Anyone who has spent much time at all on MRA message boards knows that they tend to be littered with vague and ominous “predictions” of an inevitable violent backlash of men driven to fury by our supposed feminist overlords; some of these predictions are delivered with such obvious relish that they seem little more than justifications in advance for future murderous rampages on the part of people not too far distant in their ideology from Anders Breivik.
Of course, most of those making such predictions-cum-threats don’t want to actually face any culpability when their bullshit gets real. Fear not, MRA prognosticators, for one prominent British MRA has come up with what he sees as a brilliant way for MRAs to avoid getting implicated in future terrorists attacks. According to longtime MRA blogger Angry Harry we shouldn’t blame violence on the beliefs of right-wing terrorists – we should instead blame it on the people they’re mad at.
Angry Harry uses this bit of sophistry to explain away any culpability the right seems to have in the Norway massacre:
The recent massacre by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway is being portrayed by the left-wing media (such as the BBC) as being motivated by extreme right-wing groups – the idea, as ever, being to demonise and, hence, to intimidate, as much as possible, anybody who does not support their malicious self-serving agenda.
But if you look more closely at the evidence, it is quite clear that, if anything, it was the various machinations and rhetoric engaged in by the deceitful LEFT that infuriated this man. …
Quite simply, it is the Left, not the Right, who are the more to blame for this incident.
Ingenious. Of course, this logic only really works if you agree with the extremist ideology of the terrorist or murderer in question. Let’s apply Angry Harry’s approach to a historical example that also involved extremism and murder on a large scale:
Hitler hated Jews. Hitler killed Jews. Therefore, according to Angry Harry’s logic, we should blame the Jews for getting him so mad in the first place.
Is that unfair? Given that Breivik is a mass murderer with many ideas strikingly similar to those of Hitler, I think not. The logic is the same, whatever the body count.
Apparently Harry thinks his bit of rhetorical sleight-of-hand will absolve MRAs when, not if, the violence comes:
MRAs need to get to grips with this type of situation because it won’t be long before they are being blamed for something or other – perhaps a family court judge being murdered.
Why might this be a particularly sensitive issue for Harry? Perhaps because in another posting of his, he offered a justification for doing just that — murdering family court justices and those involved in enforcing their decisions.
In a post with the blunt title “Why Violence Is Often Justified,” Harry put it this way:
[A]nybody who takes away a man’s children and/or his home deserves little sympathy if they suffer significant retribution.
I suppose that for some men, arguing their case in court is a reasonable option, but for many men – particularly the less intelligent, the less wealthy, the less articulate and/or the less able they are to deal with officialdom – such an option is going to get them nowhere. And so, in my view, violence is not only understandable and predictable, but also morally quite justifiable.
To put it bluntly: If someone is taking away your home and your children then I think that you are quite justified in behaving violently towards them.
In his recent posting on Breivik, Harry offered an obligatory comment suggesting that, if course, he wasn’t actually justifying the Norwegian’s actions – oh, no! – even though the logic of his argument seems designed to do just that. Then he went on to make some predictions about what the future holds for his leftist and feminist enemies:
I think that it is fairly obvious to my most excellent readers that the war against the Left is hotting up. …
In fact, what I can never seem to understand is why it is taking so long for people – particularly for men – to rise up against the Left, given its appalling attitude and behaviour over the past two decades.
In combination with the feminists, the leftists have done their very best – with much success over here in Europe – to break up our countries, our cultures and our families, while at the same time heaping hatred upon hatred on to their very own people!
I just cannot understand how they have gotten away with this for so long.
You cannot go round continuing to display rigid intolerance and horrendous injustice against millions of men in your very own country and not expect some kind of violent backlash from them.
And matters are definitely going to get much worse.
He ends with a weasel-worded half-endorsement of this “violent backlash.”
The war against the Left will just continue escalating and, at some stage, with any luck, the leftists and the feminists will be defeated without too much carnage.
Well, that’s reassuring. Harry doesn’t want there to be “too much carnage.”
Which naturally leads to the question: just what does Harry regard as the right amount of carnage?
I hope we never have to find out.
@pervocracy
” So, NWO, do you think Breivik was justified? Do you support his actions?”
For starters i’m on moderation so answer I give could come a day or two late making it a pointless conversation. Perhaps I’ll change my name to “the moderatedman.” Also, as was told to me, I don’t deserve any answers so neither do you.
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@Captain Bathrobe
“Really, NWO, it’s just getting tiresome at this point.”
Is the tedium of always being right weighing heavy upon you? Perfection is such a heavy burden. Being always wrong I’m carefree and happy go lucky!
““Why’d you make me have the authorities incarcerate you?”
Because you committed domestic violence, fucker. Easy. Problem solved.
nwoslave’s philosophy starts to make sense once you realize the guiding premise is that nothing can ever be his fault for any reason ever
NWO, you’re in moderation because, well, you break an assortment of my commenting rules on a daily basis. I’ve given you lots more leeway than I’ve given any other commenter because you’re generally entertaining and b/c most of us know that you’re always full of shit, so there’s not much danger of anyone taking you seriously. You’re on moderation now because you finally bored me with your cut-and-pasted off-topic rants. I still let most of your comments through.
Though in the case of your most recent comment about VAWA, I didn’t, because you were repeating a falsehood about it that has been rebutted many times before.
Again, if you want to be able to go on about whatever you want and make up your own facts to suit yourself, I suggest you get a blog of your own. Or go the Spearhead, where they actually upvote your nonsense.
I am busy as hell working on a device that converts passive-aggressive whining into electric power.
Hook it up to Slaver, and my energy needs will be met for the rest of my life.
ZRM, if you succeed, we could harness the whole Manosphere and make the United States energy independent. A noble dream indeed.
NWO still won’t let those wily feminists corner him into the compromising radical-left position of opposing mass murder (of kids, many of them boys.)
You gotta admire a man so fucking dense that he won’t agree to “murder is bad.”
Hey NWO: I’m not trying to trick you into saying murder is bad. I’m trying to trick you into admitting you think murder is awesome.
So far, you’re falling for it.
@David Futrelle
My cut and paste arguements Dave? You’re kidding right? I was recently lectured on my white male privilege. Even though I gain no privilege from my white male privilege I’m still privileged due to owning white male privilege.
I wouldn’t moderate too many people for “copy and paste” commenting or ya might end up with a bunch of blank pages.
And lets be honest Dave, without what the gang calls trolls, which is anyone who doesn’t offer their freshly sliced off nuts at the altar of feminism, your blog is just another feministe echo chamber.
That’s. Not. How. It. Works. You moron.
The idea that there will be a conflict between angry beta males and feminists/Left wingers/Alpha males is widespread among many MRAs but all of them think it will happens after their deaths because they are coward.
I’m tired of right-wingers and their stupid shit. The more extreme the are, the more likely they are to take the convenient route of blaming “the left”/”leftists”/”liberals” for all of society’s ills. They pine for the simpler times, where one’s sex, race and age determined how much worth one had.
“That being said , in some circumstances obviously violence is justified. Self defense, extreme injustice and all legal options exhausted, yes”
Oh my god, my brain has been scrambled from the online MRA/PUA-crossover-sphere.
I read the above sentence as,
“That being said , in some circumstances obviously violence is justified. SLUT defense, extreme injustice and all legal options exhausted, yes”
I wonder if SLUT defense is defense against sluts or defense using slutty techniques.
@ FuckMRAs:
“Dear Angry Harry,
Not scared. Bring it, motherfucker.
Signed,
Fuck MRAs”
Right there with you. This dumbass sounds like another right-wing moron whose worldview has been cast in concrete since the Sixties and thus still believes all us left-of-center folks are happy little pacifist hippies. Sorry Harry, the tie-dye clashes with my evil black rifles.
Will you menfolk stop fighting amongst yourselves and go out and hunt us womenfolk some mammoths already!
Raaaarrrrrrrr!!!!
. The more extreme the are, the more likely they are to take the convenient route of blaming “the left”/”leftists”/”liberals” for all of society’s ills.
Also, the whinier they if anyone calls them on their shit.
Hey, HINDU! What’s up? Just wanted to let you know that I posted a link to the SlutWalk Delhi page you put up a while ago on my blog, http://www.fedupvermont.org (I’m in Vermont and we’re organizing Slutwalk here). I loved your site, it looks awesome!
Thread won. Nothing left to say on this subject.
@Captain Bathrobe
“Really, NWO, it’s just getting tiresome at this point.”
Is the tedium of always being right weighing heavy upon you? Perfection is such a heavy burden. Being always wrong I’m carefree and happy go lucky!
Same bullshit, different day.
FIFY
@Kristin, she’s an older woman, this was the south in the 70s in the US (the black and Jewish angle was mentioned heavily at the hearing, the sexuality angle, including that sodomy was a crime, was the official legal reason). She never got custody back, but reconnected with them when they were adults.
Of course, there are still plenty parts of the US that still allow discrimination or proactively discriminate in child custody based on gender identity and sexuality (my home state only threw out a policy that required an lgb/queer parent to have an affirmitive duty to prove their sexuality was not harmful in all child custody cases about a year and a half ago, there is still no rule against discrimination, but now there is no longer a policy making it expected in every case, which is an improvement). And, what was it, fourteen states that still had sodomy laws in practice in 2003 when the Lawrence v Texas decision came down?
Onto other topics: the funniest (in a sad way) thing about a lot of right wing complaints about the left is that the left becomes this all purpose boogey man instead of an actual political position. I have even heard people say things like that socialists supported huge corporations (my response was “do you know what the word “socialist” means? It is sort of the exact opposite of that”).
Kinda the same way MRA’a keep insisting that feminists all watch Sex and the City.
Breaking News just in! A commenter by the moniker of “Adonis” asks on an MRA-PUA-crossover-site;
How to make a woman pay for everything…
How to pull off an ELEVEN-SOME… 10 Women & Adonis
How to pick up rich women when a guy is broke (Can It be done!)
To be fair to NWO, I do like freshly sliced cis male parts on my feminist altar. It’s an excellent addition to the decor. Gets lots of comments.
::crosses legs::
“To be fair to NWO, I do like freshly sliced cis male parts on my feminist altar. It’s an excellent addition to the decor. Gets lots of comments.”
Lyn, google “lingam puja”