Some in the manosphere have been quick to label mass murderer Anders Breivik a “madman,” trying their best to pretend that his noxious misogynist ideology bears no resemblance to their own. Others, while endorsing at least some of his ideas, have distanced themselves from his actions.
As for MRA loose cannon Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c), well, I’ll just let him explain himself. In a comment on The Spearhead, which naturally earned him multiple upvotes from the assembled mob, the man with the strangely punctuated name offered this take [LINK FIXED] on the killer:
Anders Breivik sees himself as a soldier who is fighting for a worthy cause. That cause being his country. Women and leftists then make him out to be “insane” and are looking for “who is to blame”. Well they might start looking in the mirror. The most pervasive element of western civilization today is its hatred of men and all things male. There is a particularly strong hatred of fathers and husbands. I know. I used to be a father and a husband. I have never experienced hatred in my life as vehement as by women in divorce.
And then the justifications began:
It is only natural and normal that some men decide to take matters into their own hands at all the hatred spewed at them and their marginalization. Men often see that some things are worth fighting for. Men often then take action to fight for what they believe in.
Anders Breivik is not crazy. He’s as rational as the next man. He sees that his country is being destroyed. He sees that the people responsible for that destruction are the left of politics. And he would be correct. He took action to stop what he believes is the destruction of his country.
Followed by a smug told-you-so:
I have been telling women for three years now that hatred of men in general and fathers in particular is going to see men killing a lot of women and children. Well? We just saw 76.
Of course, when Nolan refers to “telling women” that angry men will erupt in violence, what he means is “offering guys on The Spearhead specific tips on how exactly to kill innocent people.”
I’m not going to repost the vile suggestions he set forth in a now notorious Spearhead comment some months back, but I will note that they included handy tips on how to efficiently kill police officers, as well as specific advice on the best ways to take out large numbers of people in “malls … girls schools, police stations, guvment buildings. Full of women and manginas.” He ended the comment with a not-terribly-convincing attempt at plausible deniability:
Do any of you here realise just how easy it is to ANY of these things? I am not recommending them or even condining them. But if a man got into the frame of mind of Sodini and was actually SMART about it. There are PLENTY of ways he could attack women and manginas and their cop protectors with NO CHANCE AT ALL OF BEING CAUGHT as long as he kept his mouth shut.
Naturally, this comment got dozens of upvotes from the Spearhead regulars.
In a followup comment on The Spearhead last night, Nolan mocked another commenter for offering words of sympathy to the “innocent victims.” That last phrase seemed to send him into a fury:
Those who were killed were not “innocent victims” in the main. Anders Breivik is as sane as the next man. …
This was an act of war and he considers himself a soldier. In different times, as in WW II, he would be called a hero.
The people he killed were the children of those who had betrayed him and his fellow norwegians. I would put forward the opinion that the political leaders are responsible for the war on men and the destruction of the families of men. What could be more “an eye for an eye” than to kill the children of those who were so willing to destroy mens families and destroy the homeland of men?
In killing children of those who are betraying men? He is sending a very clear message.
“You may think you are protected by your police and your security…..but we can find your children…and you can not protect them except by locking them into a secure area.”
He then went on to make what I think can only be called a veiled threat towards Predident Obama’s daughters; I won’t repeat it here.
Then back to the “innocent children” remark:
These “innocent victims” of whom you speak are the children of those who are criminals. And since Anders Breivik could not get to the REAL criminals he went after the children. Is that such a bad idea? Are they not legitimate targets if the primary targets can not be reached?
This also received multiple upvotes from The Spearhead crowd, and a much smaller number of downvotes. [UPDATE: The post has now started attracting downvotes, but the upvotes still outnumber them considerably.]
Yes, it is truly strange that anyone could possibly associate the MRM with violence in any way.
“Is anyone else just tickled by all this froth-mongering? Like, DKM can’t do anything to us, he’s over there on the Internet and I’m over here, also on the internet, but he’s just…so…STEAMED. It’s like I’m picking up a fuzzy little kitten who won’t stop hissing at me, even though her claws are like tiny fish bones. ZOMG ADORBS! Also, the kitten is racist. ”
Wait, so DKM is our pet? I’m not sure if that’s adorable or hideous.
Also, DKM, i think you came to the wrong place if you think that we don’t like the trade insults here, your racist piece of shit that would give Azathoth a run for his money on incoherent madness.
Woo, that felt good.
Also this does not make sense:
I notice that all of this childish name calling and smearing on your part doesn’t help one Moslem get out of Europe–where he doesn’t belong–or enable one Norwegian (or other European man) to keep his home, his family and his business, where he does!…PS- I stand by my remarks that it is so-called “progressive” and communist people like you, who have obsructed every effort to deal with runaway invasion–”immigration”–of unassimilables who made this tragedy in Norway inevitable, and makes for far worse to come! DKM
You know why? Because saying someone does not belong is excluding the person and making it impossible for them to assimilate. It is not even giving them a chance-you are making an assumption that they cannot merge with your society based on nothing at all. And in the case of the way that immigrants are treated it is like saying “white guys cannot jump” breaking the white guy’s legs then saying “see, I told you white guys cannot jump.”
As far as trading insults go, I suspect I get far more amusement out of calling Meller a “chicken Speckled jizzmonster” than he does calling anyone here a “communist”.
As I said on a prior thread, I suspect the biggest problem guys like DKM have is that as various ethnic groups move around, mix into the dominant group, there’s all kinds of cross-race-banging going on, diluting the purity of the Supreme Race…
Meanwhile, the normal people go one, integrating, increasing tolerance and struggling toward more egalitarian societies, imperfect as they may be. Leaving sad old bitter clingers like DKM to write long, incoherent, repulsive manifestos….
@pfkElizabeth- there’s an explanation for that: dkm is a racist. he doesn’t think brown people belong in europe because he is a huge fucking racist.
Also amusing, and timely:
Sadly, No takes wet noodles to another poor aggrieved white guy:
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/35374.html
@zombie rotten mcdonald
White Norwegians are not even in the remotest danger of being eradicate, and so what if they were?
They will become extinct if the birth rate doesn’t go up, that’s how I put it.
Humans are a single species. different strains of those species may change over time, mixing the colors (to steal a song title from Iggy) ad it is still the same species. PJ O’Rourke said something along the lines of “there is less genetic difference between the riches WASP on wall Street and a tribesman in Uganda than there is between a collie and a shepherd.
First of all, there is a difference in how they look, this is, though it’s superficial, important to some people. There are noticeable differences even between European peoples, though more just in the face and the complexion.
Then there are even clear differences in the body if you look at ethnic groups that geographically separated for a long time. For example the human skeleton is enough for forensic doctors to see if the skeleton belonged to a White, Black or Asian person.
The hot topic are of course mental differences.
There’s already overwhelming evidence that many mental illnesses have an genetic component. Schizophrenic people mostly are not able to make a good career, yet they are not a victim of discrimination. They are a victim of their DNA that presupposes them to schizophrenia which interferes with normal functioning. The difference in the DNA is minimal, the outcome is huge. So the argument of PJ O’Rourke is really silly.
True, it is neither proven that average differences of certain mental characteristics exist nor that they don’t exist. But I think the existence of such average group differences is not implausible. There are already many features, like body height, that have a variation in every ethnic group and average differences between different ethnic groups.
And I discovered this in the most direct fashion possible: by sleeping around all over the world.”
While I would say that nearly all ethnic groups have good looking ones, I find it a bit odd, that he didn’t notice a difference or has a preference. Also, and I really don’t want to insult them, and hope that this is not seen as racist, I find Australian Aborigines not very attractive, the large supraorbital ridges just look weird to me.
The difference between white Norwegians and Middle Eastern Muslims is totally fabricated by people who decided that it s the best way to preserve their privilege.
Can this be proven, rigorously proven? I doubt it.
@Ami Angelwings
I like how our trolls are so adaptive. xD In other times they have been misogynists…
I think, the trolls will plague you as long as you’re so stubborn to use the word “troll” like old media. Btw, I saw your avatar in the Manboobz forum… how old are you??
@Marc:
“True, it is neither proven that average differences of certain mental characteristics exist nor that they don’t exist. But I think the existence of such average group differences is not implausible.”
“Can this be proven, rigorously proven? I doubt it.”
So on the one hand, the very fact that differences may exist between races is good enough grounds for treating them seperately… But any attempts at showing equality must be “rigorously proven…”
Rrrrrriiiight….
I’m gonna go hang out with people who treat other people based on things other than who their parents were. Have fun with you white power friends.
They will become extinct if the birth rate doesn’t go up, that’s how I put it.
no, they won’t, I don’t care how you put it. And so what if they did? we’re still all humans, it is still one fricking species. It came from one central strain, and skin color is a purely cosmetic difference that has nothing to do with the species.
White folks, brown folks, yellow folks, red folks. All just folks. Nothing inherently good or bad in any of them, and the intermingling of the races helps break down barriers.
The hot topic are of course mental differences.
Oh bite me you unrepentant racist. what really bothers you is dick size, isn’t it?
“There’s already overwhelming evidence that many mental illnesses have an genetic component. Schizophrenic people mostly are not able to make a good career, yet they are not a victim of discrimination. They are a victim of their DNA that presupposes them to schizophrenia which interferes with normal functioning. The difference in the DNA is minimal, the outcome is huge. So the argument of PJ O’Rourke is really silly.”
Of course, Marc is positing harmful effects that have never been shown or even hinted, while ignoring the fact that interracial mixing has been shown to have several benefits, such as more robust immune systems.
While I would say that nearly all ethnic groups have good looking ones, I find it a bit odd, that he didn’t notice a difference or has a preference. Also, and I really don’t want to insult them, and hope that this is not seen as racist, I find Australian Aborigines not very attractive, the large supraorbital ridges just look weird to me.
this is just appallingly, amazingly repulsive. How do you ever feel qualified to criticize who another person feels attracted to? I mean what YOU are attracted to is one thing, and it is obvious that you are so twisted that you could never consider a cross-racial liaison, but that’s your prerogative and your loss. But O’Rourke, for all his asshole rich white guy conservative postures, still had enough of a healthy libido to go out and sleep around, around the world; I actually was surprised, although I suspect much of his talk is just that.
You know, it’s not that there isn’t a difference, and as you noted, even amongst the somewhat arbitrary racial lines, individual variation actually makes most of those differences moot; but it’s that you could actually see the attractiveness of people from all kinds of races and backgrounds if you weren’t such a racist twit.
Perhaps I would be more offended by DKMs accusations of communism if he actually knew anything about communism, history, or reality. Fucking anarchist nationalists, what is a person to do with those? Seriously, I am no Leninist by a long shot, but even I give Lenin more credit than DKMs asinine misreadings. Also, the conspiracy theory bit about FDR being a Stalinist puppet was pretty hilarious (as is the sudden conflation of all communists with Stalinists, all Marxists with communists, all communists with Leninists, all Leninists with Stalinists, etc.). Norman Thomas, William Foster, Verne L. Reynolds, and Earl Browder were just campaigning to distract folks from the real socialist takeover of Washington, lol. Repeat accusations by FDRs running mate that Hoover was a socialist were to throw people off of the scent as well. The notorious infighting of leftists is nothing more than a cover for our grand and masterfully coordinated international conspiracies.
I’m with sharculese and the DKM is a huge fucking racist thing. I am actually from an area with an operating Klan branch, DKM. Your ideas and their ideas match up just fine. That is because you are a huge fucking racist.
I think, the trolls will plague you as long as you’re so stubborn to use the word “troll” like old media. Btw,
the trolls will plague as long as people engage, that is the pattern. I don’t mind engaging, but there is a reason that the motto at several websites with open comment policies is “Don’t Feed The Troll” (DFTT)
Can this be proven, rigorously proven? I doubt it.
no, but it is a hella lot more demonstrable than this:
So on the one hand, the very fact that differences may exist between races is good enough grounds for treating them seperately… But any attempts at showing equality must be “rigorously proven…”
Rrrrrriiiight….
1. It’s a priori more plausible that there are average differences, because that’s already the case with many properties that vary between humans, like height, weight or facial characteristics.
2. We shouldn’t make dangerous experiments before we know that. If we once find out that there aren’t any differences, there’s no justification for separation. I’m not a dogmatic, I would never close my eyes to scientific evidence.
But for now, the burden of proof is on you, you say that peoples fears are unreasonable.
I’m gonna go hang out with people who treat other people based on things other than who their parents were. Have fun with you white power friends.
Standard emotional response.
no, they won’t, I don’t care how you put it.
If the birth rate stays under sustainability there will be less Norwegians every generation, that’s simply a fact.
“They will become extinct if the birth rate doesn’t go up, that’s how I put it.”
Possibly. Over a very long period of time. With many, many opportunities to change the trajectory and/or pass along Norwegian culture, language, history, etc. It’s certainly not immanent in any way, nor certain, nor even likely. Fuck, you know what’s a more likely way for all ethnic Norwegians to be wiped off the face of the earth? Almost anything. War. Global warming. Pollution. Illness. Thousands of delusional murderers let loose on island camps.
I actually do think it’s valuable to see cultures/people continue and not let them dwindle away. That does happen, you know — usually with poor indigenous peoples. It’s not even close to happening to Norwegians.
Not that you’re being serious anyway. Of course you’re just being shocking, what with your hilarious pro-murder stance! You so silly, Marc.
Oh, the lengths that Marc will go…
If the birth rate stays under sustainability there will be less Norwegians every generation, that’s simply a fact.
OK< here's the fact:
Muslims, and every other immigrant person, become Norwegians WHEN THEY OFFICIALLY IMMiGRATE. So when they reproduce, the offspring is in fact, Norwegian.
So the only thing you're arguing about is that Norwegians of one skin color are reproducing at a rate different than Norwegians of a different skin color.
You have already conceded that this is, at best, a superficial difference. So I will concede that yes, some people may fear this.
But here; how is that going to destroy Norwegians, who are not a race by any definition of the term? Only if you define "Norwegian" as "completely caucasoid with no diluting brown person blood"
How is that not racist? As well as MONUMENTALLY insulting to Norwegians of non-white heritage.
Standard emotional response.
So what? emotional responses can be valid.
You are arguing such transparent, wordy bullshit trying to obfuscate and filibuster the issue that I don’t blame anybody for bailing.
As I said upthread, sometimes, you have to go to the dog rape thread to feel clean again.
Myself, I am happy to throw this racist asshole back int the mud again and again, cuz yanno Imma zombie.
@Marc:
Let’s try this one more time.
“1. It’s a priori more plausible that there are average differences, because that’s already the case with many properties that vary between humans, like height, weight or facial characteristics.
2. We shouldn’t make dangerous experiments before we know that. If we once find out that there aren’t any differences, there’s no justification for separation. I’m not a dogmatic, I would never close my eyes to scientific evidence.
But for now, the burden of proof is on you, you say that peoples fears are unreasonable.”
It is infinitely more immoral to treat someone as less than what they deserve, than to give them more credit then they warrant.
In other words, if you treat all black people a certain way because they are black, you have done much more harm than if you treat each black person based on their actual personalities/abilities rather than their skin color. If you are wrong, and black people are not as intelligent (for instance), you’ve done nothing except give a person a chance to prove themselves on their own right. If you are correct, and there is no significant difference between races, you’ve just prevented yourself from being prejudiced against a person who does not deserve it.
Treating people on their merits rather than your expectations is universally a good thing, no matter what the reality is, and we don’t need to know the reality for it to be good. Treating people based on their looks (be it race, gender, etc.) runs the risk of treating someone unfairly (at best) or unjustly (at worst).
Your call Marc. Assume differences and risk being a bigot, or assume equality and risk giving individuals more credit than they might deserve. I know which one I’m going for.
Y’know, Zombie? Pretty much every thread is a dog rape thread for me in my house. I should just live-blog the pugs for further cleansing action.
hell, Bee, you could probably clean up if you made it a pay site.
I apparently have a sekrit admirer xD
So trolls show up cuz we use the word troll? xD
How old do you think I am Marc? xD (is that important? o_O How old is Marc? His avatar looks… blue… o_o xD )
I enjoy adaptive trolls :3 Like Marc’s doing a pretty good job of now being a racist (he’s a racist troll! *GASP* now he’s rly upset! XD ) now :]
This whole thing reminds me of the hue and cry in the GTA about various suburbs of Toronto becoming more and more “ethnic’ xD Like Markham being 50% Chinese and growing… or Brampton having a lot of East Indians.. and I remember a radio call in show where the host was talking about how we were destroying everything, how we shop at Wal-Mart (o_O) and how he was at a Wal-Mart and there were all these East Indians there and “you wish the British would just come and civilize the place” (which was… rly terrible given.. y’know history -_-) and callers saying “you need to shop at these places to avoid “the parasites” ) >_> and it’s like… they’re just SHOPPING, and it’s like OMFG NON WHITE PPL ARE EVERYWHERE! xD
all this handwringing and fear and talk of “Norwegians” to mean WHITE Norwegians, and that they’re going to be extinct and etc etc, reminds me a lot of that XD
pugs? Do they start to smell like Fritos if you haven’t given them a bath?
How old do you think I am Marc?
Oooo, can I play? I think you are…. 68!!
I enjoy adaptive trolls
This is funny, because professionally I do renovation and change of use for old buildings, so I enjoy Adaptive Reuse! We almost always clean the trolls out in the early phases of the projects, though.
about various suburbs of Toronto becoming more and more “ethnic’
WHAT? You mean they don’t like Rush anymore?
nd it’s like… they’re just SHOPPING, and it’s like OMFG NON WHITE PPL ARE EVERYWHERE! x
That’s appalling and hilarious. Cuz, what, non-whites are not supposed to SHOP?!?!?