it don’t you?

    ….ha, ha, ha…you can’t have it because I SAY SO! Because I have THIS power over you, lowly little man. Bow down to me and beg me a little, I might even let the others see me talking to you, without calling the cops.” …

    This isn’t feminism, it’s flaunting female sexual power in the faces of men.

You’re seriously complaining that woman have the “power of consent!?” EVERYONE has the power of consent. No one male or female is obliged to have sex with anyone they don’t want to. That’s, you know, rape. It bothers you that women are the “the gate keeper[s] of the holy vaginal crevice?” Who the fuck else should be the gatekeeper of a person’s vagina other than the person whose vagina it is? The mind reels. But apparently the 50+ upvoters of this piece of abhorrent nonsense aren’t bothered by any of this.

Demirogue, meanwhile, suggests we need to better discipline our women:

While perusing FB last week I came across the newest deviation of this mentality which is going topless. …  And they want to cry about rape? They need to cry but only because people said enough is enough and started to belt them on their asses.

Women need to be controlled and on a very, very short leash. They’ve been given every right, every option, every opportunity to be something and what do they do with it? Abuse and manipulate it with reckless abandonment and incessant demands.

Geography Bee Finalist himself thinks the slutwalkers must be retarded:

I wouldn’t worry too much about these Slutwalk sows.

They have no redeeming features. None.

They cannot figure out that if you dress like a whore, you deserve to be treated in a disrespectful manner. Even conservatively dressed mentally retarded women can figure this out and conduct themselves with more propriety and intelligence than these Slutwalkers … .

Knuckledragger blames it on those damned suffragettes:

…we let ‘em drive, we let ‘em vote, and this is what we get.

Ridiculous to even offer attention to another excuse to dress like a whore, goof off in public, and not bring me a beer.

Any man worth his salt should fire any skank who was “sick” from work to attend this nonsense.

SingleDad seems to think that all accusations of rape are made up:

Rape is now the extra tax women charge men if some how their unsatisfied with whatever arrangement was made before or after any encounter in or outside of marriage.

Other lowlights:

Poiuyt agreeing with Anders Breivik’s  “observations surrounding this femaleist pandemic,” while adding  that he  “is to be rebuked for taking the wrong cureative actions to solve it.”

Demirogue (in a second comment) complaining that “overvalued pussy is all [women today] have to offer and only to certain men.”

Anonymous age 69 explaining that “rape laws were intended to protect women of good character, from being sexually violated,” not “to protect promiscuous sluts .”

And more, much, much more. Many of the worst (including most of those quoted here) have many dozens of upvotes.  Go read the thread yourself, if you think you can stomach it.

There are no arguments to rebut here; I can only repeat the basic message that the slutwalks are trying to convey: no one deserves to be raped, no matter what they are wearing or how much consensual sex they engage in. Even if they show some cleavage or prefer athletes and/or rocks stars to so-called beta males.

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Pecunium
9 years ago

CB: About a year later she was at an amusement park with friends. The one who had driven sprained her ankle. My GF was the only other person who had any idea of how to drive stick.

Yeah… I think it’s an essential life skill.

Rutee
Rutee
9 years ago

I thought the bon-bon meme’s closest originator was Peggy from Married… with Children. Who herself probably took it from someplace else, but I have no idea where.

FactFinder
9 years ago

David, I need more information than a supposed Penthouse interview to form conclusions. Do you have something more than questionable print on the pages of adolescent wank-fodder or are you going to just keep pointing to it as though it were scripture? It seems you’re just desperate and chomping at the bits to sully anyone who questions feminism, no matter how elusive, opaque, or biased your sources may be.
Please, cross-reference your sources so we don’t have to keep going on with this back-and-forth bullshit. Or just bow out. I can’t really make you substantiate your claims, you can always run off and declare Internet victory or something.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

My next to last comment should read “I fell in the shower during my honeymoon.” Not that I didn’t do that other thing, too… 🙂

no more mr nice guy
9 years ago

After reading the discussion between David and various MRAs about what Warren Farrell (and Andrea Dworkin) said about incest and pedophilia, people need to remember that the attitude towards these things was totally different at that time. Warren Farrell didn’t say what he said because he would became later an MRA and Andrea Dworkin didn’t say what she said because she was a radical feminist. They both said it because they were living in the 1970s and the 1970s were, sexually, the anything goes decade.

As an example, Daniel Cohn-Bendit was one of the student leaders during the event in May 1968 in Paris. Later, he was involved with several Left-Wings radicals during the seventies and now he’s part of a European Left-Wing party. In 1975 he was working in a school in Germany and he wrote a book saying that he had sex with children. Nobody cared about it and the book was forgotten and around 2000, someone rediscovered it and Daniel Cohn-Bendit had to explain himself to the media.

One of the most famous female erotic writer of the 1970s was Xaviera Hollander. In 1971 she was the most famous high-class prostitute of New-York and she wrote a book called “The Happy Hooker” about her life that became an international best-seller. In the original edition she talks about all the orgies that she took part and said that she had sex with a dog. After she wrote several other books that all became international best-sellers. In another book she said while in the Europe, she had sex with a guy in front of his 8 years old son and the little boy touched her. When she came in Montreal in 1974, she was interviewed on TV and defended incest.

Maybe both Warren Farrell and Andrea Dworkin read together the books of Xaviera Hollander. 🙂

pervocracy
9 years ago

Well-sourced and substantiated claims are very important to FactFinder, because they send feminists running to do lots of research that MRAs can then dismiss with a single word and then go back to making their own ass-pulled claims.

FactFinder
9 years ago

What pervocracy is trying to say is that 70s Penthouse is a well-sourced and substantiated claim and anyone who says otherwise is dismissive.
Sorry, Penthouse is not a well-sourced claim. Now sit down and shut up so you don’t embarrass yourself again. Good girl.

no more mr nice guy
9 years ago

Factfinder, If someone wanted to defend incest in the1970s, the best place to do it was in Penthouse magazine.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Now sit down and shut up so you don’t embarrass yourself again. Good girl.

factfinder it is really precious when you try to be domineering, in like a a puppy trapped under a blanket type of way

Sharculese
9 years ago

whos a big tough man on the internet?! factfinder is ooooh yes he is!

Rutee
Rutee
9 years ago

Penthouse is a perfectly acceptable source if you’re trying to substantiate a claim that an interview was given to Penthouse, actually.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

David, I need more information than a supposed Penthouse interview to form conclusions. Do you have something more than questionable print on the pages of adolescent wank-fodder or are you going to just keep pointing to it as though it were scripture? It seems you’re just desperate and chomping at the bits to sully anyone who questions feminism, no matter how elusive, opaque, or biased your sources may be….Sorry, Penthouse is not a well-sourced claim. Now sit down and shut up so you don’t embarrass yourself again. Good girl.

You’ll “form conclusions” based on the carefully screened facts that make it into the Politburo between your ears and not a scrap of information more and we all know it.

There was substantial overlap between “respectable news source” and “wank fodder” back in the day, you deluded lickshite. In its heyday Playboy was famous for its interviews, “extensive (usually several thousand-word) discussion[s]” with notable figures. (I’m getting all of this from Wikipedia which is hardly difficult to locate, as far as facts go.)Alex Haley, for example, served as a Playboy interviewer on a few occasions; one of his interviews was with Martin Luther King Jr. and he also interviewed Malcolm X for Playboy before coauthoring his autobiography, on which you are cordially invited to blow me.

The fiction Playboy published included works by Saul Bellow, Sean O’Faolain, John Updike, James Dickey, John Cheever, Doris Lessing, Joyce Carol Oates, Vladimir Nabokov, Michael Crichton, John LeCarre, Irwin Shaw, Jean Shepherd, Arthur Koestler, Isaac Bashevis Singer, Bernard Malamud, John Irving, Anne Sexton, Nadine Gordimer, Kurt Vonnegut and J. P. Donleavy, as well as poetry by Yevgeny Yevtushenko. This last poet, you cockmongling waste of grey matter, was one of the best known poets of the 1950s and 1960s in the Soviet Union, although Akhmatova hated his work and his role as a dissident was questioned by hardcore anti-Soviet writers, although considering that your level of exposure to things that don’t support your pathetic beliefs appears to be roughly that of a veal calf’s, I don’t expect you to know the difference.

Unlike Playboy, Penthouse carried out its interviews primarily with celebrities; yet while they do not match the larger cultural relevance of Playboy’s offerings, they’re still solid pieces of journalism (this looks well-sourced to me, you waste of space: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html)and HERE’s THE SHOCKER, still quoted as evidence of things their subjects actually said. Asshole.

FactFinder
9 years ago

So you are not able to find a second source where Farrell makes those claims, then? I mean, he was working on a book on incest. This would be big news. You can at least find something other than a celebrity magazine for a purported sociological view, can’t you?
You have my permission to admit defeat. No, I will not “blow you” in exchange. I’m not sure where corrective homosexual face rape entered into this dialogue, but keeping in the spirit of feminist discourse I would advise you to kindly go fuck yourself instead. Have a glorious day.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

Just wanted to say to Raoul (I know this was ages ago), that David’s bringing up successful men was in direct response to one of the quotes. The relevant section reads:

“They want the “RIGHT” to dress as sexually provocative as they want to without being constantly annoyed by lowly beta males. They’d prefer you not “sexually victimize” them, unless you’re hot and they’re into you, then it’s totally OK. …

Remember this: She didn’t bother to get dressed up for the likes of YOU. Her hope was a worthy athelete or Hollywood star might notice her and talk to her; not some weak, pathetic loser …”

This is why David brought up the fact that, yes, women might want to have sex with someone who isn’t a so-called beta male…this isn’t an attack on anyone, it’s their right (to want to, not their right to actually have sex with whoever they want without consent).

Rutee
Rutee
9 years ago

You don’t need a second source to substantiate the claim that farrell said those things once, is the thing.

I have no doubt that he has since changed his mind of it, but that’s not what you’re trying to say.

FactFinder
9 years ago

Err, where does he confirm it? And where have we established that he said those things? Journalists lie and embellish all of the time. I just need more than a single article to confirm a shocking and out-of-character claim. I mean, have you read any of his books? Even his earlier work is nothing of that sort. It’s like reading on one blog that Obama killed a homeless man. If I read he was rude and unlikeable to the writer, that would be somewhat believable, but the more outrageous and unworldly the claim the more evidence is needed to substantiate it.

Rutee
Rutee
9 years ago

No, actually, that an interview happened with a magazine, and that the things that were said were said, is in fact not the same as a blog writing that the president has killed a man just to watch him die.

Not even Farrell opposes that the interview happened. He does not deny any of the things he said, except that he didn’t say “Genitally carress”, instead saying “Gently carress”. I could buy that. But if he isn’t saying the interview was entirely made up, and has no other problems with it, it’s entirely probable that this interview happened, and happened as was presented. You’re playing a solipsist game wherein you insist that even the dude who admits that the interview happened didn’t because… why?

Sarah
Sarah
9 years ago

Hey, Factfinder! I need some advice! I am a single lady right now, and I would really like to be a partnered lady. How would you suggest I go about finding myself a main squeeze?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

Did he bother to ask for a retraction? No? Why not?

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

You don’t need a second source to substantiate the claim that farrell said those things once, is the thing.
But he did say them more than once! They happen to be all over his published writings, in locations that are easily found by most people who haven’t bludgeoned themselves into imbecility with the repeated consumption of propaganda, when you Google “warren farrell incest.”

So you are not able to find a second source where Farrell makes those claims, then? I mean, he was working on a book on incest. This would be big news.
While that book remains unpublished, friend irrumator, God only knows why you missed this shit.

A quote from The Myth of Male Power is here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=jWj5OBvTh1IC&pg=PA37&dq=warren+farrell+incest&hl=en&ei=YgxCTtnxGMzRiALv2c2XBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=warren%20farrell%20incest&f=false

And here’s some things he has to say about date rape, also from The Myth of Male Power
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?11,95569,95569

Which itself is easily available not only for purchase, but also on torrent sites, if you’re into that. We can read along!

Meanwhile, if the Penthouse article contained things like this,
“When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200,” says Farrell, “the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. It is more likely that the father has good sex with his wife, and his wife is likely to know and approve — and in one or two cases to join in.”
then no fucking wonder you’d rather sweep it under the rug than deal with it. Have a splendid afternoon.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

edit:
*SINCE the Penthouse article contained things like this.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

Err, where does he confirm it? And where have we established that he said those things? Journalists lie and embellish all of the time. I just need more than a single article to confirm a shocking and out-of-character claim. I mean, have you read any of his books? Even his earlier work is nothing of that sort.

Out of character? He said date rape was “just called exciting” back in the day, and that incest is problematic because it gives the child power over the parent.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

“So you are not able to find a second source where Farrell makes those claims, then? I mean, he was working on a book on incest. This would be big news.”

I spent 45 seconds googling and found this LA Times article from 1993. In pertinent part:

“But Farrell says Friedan has been unhappy with him ever since he told her about his plans to write a book on incest that would include stories of ‘those who had positive (incest) experiences.’ “

FactFinder
9 years ago

http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448
You are welcome to do a search using the “look inside” feature. I read the original 1993 version and it did not condone incest. I’ll look again when I’m back at the library and perhaps even post a scan of my own.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

Also, nice job shifting from “Porn magazines aren’t journalism!” to “Yeah, well…find me a second source!”

tatjna
tatjna
9 years ago

And now NWO fails to grasp the basic difference between a capitalist economy and a free market one.

You’re embarassing yourself, mate.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

Maybe I should get this book so I know what the fuck he’s talking about here.

I DARE you to do a “Let’s Read” for any of Farrell’s works. Hell, I’ll participate.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Ok, I’m going to agree w/ Factfinder on one thing xD I find the phrase “blow me” extremely problematic too. :

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

While I originally wasn’t sure colostomy bags could type at all, FactFinder’s been quite nimble. Where’s he going next? THE GAME SO FAR:

August 9, 7:06 PM:
I need more information than a supposed Penthouse interview to form conclusions. Do you have something more than questionable print on the pages of adolescent wank-fodder or are you going to just keep pointing to it as though it were scripture?…Sorry, Penthouse is not a well-sourced claim. Now sit down and shut up so you don’t embarrass yourself again. Good girl.

[I post something about how porn magazines can have journalism in them as well; many other people post about how primary sources work]

August 9, 11:50 PM:
Journalists lie and embellish all of the time. I just need more than a single article to confirm a shocking and out-of-character claim. I mean, have you read any of his books?

[I post links to a book and a forum post that quote one of his books, displaying that Farrell not only has a fucked-up attitude toward incest but has mentioned it repeatedly. Bee links to a statement Farrell made to the LA Times in 1993 that he intended to write a book about “positive incest experiences.”]

August 9,12:13 AM:
I read the original 1993 version [of “The Myth of Male Power”] and it did not condone incest.

[David cites the 1993 “Myth of Male Power”, which he owns, with page number, as well as quotes from “Why Men Are the Way They Are” on Farrell’s own website. While these excerpts don’t “condone” rape exactly, they demonstrate that Farrell has a problematic concept of sex and power, and provide a deeper context for the Penthouse interview, which by now does not seem “out of context” at all.]

Your move, you santorum-spitting dicknob.

VoiP
VoiP
9 years ago

Ok, I’m going to agree w/ Factfinder on one thing xD I find the phrase “blow me” extremely problematic too. :

I’m sorry, Ami. I intended the remark as a brief part of a string of abusive comments directed at FactFinder after he patronized Holly. I didn’t know that that’s the one he would fixate on, “jokingly” insulting me (and probably hoping that he would split his opposition) by insinuating that I’m advocating “corrective rape”. If you want the line removed, it’s OK for David to get rid of it.

Magical Laura (@_magical_laura)

*nod* I don’t like it either… I find phrases to that effect v. triggering, thank you for being understanding VoiP.

Raoul
Raoul
9 years ago

@Lyn, 8/9: Thank you for clarifying. One must do the assigned reading to understand the day’s lesson.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Haha, I missed this: Now sit down and shut up so you don’t embarrass yourself again. Good girl.

It’s amazing how someone can say this WHILE TRYING TO ARGUE HE ISN’T SEXIST.

I’d understand (hate it, but understand) if MRAs would say “we’re misogynist because women suck and misogyny is awesome!” But instead they have this vague awareness that misogyny is supposed to be a bad thing, so they end up saying “we’re not misogynist… also, women suck!”

Also, Farrell has problems besides incest:

Nobody really believes in equality anyway. For example, if we really believed in equality we’d be paying about two to three times as much for each house as we pay. Because if we really believed in equality of outcome we would say that fifty percent of the people building our homes have to be women. You know what it would take cost-wise to get a woman to sacrifice her life to the degree that construction workers do? There are construction workers killed every single workday hour in the United States. It would take much more excruciating safety standards. Rafters would practically be in glass so the women couldn’t get hurt. We would have to pay women so much more for the rest of their life that the cost of housing would soar. And we probably would pay almost twice as much for housing as we currently do, especially for the building of skyscrapers.

That’s straight from his current website, and it’s complete “women don’t do real work” bullshit. (It’s also stealth-misandrist in that he seems to think it’s okay if male construction workers get killed. At least it keeps costs down!)

Pecunium
9 years ago

Factfinder is trying to say that the interview isn’t well sourced? That Farrell’s words aren’t his words (of which he contests all of one, as a mishearing of genital for gentle).

Words on tape, and transcribed aren’t good enough.

It seems not so much fact, as agenda driven.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

Pecunium, this is random and easily a day late but I wasn’t offering the Big Apple a back-handed compliment. I really do love it I loved living there, visit it often, and have always found it to be full of some of the friendliest people I’ve ever known. No matter it’s reputation for surly rudeness. It breathes. You run into adventures all the time. And I have no doubt that if the woman changing her tire had asked for help someone would have done so.

At the risk of stereotyping New Yorkers, they don’t suffer fools and they can be incredibly blunt. But, man, is that city a good time. I hope you love it.

In examples of the oddly prescient, I nearly ran into a deer while driving home last night. It darted out into the street and I thought, “Damn! Now I have to floor it into this deer.” Fortunately, it was a city deer and it didn’t get caught in the headlights but ran back into the neighbor’s yard.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Nobinayamu: I’ve pretty much loved most places I’ve chosen to live (some of the places I’ve been sent by the army weren’t quite so pleasant).

The first visit I made here, a year ago, it reminded me, in a surprising number of ways of a mix of LA and SF. I’ve got time to keep exploring, but yeah, it breathes.

darksidecat
9 years ago

The creepiest thing about Farrell’s incest drivel is that he is clearly talking about child molestation. There could possibly more nuanced and complex discussions about consensual adult incest, but Farrell isn’t talking about that, he’s talking about molesting kids.

Friedrich
Friedrich
9 years ago

Dear Man Boobz, I’m afraid to tell you no longer have any fairness or sense of equality in this neo-feminist bullshit.

Of course most of the articles from other websites you post are indeed harmful and unfair, but what came to my attention is the fact that everything this damn place did so far was to hit on those articles.

Although, when in rare occasions something indeed correct appears and you simply can’t accept it, I am afraid all I and many other people see is just some neo-feminist puppet trying to be a smartass, like in here. When did he say those women SHOULD BE RAPED? All he said is that if women want dress dirty they will have dirt in their ears, that’s all.

In no way this is any kind of harassment, quite the contrary, those women ARE THE REAL HARASSERS, rewarding future generations of little girls to act like sluts and be proud of that and stimulating young boys to pursue those so called “Femme Fatale”,”Independent” women, hot chicks, “heroic” ladies or even “Right” Marshals, whatever you want.

They are nothing BUT AMERISKANKS.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Friedrich – One question. Just one.

What exactly is “dressing like a slut?”

I have to know this exactly if I am to avoid being a harasser and getting the punishment I deserve.

Like, shorts. Are shorts cool? Is there a particular length? Does it depend on my build? Depend on the weather? Depend on the fabric?

If everything is my fault for dressing like an Ameriskank, I want a goddamn diagram of how to not be an Ameriskank.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Friedrich… [citation needed]

Rutee
Rutee
9 years ago

The guy we’re mocking is our puppet? Really?

“When did he say those women SHOULD BE RAPED? All he said is that if women want dress dirty they will have dirt in their ears, that’s all.””
Treating it as natural law, as the correct consequence to her actions, is in fact saying women should be raped. Like you’re doing now

theindigolemon
theindigolemon
9 years ago

Actually, Holly, I have some more questions. Where do you get off blaming other people for your own sexual frustration? Since when it harassment to wear certain articles of clothing? Does it matter if you totally ignore the objects of your harassment?

Further, what about all those sexy gay men I see on the streets of New York in their cute little v-necks and rolled-up shorts? God, it’s like they’re proud of the fact that everyone can see their tight, smooth chests, and not one of them has any intention of fucking me. It’s unjust. I mean, it’s not like they deserve to be violated, but, I mean, it’s biology, right? What do they expect a red-blooded woman like myself to do? They can’t just walk around the streets of New York like goddamn Ameriskanks and expect there to be no consequences for the way that they dress.

And what about that hot, straight German tennis player who lived next door to me freshman year of college? How dare he wear those little pajamas and then refuse to fuck me? Maybe I won’t blame myself for being an asshole, but him for being, shall we call it, a German-o-skank? You’re right, everything is everyone else’s fault.

I know it’s been said before, but it can’t be said enough. Women have sexual needs and desires too, desires that are often frustrated. But women don’t tend to call it harassment when men ignore them.

Pecunium
9 years ago

theindigolemon: I believe the correct term is, “Deutcheskank”.

Slutwalk is sad
Slutwalk is sad
7 years ago

As a stranger rape survivor I really hate slutwalk. The woman who started this absurd movement has never been raped and reacted to the story on the news, in her own words, because she “slept with a lot of people in high school” and was called a slut for it.

This is the equivalent of someone being mildly injured playing paintball and then deciding they have the right to lead a global march for war veterans.

RAPE IS A VIOLENT CRIME NOT A FEMINIST CAUSE.

Many conservative women, men and others who want nothing to do with feminism are raped, and we do not appreciate having our tragedy exploited by sex-positive feminists. Slutwalk is sick and is an additional injustice to rape survivors. WE ARE SURVIVORS NOT SLUTS!

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