A couple excellent pieces on Anders Breivik and misogyny.
First: The other day I posted a link to a piece by Michael Kimmel on Breivik and the sexual politics of far-right thought. It turned out that the article was a draft that got published prematurely.
Now the final version of the post is officially up at Sociological Images: A tale of two terrorists redux. Kimmel argues that what we know about Breivik thus far
indicate[s] that … it will be impossible to fully understand this horrific act without understanding how gender operates as a rhetorical and political device for domestic terrorists.
These members of the far right consider themselves Christian Crusaders for Aryan Manhood, vowing its rescue from a feminizing welfare state. Theirs is the militarized manhood of the heroic John Rambo – a manhood that celebrates their God-sanctioned right to band together in armed militias if anyone, or any governmental agency, tries to take it away from them. If the state and capital emasculate them, and if the masculinity of the “others” is problematic, then only “real” white men can rescue the American Eden or the bucolic Norwegian countryside from a feminized, multicultural, androgynous immigrant-inspired melting pot.
Meanwhile, Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon offers some thoughts on Misogyny and Terrorism:
[T]here’s definitely a strong link between misogyny and violence that can’t be denied. Misogynists are far likelier to be violent people than non-misogynists, which is why rape and wife-beating are such common crimes. (Domestic violence is the number one cause of injury for women 15-44.) All bigotry provokes violence at its ends, of course. This isn’t the Oppression Olympics. But misogyny and violence go hand in hand so often because misogynists really buy deeply into the idea that women are weak and men are “strong”, by which they mean aggressive. A steady drumbeat of misogynist thought couldn’t be better designed to reach the unhinged and cause them to lash out violently, all while imagining themselves to be big, tough men who claim they were forced—with “why did you make me do this?” being the battle cry of wife beaters—into violence.
Discuss.
LOL!! Because that worked out soooooo well the last time you made that offer, huh?
Dude, your examples are amazingly stupid, the French revolution and the Russian revolution were both led by men, for men and neither granted many rights to women in practice. Also your hormones seem more out of wack, since you are the one praising the asshole who killed people who had done him no harm.
no… factfinder… i got exactly what youre saying. youre not particularly subtle or discreet. its just that your argument was dumb. sorry.
LOL!! Because that worked out soooooo well the last time you made that offer, huh?
What are you going on about now? I’m not making any offer. I am just giving Bostonian permission to discuss the issue on my blog for a brief amount of time. I really don’t give a shit either way.
I know you are baiting me, by the way. This is what a feminist looks like, a miserable harpy who resorts to childish games and shit tests in lieu of personality, and then labels the fallout of those actions as “oppression.”
factfinder: So you think the French Revolution was all good? You don’t think it lead to one of the bloodiest conflicts of the 19th century?
So you really think the royalist powers declared war on the Republic because of feminism?
And that Napoleon took over,and waged his wars to spread femnism?
Dude, your grasp of history is only rivaled by your grasp of rhetoric.
Also your hormones seem more out of wack, since you are the one praising the asshole who killed people who had done him no harm.
That is a lie, but it is not surprising. Is there anything about feminism which does not rely on snark or deception?
its just that your argument was dumb. sorry.
Okay, thanks for sharing. I can’t help but notice you have nothing but praise for anything feminist and nothing but snark for anything not, but I’ll note that my example was “dumb.” Thank you for that constructive criticism, and if you might want to try using the shift key every now and again. It’s not hard, and it makes you seem like less of a moody teenage girl.
It’s funny how feminists get hung up on the slightest thing you do not explicitly spell out and frequently run off on little tangents of their own. I guess being a snarky bitch does that to you – if feminism makes people angry and bitter, why not irrational? When a feminist has no faith in society or objective judgement, she has no morality and hence humans become pawns in the series of power struggles which define her life.
Hey, Bostonian, do you have the balls to tell me where I praised a murderer? I’m all ears, man. Go for it.
factfinder you get hung up on the smallest thing.
you are the dumbest hypocrite.
the absolute dumbest.
Sharculese, give an example. Is claiming I “praised a murderer” a small thing? It might be if you’re a calloused liar and you’re just getting what you dish out, but put yourself in my position. I’m used to hearing and doing my best to tell the truth. If someone lies about something with no real motivation, or worse yet to further a belief based on lies, I get a little angry. So no, lying is not a small thing. People are dying overseas because of lies. People took jets and rammed them into buildings into lies. People are getting thrown into glorified livestock pens where they suffer a real, not a theoretical, rape culture. Lies are pretty fucking serious.
*because of lies, rather “into lies”. Don’t get hung up on that typo.
“People are getting thrown into glorified livestock pens where they suffer a real, not a theoretical, rape culture.”
Both male prisoner rape and the rape of women are real things, FactFinder.
lol. cry babby cry.
I like how fact-finder says he’s interested in rational debate and complains of our hormones then shrilly and hysterically calls us bitches. I mean, the cognitive dissonance is almost impressive in scope.
Also, Factfinder, you come across as very ANGRY. Which means we’re getting under your skin. You shouldn’t let us have so much power of you. Calm yourself, dude.
“If someone lies about something with no real motivation, or worse yet to further a belief based on lies, I get a little angry. So no, lying is not a small thing. People are dying overseas because of lies. People took jets and rammed them into buildings into lies. People are getting thrown into glorified livestock pens where they suffer a real, not a theoretical, rape culture. Lies are pretty fucking serious.”
Actually, you sound a little, um… *emotional* here, FactFinder.
It’s okay, you can be mad and still be a dude. Pull down those gender stereotypes!
Also, what do you have against people from Boston? You’re pulling it out like it’s an insult, but it’s not like it’s Jersey. 😉
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New card! 😀 Inspired by our new troll :3 (bonus points to who gets the reference xD )
@NWO so you believe that Ozy had a good laugh before making her post? :3 How do you know this? o_O What do you think *I* was thinking when I saw that (and before making MY post? :3 ) How do you know the ppl who celebrated it were feminists? o: Is every woman a feminist? o: Is it possible to celebrate it and NOT be a feminist, or does celebrating it define you as a feminist? 😀
What do you see in front of your fist? 😀
Who are you? What do you want? O:
The owls are not what they seem! xD
factfinder is such a whinefactory i’m shocked he doesnt blusterly accuse himself of having ovaries or some related thing
“The owls are not what they seem! xD”
That gum you like is coming back in style. 😉
“factfinder is such a whinefactory i’m shocked he doesnt blusterly accuse himself of having ovaries or some related thing”
I know!
So FactFinder, on your own blog, from your sig posted as a quote from you, but published here as elish,
“People have killed for every cause under the sun. A belief is not about who preaches lip service to it but whether it aligns with reality and will better the world. I do not think blaming all of the world’s problems on masculinity will result in any good, but that’s just me.
Put a human being in a cage, you will see survival behaviour. Survival behaviour is ugly”
Does not sound like blame, exactly. Sounds more like praise.
“factfinder is such a whinefactory i’m shocked he doesnt blusterly accuse himself of having ovaries or some related thing”
Yeah, I was wondering if it were that time of the month for him. But I have a feeling every day is that time for him. Oh, to be so impotently angry all the time!
*facepalm* This is what happens when you try to chime in after reading only half a page of thread… you miss that “Bostonian” is the actual sn of a *commentator*. XD
“Does not sound like blame, exactly. Sounds more like praise.”
It also sounds like a threat. Moat people don’t respond well to threats. At least I certainly dont.
Molly Ren, I don’t comment very much, the mistake is very understandable.
“Baiting” you, My God, get over yourself already! I just didn’t want to see anyone waste their time in a “rational debate” that will culminate in you throwing a hissy fit, then subsequently deleting your blog entry and its attendant comments. On the other hand, watching you self-destruct is far more amusing than your slinging of stale, impotent insults.