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Links: Michael Kimmel and Amanda Marcotte on masculinity, misogyny and Anders Breivik

The world doesn't need any more macho Nazis

A couple excellent pieces on Anders Breivik and misogyny.

First: The other day I posted a link to a piece by Michael Kimmel on Breivik and the sexual politics of far-right thought. It turned out that the article was a draft that got published prematurely.

Now the final version of the post is officially up at Sociological Images:  A tale of two terrorists redux. Kimmel argues that what we know about Breivik thus far

indicate[s] that … it will be impossible to fully understand this horrific act without understanding how gender operates as a rhetorical and political device for domestic terrorists.

These members of the far right consider themselves Christian Crusaders for Aryan Manhood, vowing its rescue from a feminizing welfare state. Theirs is the militarized manhood of the heroic John Rambo – a manhood that celebrates their God-sanctioned right to band together in armed militias if anyone, or any governmental agency, tries to take it away from them. If the state and capital emasculate them, and if the masculinity of the “others” is problematic, then only “real” white men can rescue the American Eden or the bucolic Norwegian countryside from a feminized, multicultural, androgynous immigrant-inspired melting pot.

Meanwhile, Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon offers some thoughts on Misogyny and Terrorism:

[T]here’s definitely a strong link between misogyny and violence that can’t be denied.  Misogynists are far likelier to be violent people than non-misogynists, which is why rape and wife-beating are such common crimes.  (Domestic violence is the number one cause of injury for women 15-44.)  All bigotry provokes violence at its ends, of course.  This isn’t the Oppression Olympics.  But misogyny and violence go hand in hand so often because misogynists really buy deeply into the idea that women are weak and men are “strong”, by which they mean aggressive.  A steady drumbeat of misogynist thought couldn’t be better designed to reach the unhinged and cause them to lash out violently, all while imagining themselves to be big, tough men who claim they were forced—with “why did you make me do this?” being the battle cry of wife beaters—into violence.

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redlocker
9 years ago

Still not sure if Marc is serious…

I mean, besides, has Marc done any actual activism on his anti-humanism? Has he participated in live debate? Talked to professors? Marched on the streets? Or is his stance just something one “adopts” in order to make their misanthropy seem reasonable?

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Imma switching my gender to “gender-confused” now.

Also, Marc, honey, sweetie, sweetheart, I think you were talking about the population explosion there? But the problem is that that is easily solved by making people wealthier, distributing birth control and most of all giving women rights. In fact, most developed countries are reproducing at well below replacement levels. No oppression required!

Molly Ren
9 years ago

I kinda want to think Marc *is* serious. Having all his weird trains of thought add up to a philosophy dedicated to killing off 90% of the human race is kinda poetic.

Also, it’s more fun to laugh at him.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

“In fact, most developed countries are reproducing at well below replacement levels. No oppression required!”

JOIN THE DARK SIDE, MARC! SAVE THE HUMAN RACE!

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

You don’t care what my nose looks like? What? Marc, are you sure you even know what eugenics means?

Sharculese
9 years ago

But the problem is that that is easily solved by making people wealthier, distributing birth control and most of all giving women rights. In fact, most developed countries are reproducing at well below replacement levels. No oppression required!

marc actually considers sustainable population management to be genocide.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

But the problem is that that is easily solved by making people wealthier, distributing birth control and most of all giving women rights. In fact, most developed countries are reproducing at well below replacement levels. No oppression required!

I know, but the problem is the dysgenic effect of this!

in order to make their misanthropy seem reasonable?

misanthropy = life experience

Sharculese
9 years ago

that’s not me distorting his position either. i can’t remember which thread it was but he was here last week arguing basically that.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

Not oppressing people and controlling the population will lead to them all having bad genes? You can’t link us to something that says it’d be better off if 90% of the population were killed off AND complain the gene pool will shrink at the same time!

Molly Ren
9 years ago

“misanthropy = life experience”

Well, you’ve had a shitty life, then. I’m sorry.

redlocker
9 years ago

“misanthropy = life experience”

Wait, what?

So, you think you’re justified in treating people like shit because you think that people are shitty? In what way?

Molly Ren
9 years ago

“So, you think you’re justified in treating people like shit because you think that people are shitty? In what way?”

We’ve POISONED THE EARTH and we’re all going to DIE IN OUR OWN FILTH AND STUPIDITY, that’s why!

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

I kinda want to think Marc *is* serious. Having all his weird trains of thought add up to a philosophy dedicated to killing off 90% of the human race is kinda poetic.

I’m attacked that I am not a real activist… well, are YOU all? The best thing may be that you run some blog… Take this molly creature, the only thing in her head is sex and she runs a blog about that while I am sitting here and, though I may not do that much, at least I am concerned about the important things and this is NOT sex!

I wrote letters to Pentti Linkola and he thought he found them interesting and inspiring. I’m still in contact with him, and he IS active, more active than you all!

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Marc: But it factually hasn’t caused a dysgenic effect. IQ has risen over the past hundred years as America shifted into a low-birth-rate low-death-rate demographic model. It’s called the Flynn effect.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

@Ozy: Really? *eyebrow raise*

@Marc: I have been waiting for a troll to insult me about my sex blog ever since I started posting here. Don’t you guys ever follow links?

redlocker
9 years ago

“I’m attacked that I am not a real activist… well, are YOU all? The best thing may be that you run some blog… Take this molly creature, the only thing in her head is sex and she runs a blog about that while I am sitting here and, though I may not do that much, at least I am concerned about the important things and this is NOT sex!”

The sex blogs also have activism mixed in, genius. Holly and Molly being a few of the prime examples.

Ah, Pentti Linkola…you mean this guy: http://www.penttilinkola.com/

That’s…interesting.

redlocker
9 years ago

Also, some more info on Pentti Linkola, from Wikipedia:

“Linkola believes that Finnish society should ideally be ruled by an environmentally-aware elite. This elite would ban almost all use of motorized vehicles, and transfer populations from bigger cities to the countryside to create an agrarian society. This would eliminate the need for parking lots and construction, and trees would be planted on major roads. Industrialists and technologists would be retrained as agricultural labourers. Procreation would be licensed, with an average of one child born to each woman. Local autarchy would reduce the need for travel, which would be done by foot, paddling, horse or bicycle, instead of by cars, aeroplanes or motorboats.”

Wow. Just…wow.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

“The sex blogs also have activism mixed in, genius. Holly and Molly being a few of the prime examples.”

Awww, I’m a “prime example”? :’) (And mentioned in the same breath as Holly, yay!)

*cough*

/narcissism

redlocker
9 years ago

Sorry for the multi-posting, but here’s more from the Linkola fansite:

“Impact

Linkola is one of the few voices who advocates:

1) No immigration
2) Downsize population
3) Kill defectives
4) Stop rampant technology

In the eyes of the most credible sources, planet Earth can sustain a half-billion humans without any sizable destruction of our habitat, or any loss in species or stability of our ecosystem. Any numbers higher than that, no matter how much they recycle, will cause environmental chaos. The modern leftist-tinged environmental movement is terrified of telling anyone that they cannot breed and keep buying whatever strikes their fancy, but someone must do this in the future. The sooner we do it, the fewer people in the future will be left without a means of sustenance and thus require termination.

As Linkola himself has said, “We still have a chance to be cruel. But if we are not cruel today, all is lost.”- Pentti Linkola, meditative ”

So, in other words…a “benevolent dictatorship” with an emphasis on enviromentalism?

darksidecat
9 years ago

“But eugenics is unnatural, nuclear power is natural but eugenics…”

The Appeal to Nature Fallacy is your default argument, not ours. But keep attacking that strawman while being completely oblivious to the fact that you are yourself engaging in said Appeal to Nature Fallacy yourself for your entire argument.

redlocker
9 years ago

@Molly: Hey, no problem. More exposure is cool, right? 😉 I forgot to mention Ozy, but really, who hasn’t heard of her around her at this point. 🙂

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

And back! xD

So Marc is basically internet Ra’s Al Ghul xD

Also Molly, you should be included w/ Holly, you’re both awesome! (and -ollys 😀 )

So… when do ppl make fun of my blog? xD

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

The sex blogs also have activism mixed in, genius. Holly and Molly being a few of the prime examples.

Molly’s blog… I only see a blog completely dedicated to some weird fetish. I’m normally a very open person and don’t care about what you do in your bedroom (aside from uncontrolled procreation), but the pictures I see here are just pure decadence!

“That there are billions of people over 60kg weight on this planet is recklessness.” — Pentti Linkola

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

And back! xD

But I will soon go, I am so disgusted by you all I can’t stand it any longer!

I just hope that this horrible Molly creature gets the calories for her fetish from high-efficiency C4 plants like corn and not from mixed food with vegetables or even meat!

And while Molly accelerates global warming with her fetish, the poor camels in Australia are shot. Horrible.

redlocker
9 years ago

@Marc: “Molly’s blog… I only see a blog completely dedicated to some weird fetish. I’m normally a very open person and don’t care about what you do in your bedroom (aside from uncontrolled procreation), but the pictures I see here are just pure decadence!”

I see you’re…struggling to be a person who is like, “EW, fatty fat fatties!” while trying to say, “Hey, whatever floats your boat.” My gosh, the level of flip flopping is unbelievable.

““That there are billions of people over 60kg weight on this planet is recklessness.” — Pentti Linkola”

Nice way of sneaking a fat joke in. If that’s how you view people like Molly…I gotta say, you’re missing out. A LOT.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

@ozymandias42:
Marc: But it factually hasn’t caused a dysgenic effect. IQ has risen over the past hundred years as America shifted into a low-birth-rate low-death-rate demographic model. It’s called the Flynn effect.

We have better education now, but genetically we are on the decline.

redlocker
9 years ago

@Ami: “So… when do ppl make fun of my blog?”

Yeah, Marc, I’m curious…what do you think of Ami. She’s bubbly and an activist. What do you think of her contributions since you commented on Molly’s?

redlocker
9 years ago

“But I will soon go, I am so disgusted by you all I can’t stand it any longer!

I just hope that this horrible Molly creature gets the calories for her fetish from high-efficiency C4 plants like corn and not from mixed food with vegetables or even meat!

And while Molly accelerates global warming with her fetish, the poor camels in Australia are shot. Horrible.”

Hope people are paying attention to this. I’m beginning to lose count of the hatred/fallacies used by Marc (and not just in this post).

Plus, I bet he posts again in a few days.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

Yeah, Marc, I’m curious…what do you think of Ami. She’s bubbly and an activist. What do you think of her contributions since you commented on Molly’s?

One word: “13-year-old”

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

Nice way of sneaking a fat joke in. If that’s how you view people like Molly…I gotta say, you’re missing out. A LOT.

How is that a fat joke? It’s a direct quote from Pentti Linkola one of the few people who have true understanding.

redlocker
9 years ago

@Marc: “One word: “13-year-old””

Huh. So…any examples from her blog to prove it. She does tackle heavy stuff (from transphobia to other forms of bigotry) admist all of the fun stuff (cats, movies, comics…you name it).

Also, I’m saying that sneaking a quote from Linkola as cover for an insult about fat people…classy, dude. Classy.

At least your craziness is confined to a small movement on the internet.

darksidecat
9 years ago

“We have better education now, but genetically we are on the decline.” Citation needed. Start with defining your terms. What exactly does “genetic decline” refer to? Is it related to fitness. Marc, humor me and provide us with the biological definition of “fitness” if you would please.

mythago
9 years ago

Industrialists and technologists would be retrained as agricultural labourers.

Huh. Where have we heard this one before. Is he calling it Year Zero or is he worried about copyright infringement?

Marc is an exemplar of the rule that any sufficiently foamy wingnut is indistinguishable from a troll, and vice versa. At some point, you have to be incredibly unbalanced to be able to try to fake being unbalanced. Maybe he and MRAlieutenant should correspond and they can try to vampire attention off one another.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

http://ami-rants.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-im-anti-vegetarian.html

13-year-old.

At least your craziness is confined to a small movement on the internet.

Jesus started his destructive “death disguised as life” religion with no more than his twelve disciples! This religion paved the way to what we see now, it paved the way for Christian culture and so, to humanism.
All this talk about discrimination and this shaming with privilege, this desire for equality is nothing more than “love your enemy”. If you discriminate you see somebody as not your neighbor but your enemy and treat him as such, if you try not to discriminate you try to love your enemy. Unhealthy slave-morality that brought us to this point. Funny enough outside of the human realm, the right of the stronger is in full effect: you kill defenseless animals as you like. Rather than that people like Molly make a diet, or you stop eating meat, you shoot defenseless camels.

Christianity was started by few and so it can also be be removed by few people.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I think Marc should insult me, because everyone has heard of me around here apparently (XD!).

Also: Marc, the Flynn effect has multiple theorized causes, one of which is “more education.” However, better nutrition, a more stimulating environment, decreased rate of infectious diseases and even more familiarity with standard tests are also theorized causes. A study in, iirc, Brazil showed that nutrition and stimulating environment were the most likely to increase IQ. Human neuroplasticity really should not be underestimated. Even if humans were starting to have less intelligence genetically (which you have not exactly proven), providing a more enriched environment for small children could easily counterbalance the trend. But, factually, human IQs are NOT decreasing, and it is up to you to prove that they “really” are.

Also, it is completely unscientific to refer to “better” or “worse” genes. Some genotypes are best suited to some environments; other genotypes are best suited to other environments.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

I can’t see why the gang is all up in arms about Marc, you both work towards the same ending. Feminism was always just a tool to bring about the goal of 500 million serfs for the gang at the top of the pyramid. Who do you think made abortion the cornerstone of feminism? Thats right children, you work for people like Pentti Linkola and bleet with joy when they told you the slaughter of the unborn was a right.

None of you have the intelligence to comprehend the fools you are as Ozzy prattles on about IQ increasing. How smug you feel patting yourselves on the back having memorized feminist ideology and gender construct theory. How simplistic it’s been to manipulate women; tell them their oppressed and they stampede to slave away for their masters. Tell them men are their enemies and they cackle with glee, mocking and ridiculing the ones who could save them.

Dontcha know kiddies? It’s written in stone, There will be only 500 million people left. Ya see the gang at the top only want so many serfs, that leaves more for them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Marc: Ami’s rant is what we smarty-pants no-fun feminists call a “satire.”

Also, slave-morality? Someone needs to have his Nietzsche confiscated until he understands it.

redlocker
9 years ago

@Ami: YAY, Marc is pissed about your vegetarian post! 😀 Confetti and chocolate cake for everybody, because it’s celebration time!!!

Ahem, anyway, back to seriousness.

“All this talk about discrimination and this shaming with privilege, this desire for equality is nothing more than “love your enemy”. If you discriminate you see somebody as not your neighbor but your enemy and treat him as such, if you try not to discriminate you try to love your enemy.”

So…everyone but yourself is automatically the enemy?

“Funny enough outside of the human realm, the right of the stronger is in full effect: you kill defenseless animals as you like. Rather than that people like Molly make a diet, or you stop eating meat, you shoot defenseless camels.”

Again with the strawman proping. Doesn’t lining up that many strawmen get tiring after a while? 😀

darksidecat
9 years ago

Biology 101, Marc, you are sorely in need of it.

redlocker
9 years ago

“Also, slave-morality? Someone needs to have his Nietzsche confiscated until he understands it.”

Seriously.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

I think I should make “Leading cause of global warming” my new blog tagline. 😀

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

We can further see how feminism, communism and the gang at the top of the pyramid work in concert. The destruction of Christianity. Isn’t that right? Keep up the fine work, they just love feminism as the top. Ya don’t think the US/UN Corporate complex funds it with trillions every year and exports it worldwide cause they love women do ya? Oh thats right, you do dontcha? It must be the Flynn effect. HAHAHA.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

NWO just hates me. XD Prattling!

redlocker
9 years ago

“I think I should make “Leading cause of global warming” my new blog tagline.”

Yes! YESSSSSSSS!

ozymandias42
9 years ago

No, David, don’t distract him! He has to criticize my blog!

Here’s the link, Marc! http://ozymandias3.blogspot.com/ I’d be happy to find out how I’m evil.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Awww! The troll left before he could say how I was terrible and contributing to the destruction of the Earth. 🙁

Molly Ren
9 years ago

“We will capture fat people right when they’re waiting for liposuction and force them to loose weight the natural way (Molly?).”

I am laughing so hard I am crying.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

So he’s like.. Ra’s Al Ghul + Captain Planet? xD

And now he’ll NEVER BE BACKKKKKKK XDDDD

Starting a new line… at 3 days until he’ll be back

who takes the under (less than 3 days) and who takes the over (more than 3 days)? :3

darksidecat
9 years ago

By “decent people” Marc of course means murderers, terrorists, and sociopaths. He must murder you in self defense against…having to see fat people, apparantly? Or is the Twitter which causes his burning need for mass murder?

(Seriously though, this guy needs to be reported to law enforcement, that last screed was way, way over the line)