Some in the manosphere have been quick to label mass murderer Anders Breivik a “madman,” trying their best to pretend that his noxious misogynist ideology bears no resemblance to their own. Others, while endorsing at least some of his ideas, have distanced themselves from his actions.
As for MRA loose cannon Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c), well, I’ll just let him explain himself. In a comment on The Spearhead, which naturally earned him multiple upvotes from the assembled mob, the man with the strangely punctuated name offered this take [LINK FIXED] on the killer:
Anders Breivik sees himself as a soldier who is fighting for a worthy cause. That cause being his country. Women and leftists then make him out to be “insane” and are looking for “who is to blame”. Well they might start looking in the mirror. The most pervasive element of western civilization today is its hatred of men and all things male. There is a particularly strong hatred of fathers and husbands. I know. I used to be a father and a husband. I have never experienced hatred in my life as vehement as by women in divorce.
And then the justifications began:
It is only natural and normal that some men decide to take matters into their own hands at all the hatred spewed at them and their marginalization. Men often see that some things are worth fighting for. Men often then take action to fight for what they believe in.
Anders Breivik is not crazy. He’s as rational as the next man. He sees that his country is being destroyed. He sees that the people responsible for that destruction are the left of politics. And he would be correct. He took action to stop what he believes is the destruction of his country.
Followed by a smug told-you-so:
I have been telling women for three years now that hatred of men in general and fathers in particular is going to see men killing a lot of women and children. Well? We just saw 76.
Of course, when Nolan refers to “telling women” that angry men will erupt in violence, what he means is “offering guys on The Spearhead specific tips on how exactly to kill innocent people.”
I’m not going to repost the vile suggestions he set forth in a now notorious Spearhead comment some months back, but I will note that they included handy tips on how to efficiently kill police officers, as well as specific advice on the best ways to take out large numbers of people in “malls … girls schools, police stations, guvment buildings. Full of women and manginas.” He ended the comment with a not-terribly-convincing attempt at plausible deniability:
Do any of you here realise just how easy it is to ANY of these things? I am not recommending them or even condining them. But if a man got into the frame of mind of Sodini and was actually SMART about it. There are PLENTY of ways he could attack women and manginas and their cop protectors with NO CHANCE AT ALL OF BEING CAUGHT as long as he kept his mouth shut.
Naturally, this comment got dozens of upvotes from the Spearhead regulars.
In a followup comment on The Spearhead last night, Nolan mocked another commenter for offering words of sympathy to the “innocent victims.” That last phrase seemed to send him into a fury:
Those who were killed were not “innocent victims” in the main. Anders Breivik is as sane as the next man. …
This was an act of war and he considers himself a soldier. In different times, as in WW II, he would be called a hero.
The people he killed were the children of those who had betrayed him and his fellow norwegians. I would put forward the opinion that the political leaders are responsible for the war on men and the destruction of the families of men. What could be more “an eye for an eye” than to kill the children of those who were so willing to destroy mens families and destroy the homeland of men?
In killing children of those who are betraying men? He is sending a very clear message.
“You may think you are protected by your police and your security…..but we can find your children…and you can not protect them except by locking them into a secure area.”
He then went on to make what I think can only be called a veiled threat towards Predident Obama’s daughters; I won’t repeat it here.
Then back to the “innocent children” remark:
These “innocent victims” of whom you speak are the children of those who are criminals. And since Anders Breivik could not get to the REAL criminals he went after the children. Is that such a bad idea? Are they not legitimate targets if the primary targets can not be reached?
This also received multiple upvotes from The Spearhead crowd, and a much smaller number of downvotes. [UPDATE: The post has now started attracting downvotes, but the upvotes still outnumber them considerably.]
Yes, it is truly strange that anyone could possibly associate the MRM with violence in any way.
Okay, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised a dude like that turns out to be a sovereign citizen. lol.
Thanks.
@Holly- Judging from the fact that he doesn’t seem to connect the intense anger his wife felt towards him during the divorce with anything he did, I’m gonna bet there was some massive dysfunction within the relationship.
You don’t have to pay taxes? I want to be a sovereign citizen too! From now on I expect everyone to refer to me as Sn-ow: y(c). Thank you.
Can we move on from the Sharon Osborne comments? Ha! Never, they’re still using “Valorie Solanas was representative of all feminists.”
“Admittedly their case might have been unusually drama-free, but it’s really not normal (and not totally unsuspicious) for a father to be denied all contact for no reason.”
True dat. Adecdata only, but I’ve known guy who’ve abused their former spouses, are drug addicts, never paid child support, routinely canceled their visitation dates after making the mother drive to a different state to drop the kid off, dragged their feet and lied to the court in order to delay the divorce as long as they could, SAID they didn’t care if they saw the kid again, and more — and in none of those cases did it result in a family court judge or the mother herself restricting or prohibiting access to the child.
I’m still willing, actually, to listen to fathers’ rights advocates talk about how the laws could be changed to help fathers access to their children and help children get the best outcome possible in a divorce, but withholding children from their fathers is definitely not normal.
Sn-ow: y (c)–Yes, your majesty, or do you prefer your highness? If I add even more punctuation to my name, do I become the empress of the universe? I am not satisfied with being an ordinary sovereign. I dub myself Ke$n#d+r=a (c) (R).
Can we move on from the Sharon Osborne comments?
considering her husband tried to kill her once, and bites the heads off small animals, why is it surprising she might make a bad joke about someone cutting a dick off?
Wasn’t a good joke, or tasteful, or even funny. But not particularly surprising.
Oh dearie me, this is fuckin’ hilarious:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51542006/Peter-Andrew-Nolan-A-Lawful-Notice-To-The-Police-Be-They-Peace-Officers-or-Policy-Enforcers-24th-March-2011
It’s his thirteen-page “legal” document basically ordering the police not to arrest him for anything. Because yeah, you can do that.
Coupla highlights:
A Policy Enforcement Officer who attempts to detain any man who has made it clear that he isnot subject to the legislation of THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA is committing the crime of kidnapping and if wearing a weapon aggravated kidnapping.
This is the “the floor is lava!” of legal evasion–an attempt to violate reality by, you know, saying so and expecting everyone to play along.
Also, if he’s not a citizen doesn’t he need a visa? Seems like if nothing else he ought to be eligible for deportation to… I don’t know, international waters or something.
All arrests of men under “Domestic Violence” accusations are UNLAWFUL without a supporting Affidavit signed under penalty of perjury and full commercial liability. It is the crime of kidnapping and false imprisonment. ALL PEACE OFFICERS will be held accountable for committing any such crime from the date of APRIL 1 2011.
Okay, yeah, he put someone in the hospital.
All women who are over the age of 18 and who are mentally competent and who do not have a Bonded Affidavit of being Chattel Property to a man signed and duly notarized are to be treated as equal before the law.
Oh dear God. P-A:N(c)Land has slavery. Slavery of women. Because he is so pro-freedom.
I claim my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgressions by Peace Officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is ONE TROY OUNCE of 99.99%PURE GOLD PER HOUR or portion thereof if being questioned, interrogated or in anyway detained, harassed or otherwise regulated and FIVE HUNDRED TROY OUNCES of 99.99% PURE GOLD PER HOUR or portion thereof if I am handcuffed, transported,incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and Notarised consent.
Yeah, well, I claim a fee of… ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS… if you step on the floor, because the floor is lava!
You know, I really hope NWO doesn’t find out about this Sovereign Citizen movement… It seems like it would be right up his ally.
My parents are divorced. My father is an abusive alcholic crackhead. If anything, we would have been far better off seeing him less. However, my mother did not bar him from seeing us, despite the fact that he did not pay support regularly (he worked under the table and one time bought a new truck the same month my mother called her parents and begged for money to pay the light bill). The only restriction she placed was that my little sister (who is seven years younger than me, so she was about three-ish when they seperated) had to have either me or my older sister to look after her. Granted, this rule was also imposed before they seperated, because my father should not be trusted to be left alone with a hamster, let alone a small child. He still got my brother drunk at 13, convinced my older sister to drop out of high school (she was on the honor roll), and took my little sister without permission, got high, and she walked to a strangers house to get a ride home (this was recent, she was fourteen, and some strange man drove her home), and he steals from my older sister and verbally abuses my younger siblings. Every time he goes to jail, I am glad that he is being kept away from them, and away from his girlfriend (he beat this one too, but not as bad as the last one who ended up with several missing teeth and broken ribs before a neighbor rescued her). Some people shouldn’t be near children, and sometimes it is in the best interest of the children to not see them. If I ever have kids, you can be damned certain that I will not let that man near them. I certainly understand why parents fight to keep their children from abusive parents and relatives (this applies to parents of all genders, I have also seen men fight to protect their kids from abusive mothers).
A man who shoots 70 kids should never, ever have been allowed custody or supervision of a child. That should go without saying. If one is arguing for rights of fathers, the argument should be about men who are not violent abusers, rather than people who are a danger to society. Though, to be honest, the only two men I have personally seen denied visitation by a court were a convicted child molestor and a young man with schizophrenia who was discriminated against based on his mental illness and won full custody on appeal (the latter is really an excellent father and he put a lot of time into parenting classes to be the best parent possible to his son, his ex-girlfriend was abusive to both him and the kid, and would have never won initially if not for the judge seeing “schizophrenia” and ignoring the very real and very heavy evidence in the case against her, child services even testified on his behalf against her, that should have been an open-shut case if not for the ablism).
I don’t know what shocks me more, how awful his posts are or the fact that none of the other Spearhead guys called him out on them. I realize the Spearhead commenters are zealous, but don’t even they have a point when they decide one of their fellow MRA’s is getting too extreme? Is it possible for Nolan to offend them?
These guys are fascinated by guns and hang out with right-wing militia groups (like Tim McVeigh did), so the death of all these children will not shock them. Furthermore they act like a cult and they don’t disagree with each others.
That “sovereign citizen” document ends with a demand that everyone involved in his divorce and his prosecution for domestic violence be tried in “The People’s Court of Australia,” which is an institution he just made up and which consists entirely of himself.
He’d be adorable if he were, you know, ten years old.
Wait, his entire argument is that Australia isn’t a real country because it registers bonds with the SEC? So basically any country that issues debt can’t be a country?
When I was twelve, my friends and I made a country like Nolan’s in my basement. We partitioned off the different areas with duct tape. We didn’t have slavery, though. Suffrage is universal in Shaenonland.
To be honest, though, at twelve we were a little old to be doing that. We were slacking off on our Odyssey of the Mind project.
Wikipedia. The free legal system anyone (except women and liberals) can edit.
There was a guy in the last county I lived in who filed a bunch of Sovereign Citizen docs with the recorder’s office. I lost several hours on that job each time a search brought up one of his documents. It was like a tiny peek into a different universe.
By outlaw it is meant that they are not protected by any system of law and therefore mustprotect themselves.
did he just say that anybody that doesn’t subscribe to his backyard Legal System had better put up their dukes?
Also, it claims to invalidate all other systems of law. Well, THAT’S convenient.
according to the marked up transcript of his divorce proceedings that he links to, he’s also an admiralty court theorist.
Sounds like he needs to put in an offer for Sealand.
“The entity known as THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA is a registered entity on the US Securities and Exchange Commission. It is a foreign corporation.”
So… Being considered a corporation for the sake of treatment under the SEC means that it actually is a corporation, not a country?
Just wait til Nolan finds out that, for all intents and purposes, corporations are considered people under the law. He’ll be looking all over for “the person known as Australia” so he can try hir for whatever he wants.
He better not read this comic.
I don’t know what shocks me more, how awful his posts are or the fact that none of the other Spearhead guys called him out on them. I realize the Spearhead commenters are zealous, but don’t even they have a point when they decide one of their fellow MRA’s is getting too extreme? Is it possible for Nolan to offend them?
I remember that he was banned from the Spearhead for a while, and the last time I visited there was at least one thread complaining about him and unmasking him as a serial liar. So he’s managed to make himself unpopular everywhere he goes.
I’m not sure what the stats are in Australia, but in the U.S., according to the Census Bureau, 81.7% of non-custodial parents who are paying support have some kind of joint custody or visitation schedule worked out with the courts. 65.4% of non-custodial parents who do not pay have visitation.
I told you again and again to stop these dangerous Lenin-like “my opponents are deluded and evil but still so ridiculous we just can make fun of them” rhetorics.
Why can’t you just say “These people are wrong and evil because reason 1, reason 2 and reason 3.” like a normal honest person?
I warned you!
Somehow (to hide you own insecurities) you feel the strong need to paint your opponents even more worse than wrong and evil: they are also ridiculous, always, withouth the “ridiculous” you can’t do.
You are afraid to acknowledge them as worthy enemies.
David once wrote that MRAs aren’t activists at all because they don’t do anything outside the Internet. Another poster here compared MRAs to a silly single angry little clansman, evil but ridiculous.
Now you have mocked enough, Anders Breivik, like Wayland the Smith, said to himself “I won’t be mocked again, revenge is mine!” and did his terrible deeds. This is the end result of all this cowardice and of going the easy way to just ban uncomfortable opinions from normal discourse and to surrender them to the extremists, to the Internet you can’t control. As always the cost for this have to pay innocent people.
Um, wow. He’s still going… http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/07/27/orthodox-heterodoxy-and-the-tragedy-in-norway/#comment-102527
“In the face of criminals committing crimes and there being no course to justice? It is not a “monster” who takes the law into his own hands and dispenses summary justice.
That is what a patriot does.
Some will call Anders Breivik a monster.
Some will call him a patriot.”
Also, i made the mistake of reading further in the comments. I think I need a shower, now…