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Susan Walsh: Chartbreaker, Part 2

Happy day!  Susan Walsh has drawn another diagram! Loyal readers of Man Boobz will recall the last time that Walsh, a would-be relationship expert who blogs at Hooking Up Smart, tried her hand at diagram making. It wasn’t pretty. In an attempt to sketch out the economic costs of sluthood, Walsh cobbled together an extravagantly convoluted mess of a flow-chart based on little more than a few bad assumptions and what she insisted was common sense.

This time, Walsh attempts to chart how the sexual revolution has transformed dating, borrowing her argument largely from some dude called Frost who blogs about sex and relationships and PUA bullshit at  Freedom Twenty-Five.

Back in the old “leave it to Beaver” days, Frost argues, virtually all men and women paired off efficiently with partners who exactly matched their level of hotness, as charted on the infamous ten-point scale beloved of pickup artists and other such creatures. Fives married fives, nines married nines, and even lowly ones were able to find true love and hot ugly sex with others as unfortunate as they were. As Walsh puts it, attempting to make all this somehow sound vaguely scientific:

This system worked pretty well in achieving equilibrium with respect to SMV (sexual market value).

Naturally, neither Frost nor Walsh offer any evidence that any of this was true. Which only makes sense, since it, er, wasn’t.

Let’s set that aside for a moment and move on to our current fallen state, post-sexual revolution. Now, apparently, a small minority of hot dudes score all the chicks, from nines on down to threes. Everyone else spends their lonely nights alone with their hands and a choice of vibrator or fleshlight.

Here’s where the diagram comes in. It’s a doozy:

From "Hooking Up Smart."

Now, Walsh doesn’t actually explain how she knows this (or, rather believes it, since it clearly is not true), or why exactly she thinks the sexual revolution is to blame. But Frost does, sort of. With the sexual revolution, he argues,

the social convention of monogamy starts to break down. Women are free to do what they want, and they quickly realize that the men they can persuade to have short-term sexual relationships with are much, much more attractive than the men willing to marry them. Attractive men are free to eschew marriage, and instead maintain a harem of rotating friends-with-benefits and one-night stands. Super-attractive men (professional athletes, rock stars, bloggers) can spend every night with a different coterie of young, attractive women, railing lines off their ass cheeks and banging them senseless.

Sounds great for men. And not too bad for women either, who get to shag NHL players and bloggers instead of their ho-hum husbands.

Wait a minute. “… and bloggers?” Bloggers are now the alpha males? I wish I’d known this sooner!

But every woman who elects to join a harem, must necessarily leave a lonely man behind in the great mating scramble. … The men at the bottom are left to their RPGs and porn.

So there you have the effects of the sexual revolution on men: Great for the few, awful for the teeming masses.

Well, there’s a certain logic to that argument. It’s just not, you know, true.

Walsh and all the manosphere dudes who’ve convinced themselves that 80% of men have been left sexless have it backwards: as a handy FAQ at the Kinsey Institute points out, only about 10 percent of men don’t have sex during any given year. The average frequency of sex ranges from more than 100 times a year for those in their teens and twenties to about 70 times a year for those in their 40s.

But what about the ladies? Frost explains that they suffer too, especially those unfortunate enough to be mega-hotties. Frost seems to base this conclusion almost entirely on the sexual history of one Betty Draper. This seems a very small sample size to me. Also, she’is fictional. But that doesn’t stand in Frost’s way:

What about the top woman? The ultimate hottie? Previously, she had the top man all to herself. She literally could not have asked for anything more, assuming as I do that women naturally gravitate toward sleeping with the one man who is their best option at a given time, while men are only as faithful as their options. Suddenly, her man is beset by hussies, plying him with offers of cheap sex. How does Betty Draper feel about the breakdown of monogamy in her world? …

Now [the top women] must choose between sharing, or settling for a man far below her previous catch. Meanwhile, uglier women can choose between monogamy with a man far above her previous level, or a shared slice of one of the top men. She is unequivocally better off, as the hotter women are unequivocally worse off.

Frost concludes:

The Sexual Revolution harms attractive women, and unattractive men. It benefits unattractive women, and attractive men.

Betty Drapers of the world, unite!

Naturally, none of this is the fault of men. It is, Frost and Walsh apparently agree, the fault of all those mid-level bitches slutting it up with the top men. It’s all their fault that the ladies at the top and bottom are getting left high and dry.

Indeed, it’s high time that the hottest hotties stood up for their rights, Frost argues in a second blog post:

It never seems to occur to the hot girls of the world that the sexual revolution is the cause of their troubles. Without it, the best that a top man could do is find a top woman, and devote his life to her. In our present dystopia,  he can find that top woman, and rip her heart and soul to pieces by maintaining a harem of flings on the side.

If it wasn’t for the legions of female 7′s and 8′s throwing themselves at the male 9′s, the female 9′s could have their men all to themselves. But in the world as it is, they will always be competing with the omnipresent availability of cheap and easy sex.

Were the hot women to regain their hot pride, sluts and feminists alike would quake in their boots:

The greatest fear of the feminists is that desirable women like yourselves will wake up the lies they’ve been fed, embrace their feminine modesty, and cast the harsh light reality on of the fat, shrill, used-up slutwalkers and middle-aged divorcees.

What of the not-quite-hotties? Walsh has some harsher advice for all those “mediocre sluts” out there riding that alpha asshole cock carousel. She writes:

For less attractive women, an objective assessment of market value is essential. That can only be realized by evaluating which men are interested in dating you rather than banging you.

In other words: mid-level ladies, you’re still losers. Eventually, you asses will get fat, your skin will get wrinkly, and the alpha assholes will grow tired of banging you. So what are you poor gals to do? Walsh offers this grim assessment:

These are the hard truths of the Post Sexual Revolution era. There are a few winners, and many losers. It is difficult to see how equilibrium can ever be regained. For now at least, your only option is to think carefully and realistically about your personal life goals. Make sure the choices you’re making get you closer to them.

(Confidential to Susan Walsh: You do know that using terms like “equilibrium,” like you’re some sort of sexual economist, doesn’t actually make your bullshit true?)

Given that everything in Frost and Walsh’s posts here is such unmitigated bullshit, I think I have some better advice for women of all hotness levels (if they haven’t already figured this out for themselves): stop taking relationship advice from a woman who wants you to hate yourself.

And speaking of bad choices: those smileys? Oy. Strive for elegant simplicity, not tacky clutter.

NOTE: Chuck on Gucci Little Piggy has written a response of sorts to this post. I’ve replied on his blog here. But there is something distressing going on there: Someone has posted several rude comments there under the name “Man Boobz.” THAT PERSON IS NOT ME. If any of you are responsible, STOP IMMEDIATELY. I’ve asked Chuck to ban that person and delete the comments.

EDITED TO ADD: Chuck changed the name of the commenter to “not man boobz.” That makes sense to me.

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evilwhitemalempire
evilwhitemalempire
13 years ago

“I’m v curious”

Curious people think for themselves.

evilwhitemalempire
evilwhitemalempire
13 years ago

“What about women who aren’t baby factories? (who don’t even have the blue print of one?) Are they therefore less selective?”

The fact that you’ve said this automatically proves you’re too dense to understand the answer.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I see xD How about you give out the answer and see who else is too dense to understand it? 😀

After all, I’m a woman who can never be a baby factory xD I’m always curious about where I’m placed in this “EVERYTHING IS BIOLOGICALLY HARDWIRED FOR MEN AND WOMEN” thing 😀

and so far nobody will answer xD

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Curious people think for themselves.

So therefore the ppl Susan WILL give her “evidence” to are those that don’t think for themselves? xD

That explains a lot xD

evilwhitemalempire
evilwhitemalempire
13 years ago

Doesn’t matter whether or not you can have babies. You act on instinct dopey girl.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

So what IS my instinct? 😀 is it male or female? 😀

Is the instinct in my DNA? like Y chromosome vs X, etc?:D

or whut? 😀

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

How much of my personality does the instinct affect btw? 😀

katz
13 years ago

Ooh, I want to try this style of argument.

“Why do you think the world is run by a cabal of evil lizard people?”

“The fact that you had to ask proves that you’re too dense to understand the answer.”

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Dun interrupt Katz xD For once, I want an MRA to answer this question about me xD

katz
13 years ago

Sorry. I think your existence is breaking EWME’s brain.

Rutee
Rutee
13 years ago

Oh, and I just noticed this comment.

“Even the posts here are based on ridicule, not keen observation or analysis.”
That you think these things are mutually exclusive says more about your reading comprehension than it does about the posts here. I and others have been very specific in both making fun of you *and* pointing out where and how your claims lack substance and need to be supported with evidence. Just because you’re not capable of doing two things at once doesn’t mean the rest of us are confounded by basics in writing and presentation.

For fuck’s sake, one of the most emblematic comedian archetypes of all time is the Court Jester, who combined wit, a keen eye for politics, and ridicule.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

@Rutee or the Rodeo Cat 😀

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
13 years ago

Females are still more selective than males are.

They are wired this way because being a baby factory (as opposed to just providing blueprints) imposes stricter limits on how many babies you can have with your DNA in them.

Hmm, this actually makes sense. As we all know, men used to be selective and women used to be the ones who were too “lustful” and couldn’t keep it in their pants… back when babies were made via homunculus injection… in which the father was the true baby factory! So the biological reality must be that whoever has to pop a brand new organism out of their genitals is more selective; first it was men, now it’s women.

So probably male seahorses demand flowers and commitment? And salmon universally don’t give a fuck, but just slut around like the externally-fertilizing egg-laying little ho’s they are? (Once we get the uterine replicators up and running those mechanical wenches will probably demand marriage, too, darn baby factories!) Guys it is SO RATIONAL.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
13 years ago

That’s why, now that I’m pregnant and losing my waist, thus going from a 10 to a 9.8, my husband is temporarily leaving me.

As someone who walked in a recent slutwalk I’m apparently automatically both a “slut” a “1”, so I suppose I better jump on that man. (Ha ha, kristinmh, I’m totally lowering your market value right now! Don’t hate, girl; it’s biology.)

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
13 years ago

This thread got freakin’ hilarious while I was asleep.

Also, mad props to Rutee.

susanawalsh
susanawalsh
13 years ago

@David

Your stock and trade is snark. You write a blog making fun of others, yet you have no original thoughts of your own. You call out others and demand citations but no one can call you out because you are a cipher. You’re just making noise.

Rutee
Rutee
13 years ago

“Your stock and trade is snark. You write a blog making fun of others, yet you have no original thoughts of your own. You call out others and demand citations but no one can call you out because you are a cipher. You’re just making noise.”

Complaining about skeptics =/= substantiating your fact claims.

Amused
Amused
13 years ago

Your ideas aren’t original, Susan. This bullshit is bread-and-butter of pseudo-intellectual virtual cocktail parties, you just added a diagram to make it look sciencey and shit.

Also David may employ a lot of snark, but at least he’s not a snob. Speaking of the difference between connoisseurship and snobbery: Beaujolais, seriously? Jesus, that’s so entry-level. What did you, take a popular wine appreciation course to raise your SMV or something?

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
13 years ago

@Susan

While it’s true that David’s blog does not show many original ideas (nor is it intended to–the mission statement is pretty clear on the front page) that really doesn’t have anything to do with the criticisms leveled against you.

kristinmh
kristinmh
13 years ago

I resent the term “baby factory”. It implies that any babies I produce are identical, shoddy, and mass-produced. I prefer to be called an “artisanal baby creator”, as each one (assuming I have more than this one, which I’m by no means sure of) will be a unique work of art.

Bagelsan, I’m sneering disapprovingly at you. >_>

Pecunium
13 years ago

re nerds/nerd culture: I wonder if people aren’t doing some post hoc reasoning/no true scotsmen defining.

What is it that makes a nerd? And what is “nerd culture”? I belong to several cultures which were “nerdy”. (RPGs, back when that was exclusively dice, SF Fandom, early paintball, orchestra, choir, wargaming).

All of those had people who were completely clueless socially (wargamers had some of the worst of it Guys who would go to GenCon and sleep in the corner for four days… Oi!).

But the groups I spent time with… had a mix. There were always women in the crowd (well not the paintball, and not so much the wargaming; for different reasons. The former because, well I don’t know, the latter had some serious, “Girls are too stupid to do the math/understand tactics” nonsense).

Are there large swathes of “nerds” who are completely out of touch with women/don’t see women as real people? Yes. But there are lots of them who manage to deal with women as people. Who have relationships, who aren’t total wastes of space, and I think they belong to the culture.

I think it’s really that the Geek Fallacies are alive and well, and the asshats are allowed to be the loudest people in the room.

Sharculese
Sharculese
13 years ago

Your stock and trade is snark. You write a blog making fun of others, yet you have no original thoughts of your own. You call out others and demand citations but no one can call you out because you are a cipher. You’re just making noise.

Really? Your “stock and trade,” “for all intensive purposes” is tossing a handful of breadcrumbs on the table and having a huffnpuff when nobody else will connect the dots just so to make a picture of the empire state building falling into the sea while an attractive man has sex with an unattractive woman on top of it.

what you do isn’t science, because science means accepting the possibility that your research won’t bear out your initial assumptions, something you’re clearly not prepared to do. it’s parlor games for the perpetually outraged, dinner conversation for smug moral scolds, a self-impressed phrenology of the phallus, and i don’t see where you’ve given reason to treat it as more than that.

no more mr nice guy
13 years ago

Most guys in the manosphere say they are “nerds”, but they are not. They are emotionally underdeveloped. I remember reading a posting on The Spearhead about the open-source community and it’s clear they don’t know much about it. They may work in a computer-related field but they are not nerds. Furthermore if these guys were real nerds, it means most of them would have high-paying jobs and it’s obvious reading them that it’s not the case. And real nerds would not believe in the stupid bullshit that these guys believe. The type of misogyny that nerds exhibit is usually to believe that women cannot be nerds.

no more mr nice guy
13 years ago

I’m trying to imagine why anyone would want to be in a committed, monogamous relationship if the only things that matter are looks and perceptions of social dominance.

These people constantly confuse one-night-stands and relationships. It’s the reason Susan Walsh believe that Mystery is a relationship guru. In a one-night-stands look count much more than in a relationship.

Furthermore the guys at Hookingupsmart are convinced that ugly and obese men above 40 are entitled to 18 years virgin supermodels.

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