A couple excellent pieces on Anders Breivik and misogyny.
First: The other day I posted a link to a piece by Michael Kimmel on Breivik and the sexual politics of far-right thought. It turned out that the article was a draft that got published prematurely.
Now the final version of the post is officially up at Sociological Images: A tale of two terrorists redux. Kimmel argues that what we know about Breivik thus far
indicate[s] that … it will be impossible to fully understand this horrific act without understanding how gender operates as a rhetorical and political device for domestic terrorists.
These members of the far right consider themselves Christian Crusaders for Aryan Manhood, vowing its rescue from a feminizing welfare state. Theirs is the militarized manhood of the heroic John Rambo – a manhood that celebrates their God-sanctioned right to band together in armed militias if anyone, or any governmental agency, tries to take it away from them. If the state and capital emasculate them, and if the masculinity of the “others” is problematic, then only “real” white men can rescue the American Eden or the bucolic Norwegian countryside from a feminized, multicultural, androgynous immigrant-inspired melting pot.
Meanwhile, Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon offers some thoughts on Misogyny and Terrorism:
[T]here’s definitely a strong link between misogyny and violence that can’t be denied. Misogynists are far likelier to be violent people than non-misogynists, which is why rape and wife-beating are such common crimes. (Domestic violence is the number one cause of injury for women 15-44.) All bigotry provokes violence at its ends, of course. This isn’t the Oppression Olympics. But misogyny and violence go hand in hand so often because misogynists really buy deeply into the idea that women are weak and men are “strong”, by which they mean aggressive. A steady drumbeat of misogynist thought couldn’t be better designed to reach the unhinged and cause them to lash out violently, all while imagining themselves to be big, tough men who claim they were forced—with “why did you make me do this?” being the battle cry of wife beaters—into violence.
Discuss.
I read Marc’s manifesto so y’all didn’t have to. Here’s the meat of the matter:
“Anti-Humanism is a belief system for those who think humans are not the entirety of what we should be considering. We want to live on as a species, and we realize that requires thinning the herd. Problem: conventional morality, aka humanism, is totally opposed to that. Answer: do away with the obsolete morality, and slaughter the 90% of our species who do nothing productive and never will. Breed better humans, and fewer of them, and then some humans live on instead of all of us facing certain death because of the stupidity of the humanists.”
Um, Ami? Can I have more than one hug? I might need it after reading that. XD
Yeah, that’s what I highlighted, Molly.
Disturbing stuff. Marc must’ve skipped History class in High School…or got his “philosophy” from a couple of bumper stickers.
@Toysoldier besides that ppl tend to respond to things when it comes up in the news, and no feminist you’ve pointed out has said the victims don’t matter, or matter less xD (I mean by that logic, I care more about comic books than trans ppl xD ) and everything else ppl have pointed out above (and that everything is an outlier)
but that’s irrelevant xD b/c…
That people have negative views does not prove an entire movement supports those views. You need to show how people in the movement respond to those views. The mistake you and other feminists made is that you did not say that only some of the extremists in the men’s movement agree with Breivik’s call to violence. You said “the men’s right movement” and “men’s rights activists”, implying most or all of them.
You said that.
It is akin to how feminists ignore the rape of boys that occurs in the Catholic Church in favor of complaining about how women cannot be priests or Popes.
You also said that xD It appears to be your mistake as well xD So you can amend your statement to mean “Shakesville does not blog about the victims as often as I believe they should” or…. we can start talking about proving how an ENTIRE MOVEMENT supports those views… and you need to “show how people in the movement respond to those views”. xD Since you have implied “most or all of them”. XD
(you might note my comments before btw that I’ve actually been against pinning Breivik’s motivations on the MRM and etc before any assumptions might be made about what I believe or that I think it applies to all MRAs xD)
*gives Molly many hugs* awww :
So 90% of humanity is useless? xD What makes a human useful? 😀
Oh!
http://blogs.canoe.ca/corenscomment/consider-this/trolls/
Apparently Coren (the professional NWO) and others is now saying that Breivik is an internet troll xD
What ISN’T Breivik? xD
http://awfullibrarybooks.net/?p=5086
OMFG me and Zhinxy and Trish NEED THIS BOOK xD
It’s like… self defense for women who live in the rape prevention tips verse xD
nebody who has it or finds it and can get us a copy gets… well a snark list dedicated to them xD
http://ami-rants.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-im-anti-vegetarian.html
Here’s my manifesto!
(also what I got called a cuntscab for XD I figure that’s a vagina that works while the other vaginas are striking xD )
(stupid automod xD )
WHAT STILL!? xD
xD stupid automod… okay lt’s try this again xD
http://ami-rants.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-im-anti-vegetarian.html
Here’s my manifesto!
(also what I got called a c*ntscab for XD I figure that’s a vagina that works while the other c*nts are striking xD )
YAY IT WORKED! 😀
(also stupid zombie rotten mcdonald >:| )
Yus I’m trying to make the side bar all about me xD (who else? :3 )
Stupid David for making it so long! >_<
“(also what I got called a c*ntscab for XD I figure that’s a vagina that works while the other c*nts are striking xD )”
Ok, that has to be the most baffling insult ever. I mean, just…what does that even mean?
Hrm.. *looks at Spear and Zombie* I guess that’ll have to do.
That’ll do, Ami. That’ll do.
xD
Dammit Redlocker spoiled everything! xD
Srsly tho.. yeah I never figured that thing out xD Also he threatened to boil me, and kill my parents and kill me and some other things xD
Then his SECOND threatening email accidentally left his real name, address and workplace xD
and then he apologized super profusely and asked me to take everything down xD
Yus I’m trying to make the side bar all about me xD
You’ve got my support, Ami!
. . . oops
Aaaaaaaaand I’ve killed the thread.
I am Johnny Pez, slayer of threads! Fear me!
“Aaaaaaaaand I’ve killed the thread.
I am Johnny Pez, slayer of threads! Fear me!”
Oh, thank god. This place could use a bit of distraction from the Marc craziness and the false equivalences from the other trolls.
Darn you Johnny Pez! that’s my job!
wow, angel amiwings has an impresive repertoire of emoticons. unfrtunately this does not compensate for rational debate lol
@chuckeedee:
You don’t know her very well… do you?
(Veiled Bugs Bunny reference)
Congratulations Chuckadee! You now have something in common with feminists! xDD (incl some radical feminists! 😀 )
Ami Angelwings (or Angel Amiwings, or Ami Angel the Wing of DOOOM! 😀 ) uniter of the world! xD I’m always the one thing everybody can agree on (and make quick judgments on) xD
Little do they know… the Rodeo Cat looms xD
Ami: I’m just waiting for the rational debate from chuckeedee. So far what I see is “women and men are different, and if we could make it impossible for them to survive without being dependent on a man life would be wonderful… why? Because I said so. John Stuart Mill, and observable history are wrong… because I said so.”
Amazing how, back in 1869, he touched upon all the arguments that are being put forth by MRAs today. And they think they are, what, progressive??