MRA Peter Nolan on Anders Breivik: “In different times … he would be called a hero.”

If Breivik really cared so much about the Norwegian birth rate falling, then why did he kill Norwegian children? Seems rather counter-productive to me.

oh cool, i was about to go back and address what marc’s distortions of lenin but i hit refresh in time to see that someone who knows the history better than i do already took care of it. and i learned something. thanks, darksidecat.

question: so i read it as basically saying that nationalism makes no sense in a capitalist system because it basically means cheering on the interests of the ruling class, but that a non-hegemonic popular nationalism is a good thing. is that a fair reading?

@Marc, love him or hate him, Leninism is a pretty developed theory and you are totally missing the point of that speech and that quote

I am actually REALLY UPSET that no one responded to my Lenin/Lennon joke upthread.

Sulky zombie.

And this is the thanks I get for letting you stay in my head?

AHEM, Sharcules.

oh. fucking duh. sorry.

If useful and necessary change doesn’t come peacefully, through due process and thoughtful reflection, violent and destructive change becomes inevitable. This observation is certainly apposite to the tragedy of Norway, and perhaps indispensible in explaining–NOT EXCUSING–Anders Brevik’s ghastly and unspeakable actions.

Not only in Norway, but in countries thoughout Europe, runaway immigration of violence-prone, dysfunctional, and largely unemployable (Moslem) populations has been a fact of life. Countless Europeans have tried to have the issue addressed, through their governments parliaments, through the Press and the Churches, through the internet, etc. They have done everything possible to resolve the issues humanely and lawfully, and have for their pains, been marginalized as “racists”, as “far-right extremists”, as so-called “xenophobes”, and other terms of endearment by governments, corporations, and media who obviously favor the foreigners over home-grown taxpayers and citizens. It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that many White Christian predecessors of Mr. Brevik attempted every peaceable, responsible nonviolent means to get their point across–We live here too!!–within the law possible before a European patriot finally snapped, gave vent to the worst impulses within himself, and inflicted appalling tragedy on a country whose government in these matters, could be called irresponsible at best, and, given their attitudes toward traditonal European and Christian values, a co-conspirator in Brevik’s atrocities at worst!!

Runaway Islamic immigration into Europe must be STOPPED NOW! Firmly thought out, well considered and firmly executed policies must be put in place to rid not only Norway, but other European lands of people who are implacably hostile, who are largely unassimilable, largely ineducable–in European school systems–and contribute grossly disproportionately to the already out-of-control dysfunctionality of too much of Norwegian–and European society! If the corrupt and irresponsible zoo of Tories and Laborites, Social Democrats and Christian Democrats, greens and reds can’t do it, then let REAL paleoconservatives, Nationalists or even libertarians (if they have the will and sense of direction) have a go at it! Same thing for the USSA (or what is left of us)! Let the deaths and maimings caused by this deeply flawed individual NOT be in vain! Deal with the growing problems of importing third-world people here by the millions intelligently and rigorously,even sternly where necessary, or else murderers like Brevik will do it for us tomorrow!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

Shorter David K.: I’m a racist.

David, you promise neither peace nor freedom but oceans of blood. Your attempts to paint entire ethnic populations as inherently “violence-prone, dysfunctional, and largely unemployable” are nothing more than white supremacist rhetoric dressed up in seemingly-rational language. This “deeply-flawed individual” as you put it is the unavoidable and likely intentional product of of this rhetoric. We realize that you’re counting on inciting more people like Breivik who aren’t wrapped too tight, you don’t regret what he did or why he did it, all this is just an attempt to create plausible deniability. Your problem is that no matter what pretty words you couch this stuff in, your sympathy for his motives and his actions keeps bleeding through.

They’re not going because they think we are the ones who should be gone or at the very least, silent and not troubling them anymore.

Besides, where would they go? How would they survive in a place that was all ready matching their desires? They would be outsiders, foreigners, and quickly find themselves at the mercy of exactly the kind of State they claim they desire.

“If useful and necessary change doesn’t come peacefully, through due process and thoughtful reflection, violent and destructive change becomes inevitable. This observation is certainly apposite to the tragedy of Norway, and perhaps indispensible in explaining–NOT EXCUSING–Anders Brevik’s ghastly and unspeakable actions.”

Once again, “nice country you got there…”

Also, I love how these people all, consistently, over and over again, miss the fact that immigration has been happening for millenia. How many immigration waves has the US had? Italians, Russians, Irish, German, at least. And every single goddamn time there are people shouting about how this new, alien culture will ruin us all.

@bhacssylan:

“Once again, “nice country you got there…””

That’s the undercurrent of threat that runs through all of the responses from the right: “Either you stop what’s going on and what you’re doing that we don’t like or we’re going to make sure bad things happen. It could be you or someone you care about. So get with the program or else.”