Here’s a little screed, originally from happierabroad.com, that’s been making the rounds of the manosphere lately. The author, anonymous, describes himself as “an Arab, who has lived and travelled all over the world and is a keen observer of society and people.” The aim of his writing? To let those of us in the West know just how disappointed he is with all of us. Especially the wussies and bitches.
Meeting Westerners, one of the things I noticed was how insecure and de-masculinized they seemed to me; compared to myself and the male-dominated, testosterone-driven culture of my land.
Using my own keen sense of observation, I have noticed just an eensy weensy bit of misogyny in his writings. You may notice it as well.
On the internet, most Americans seemed to act like little bitches, little girls brought up in a Feminist perversion of nature.
Well, I don’t know about that whole “perversion of nature” thing, but I have to say the first half of that sentence is pretty spot-on.
It was only after coming to the U.S. and studying here that all the pieces came together – a fascinating look at a dysfunctional man-hating civilization that is the polar opposite of my own culture, and will eventually lead to the collapse of Western civilization.
Uh oh.
Where I come from, men walk proud and rule the streets and testosterone runs in the air; and strong patriarchal foundations of family and the father as ruler of the household. Men harass and aggressively follow women – it is unapologetically a man’s world.
That’s what makes a civilization great: the harassment of women.
Just remember this, men, when you lean out of your car window to yell “Nice ass………WHORE!!!!!!!!!” at passing joggers of the female persuasion, you’re doing your bit to uphold our most noble traditions and help to fend off the forces of darkness.
In the U.S., Feminism has so corrupted the society to it’s core, damaged the very concept of family and the family unit and the father’s role, that society as a whole is like some bizarre alien planet – where men are bland, lack personality, are anti-social, gossipy, soul-less. Men are weak and insecure deep inside … women have all the power and American men seem clueless as to how bizarre the male-female dynamic has become.
In the workplace, Americans are Automatons, like soul-less hamsters on a wheel. Fake conversations, no intellectualism, no interest in other countries, peoples, or history.
Do soul-less hamsters act differently than soulful ones? How can you tell the difference? Do the ones without souls poop more?
Also, terrible social and people skills – at least in California. Most people communicate via twitter and Facebook, even though most of the people on their Facebook live in the same city and a phone call away.
Really? You’re complaining about Facebook? Sorry, that’s just lazy and trite. You’re like the Dane Cook of reactionary misogynist cultural critics.
People are vacuous, shallow, superficial, suggestible. Men raised here are fake, insecure, lack personality, they seem to have “issues.” Women are confused and messed up ..
Wait, what’s that? Is that the dreaded MRA two-period punctuation mark? NOT AGAIN!
Oops. He’s still talking:
You let your women take control, and your society will unravel- it will make your men weak, and destroy your society to it’s core. The patriarchy is a male conceived and enforced institution that was imposed on females, because men, and only men understand well the long-term impacts of civilization and harnessing male energies into productive family units and a stable society …. civilization itself is a result of patriarchy.
You know, if you’re really into harnessing your male energies, you can buy the necessary equipment right here!
To sum if up, it seems to be that the whole country is phitzoprhenic [sic], like a Jekyll and Hyde monstrosity. There is no community, no camaredie, no soul, men and women are willing servants to their corporate masters and slaves to materialism and superficiality; and incredibly conformist, reserved, and politically correct to the point of totalitinarism.
“Conformist?” So now he’s turned into a high school goth?
Come on, dude, if you want to be a social critic, you’re going to need to work a little harder than that. Take a tip or two from this, er, duck:
Johnny: Marry me?
“In the workplace, Americans are Automatons, like soul-less hamsters on a wheel. Fake conversations, no intellectualism, no interest in other countries, peoples, or history.”
Actually, this seems a very ’90s viewpoint. (Or very Fight Club-esque.) Nowadays I think a more likely scenario is either A.) everyone’s terrified at their workplace because they might lose their job, or B.) panicking because they’ve just lost their job.
I’d have to agree with this, though I’m not sure how much it has to do with feminism. I will say that having lived in both North America and all around Europe, I did notice that in certain parts of central/eastern Europe the men have a more macho, masculine attitude, a sort of “male pride”. They are more confident, more assertive and the friendships between them seem stronger, but unfortunately there are also higher levels of misogyny. Funnily enough though, the women also seem more confident and down-to-earth, less flaky and neurotic, and quite able to hold their own with the guys. On the other hand, in Western Europe and North America, I’ve seen large numbers of neurotic, effeminate, metrosexual men who just seem fake and weak, like there’s no masculinity to them, and yes, more women with “issues”. What causes this is debatable, but that’s been my personal experience anyway.
@ Ozy
Already married. However, I would be proud to number myself among your nerd harem.
“You’re all conformists! You should be conforming to my conformist culture instead!”
Ion wrote, “On the other hand, in Western Europe and North America, I’ve seen large numbers of neurotic, effeminate, metrosexual men who just seem fake and weak, like there’s no masculinity to them, and yes, more women with ‘issues’.”
How about we start with what makes a male, male? Are these men effeminate simply because they wear hipster t-shirts and eyeliner? Is it because you think none of them are able to defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat? Do they sit with their legs closer together? Because if all you’re basing this on is a certain style of clothing, a fratboy becomes female as soon as he puts on a dress for a Halloween party.
Also, are metrosexuals even a thing anymore? I thought all the hipsters killed them off.
@Holly: QFT. The irony is unbelievable.
And what’s wrong with being effeminate anyway? Does it make you disrespect other people’s boundaries? Does it make you stupid? Rude? Boring? Less likely to help people carrying heavy shit or let your friends cry on your shoulder? Less likely to volunteer or give to charity? In any way a less awesome person than a masculine person?
No?
Then why are you condemning it?
“They are more confident, more assertive and the friendships between them seem stronger…”
Here in America, we call that “slash fiction”.
How about we start with what makes a male, male? Are these men effeminate simply because they wear hipster t-shirts and eyeliner? Is it because you think none of them are able to defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat? Do they sit with their legs closer together? Because if all you’re basing this on is a certain style of clothing, a fratboy becomes female as soon as he puts on a dress for a Halloween party.
No, it’s definitely not just clothes, although they do play a part. It’s the whole attitude and way of speaking and behaving, which makes them appear weak, wishy-washy and sexually confused, and the feminists will hate me for this but they do adopt more of the stereotypically ‘female’ traits like gossiping, getting emotional etc. And before you accuse me of considering the Jersey Shore guys as paragons of masculinity, I don’t, I think it’s just a different kind of insecurity.
“And what’s wrong with being effeminate anyway? Does it make you disrespect other people’s boundaries? Does it make you stupid? Rude? Boring? Less likely to help people carrying heavy shit or let your friends cry on your shoulder? Less likely to volunteer or give to charity? In any way a less awesome person than a masculine person?”
Haven’t you heard, Ozy. To a REAL MAN consideration and decency aren’t even in one’s vernacular.
Which explains a lot about how they view rape, domestic violence etc..
What can I say, spoken like a true feminist who won’t rest until all humans are interchangeable, androgynous clones of each other. I happen to like men who are masculine and women who are feminine, and if that makes me a retrograde simpleton in a few extremists’ eyes, I can live with it.
Yeah.. what California needs is to become a lot more like the middle east. LOLWAT??
And these dudes reposted this shit like they actually agree with it?
We need to fund a MRA cruise ship that will dump all these bitter angry guys in Yemen. Visit the promised land of masculinity today!
So what’s your “ideal man”, Ion?
Ion wrote, “It’s the whole attitude and way of speaking and behaving, which makes them appear weak, wishy-washy and sexually confused, and the feminists will hate me for this but they do adopt more of the stereotypically ‘female’ traits like gossiping, getting emotional etc.”
This way of viewing modern masculinity still feels very dated to me. I’m totally willing to concede that men were confused about how to act when gender ideals were changing, but it’s also not the ’90s anymore.
Anyone else getting this feeling? What do you think the ideal man looks like now?
Haven’t you heard, Ozy. To a REAL MAN consideration and decency aren’t even in one’s vernacular.
Which explains a lot about how they view rape, domestic violence etc.
The snark is strong with this one. Where did I say “real men” lack consideration or decency? Where did I even imply it? Where did I talk about views on rape and domestic violence? It looks like you’re just projecting your own agenda onto my post and seeing what you want to see rather than what I actually said. For the record if it wasn’t clear enough, no, I do not support either rape or domestic violence, and don’t believe that “real men” must be emotionless, unempathetic brutes. Although considering the way you and your buddies viciously attack anyone who disagrees with you around here, you’re probably not the best person to talk about consideration and decency in any case.
What do you think the ideal man looks like now?
A basenji.
“What can I say, spoken like a true feminist who won’t rest until all humans are interchangeable, androgynous clones of each other. I happen to like men who are masculine and women who are feminine, and if that makes me a retrograde simpleton in a few extremists’ eyes, I can live with it.”
The issue is that you want that image at the expense of other people. If you like those images, fine, but to advocate for it in such a bitter roundabout way that basically erases people who DON’T want to participate in those things (never mind that, like Ozy said, people who don’t participate in what you view as aren’t hurting anybody in their quest for identity).
in what you view as right*
Damn typo.
Ion wrote, “I happen to like men who are masculine and women who are feminine, and if that makes me a retrograde simpleton in a few extremists’ eyes, I can live with it.”
Nah, it just makes you bisexual.
This way of viewing modern masculinity still feels very dated to me. I’m totally willing to concede that men were confused about how to act when gender ideals were changing, but it’s also not the ’90s anymore.
Anyone else getting this feeling? What do you think the ideal man looks like now?
That’s a good question. I don’t think either one is the ideal, the sensitive new-age guy or the macho fratboy. Probably something in-between, a man who’s strong, confident and unapologetic about his masculinity, yet at the same time treats others with kindness and respect? What’s your ideal man?
I happen to like men who are masculine and women who are masculine.
But I’m okay with it if other people also exist.
I think Ion would prefer the cool Californese term, “heteroflexible.”
The issue is that you want that image at the expense of other people. If you like those images, fine, but to advocate for it in such a bitter roundabout way that basically erases people who DON’T want to participate in those things (never mind that, like Ozy said, people who don’t participate in what you view as aren’t hurting anybody in their quest for identity).
It sounds like you’re personally invested in this. I’m not even sure what in my post constituted “a bitter roundabout way that erases people”, but my answer is that they can do whatever they want. But I’m not required to like it or approve of it. Freedom goes both ways.
What can I say, spoken like a true feminist who won’t rest until all humans are interchangeable, androgynous clones of each other.
What can I say, spoken like a true bigot who won’t rest until all men and all women are interchangeable clones of each other.
You’re thinking in terms of one model or two; I’m thinking in terms of BILLIONS. Feminine men and masculine women and androgynous people don’t subtract diversity from the world; they add to it. And nobody’s saying you can’t be a masculine man unless your definition of masculinity requires harming or controlling others.