Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, who killed more than 90 people in attacks on Friday, was motivated by a toxic mélange of far-right ideology largely revolving around his intense hatred of Islam. The 1500 page “manifesto” he posted to the internet – what appears to be a grab-bag of his own writing and material cut and pasted from assorted right-wing sites and even the Unabomber’s manifesto – crackles with denunciations of Muslims, “Marxists” and the assorted other bogeymen that haunt right-wing dreams.
And it’s also filled with denunciations of feminism that could easily have come from the posts and comments of Men’s Rights and misogynist “manosphere” blogs like The Spearhead, In Mala Fide, and, well, quite a few other sites I write about regularly on this blog. (Not to mention a few of this blog’s misogynist trolls.) In passage after passage, the ideology is the same, the language is the same, even the specific obsessions are the same – from no-fault divorce to the evils of “Sex and the City.” (Download the entire thing from the links here.)
I haven’t had time to go through the manifesto in great detail yet, but I wanted to share with you some selections from it that I think will strike most readers of this blog as strangely familiar.
The following selections, denouncing, among other things, the “’Sex and the City’ lifestyle,”appear to have been written by Breivik himself:
It’s the destructive and suicidal “Sex and the City” lifestyle (modern feminism, sexual revolution) which we are taught to revere as the truth. In that setting, men are not men anymore, but metro sexual and emotional beings that are there to serve the purpose as a never-criticising soul mate to the new age feminist woman goddess. The perfect matriarchy has now been fulfilled and complete equality has finally been achieved. The fact that mankind will seize to exist within three generations with this type of regime is irrelevant. Long live cultural Marxism! …
Isolated, “sex and the city lifestyle” is relatively harmless, but if you glorify it and ram it down the throat of mainstream society like we see today it becomes a lethal and destructive societal force as we are witnessing which eventually leads to a complete breakdown of moral/ethics, the nuclear family model and a sustainable fertility rate which again is leading us to the extinction of Europeans.
Breivik goes on to rant about STDs and no-fault divorce, before moving on to another favorite obsession of manosphere misogynists, the supposed sexual “capital” of manipulative women:
Females have a significantly higher proportion of erotic capital than males due to biological differences (men have significantly more prevalent sexual urges than females and are thus easily manipulated). The female manipulation of males has been institutionalised during the last decades and is a partial cause of the feminisation of men in Europe. This highly underestimated factor has contributed to the creation and rise of the matriarchal systems which are now dominating Western European countries. …
He also blames women for the spread of what he considers evil “cultural Marxism” and multiculturalism:
Fact: 60-70% of all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists are women. This partly explains why the gradual feminist revolution is directly linked to the implementation of multiculturalist doctrines. These feminist cultural Marxists do not only want more benefits and rights for themselves. They want it all, and have more or less been awarded with everything they could ever dream of achieving. They now have complete matriarchal supremacy domestically and exercise substantial influence in politics. …
Obsessed with the purported danger that Islam will outbreed the West, Breivik offers an assortment of creepy solutions to increase the fertility of Western whites. (It’s not altogether clear to me if these are all his own views, but they certainly are consistent with what he says elsewhere in the manifesto.) After suggesting limiting contraception and banning abortion, Breivik offers this “solution”:
Discourage women in general to strive for full time careers. This will involve certain sexist and discriminating policies but should increase the fertility rate by up to 0,1-0,2 points.
Women should not be encouraged by society/media to take anything above a bachelor’s degree but should not be prevented from taking a master or PhD. Males on the other hand should obviously continue to be encouraged to take higher education – bachelor, master and PhD. …
And then he’s back on his “Sex and the City” hobbyhorse:
Discourage women in general to strive for “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles. The mass media are currently actively glorifying/encouraging “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles which involves the glorification of casual sex, multiple sex partners and generally an extremely liberal individualistic lifestyle hostile to the traditional nuclear family values. As such, the non-restrictions of the mass media is the main cause for our unsustainable fertility rate of 1,5.
The indirect media/government glorification campaigns through individual artists, various series, movies and media coverage in general should reflect this new shift (no more glorification of “sex and the city lifestyles” or equivalent portrayals. No longer should women be pressured to have equal success regarding their career as males.
Womens “new role” should be actively illustrated and glorified through series, movies and commercials. This will involve significant restrictions in media freedoms and rights. These restrictions and reforms will result in an increased fertility rate of approximately 0,2-0,3 points.
The end result for implementing the above reforms would be an increase in the fertility rate up from 1,5 to approximately 2,1-2,4 which would be sustainable.
However, this will also involve significant restrictions in women’s rights and media rights.
And, like many in the manosphere, he also holds out hope for “artificial wombs,” which would of course reduce the inconvenience of relying on women to cooperate with his plans.
Large chunks of the manifesto consist of cut-and-pasted blog posts from an anonymous far-right Norwegian blogger known as Fjordman, whose now defunct blog can be found here. (According to Andrew Brown in the Guardian article linked to above, Breivik and Fjordman are not the same person.)
Here are some selections from the Fjordman posts that Breivik includes in his manifesto. Again, much of this will seem very familiar to many of you, I am sure.
For all the talk about “girl power” and “women kicking ass” which you see on movies these days, if the men of your “tribe” are too weak or demoralised to protect you, you will be enslaved and crushed by the men from other “tribes” before you can say “Vagina Monologues”. Which means that if you break down men’s masculinity, their willingness and ability to defend themselves and their families, you destroy the country. That’s exactly what Western women have done for the last forty years. ….
The male protective instinct doesn’t take action because Scandinavian women have worked tirelessly to eradicate it, together with everything else that smacks of traditional masculinity. Because of this, feminism has greatly weakened Scandinavia, and perhaps Western civilisation as whole. …
Didn’t feminists always claim that the world would be a better place with women in the driver’s seat, because they wouldn’t sacrifice their own children? Well, isn’t that exactly what they are doing now? Smiling and voting for parties that keep the doors open to Muslim immigration, the same Muslims who will be attacking their children tomorrow? …
Misandry, the hatred of men, isn’t necessarily less prevalent than misogyny, the hatred of women. The difference is that the former is much more socially acceptable.
If all oppression comes from Western men, it becomes logical to try weakening them as much as possible. If you do, a paradise of peace and equality awaits us at the other side of the rainbow. Well congratulations to Western European women. You’ve succeeded in harassing and ridiculing your own sons into suppressing many of their masculine instincts. To your surprise, you didn’t enter a feminist Nirvana, but paved the way for an unfolding Islamic hell. ….
Feminists claim that the reason why women haven’t been as numerous in politics and science as men is due to male oppression of women. Some of this is true. But it is not the whole story. Being male means having to prove something, to achieve something, in a greater way than it does for women. In addition to this, the responsibility for child rearing will always fall more heavily on women than on men. ….
it was in fact the women who started this whole “single is best” culture that now permeates much of the West. Since women initiate most divorces and a divorce can potentially mean financial ruin for a man, it shouldn’t really be too surprising that many men hesitate to get involved at all. … At the same time, women during the past few decades have made it a lot easier to have a girlfriend without getting married. So women make it riskier to get married and easier to stay unmarried, and then they wonder why men “won’t commit?” Maybe too many women didn’t think all this feminism stuff quite through before jumping on the bandwagon? …..
The elaborate welfare state model in Western Europe is frequently labelled as “the nanny state,” but perhaps it could also be named “the husband state.” Why? Well, in a traditional society, the role of men and husbands is to physically protect and financially provide for their women. In our modern society, part of this task has simply been “outsourced” to the state, which helps explain why women in general give a disproportionate support to high taxation and pro-welfare state parties. The state has simply become a substitute husband, upheld by taxation of their ex-husbands. ….
Radical feminism has bred suspicion and hostility, not cooperation. And what’s more, it has no in any way eradicated the basic sexual attraction between feminine women and masculine men. If people do not find this in their own country, they travel to another country or culture to find it, which in our age of globalisation is easier than ever. A striking number of Scandinavian men find their wives in East Asia, Latin America or other nations with a more traditional view of femininity, and a number of women find partners from more conservative countries. …
radical feminism has been one of the most important causes of the current weakness of Western civilisation, both culturally and demographically. Feminists, often with a Marxist world view, have been a crucial component in establishing the suffocating public censorship of Political Correctness in Western nations. They have also severely weakened the Western family structure, and contributed to making the West too soft and self-loathing to deal with aggression from Muslims. …
Well, after two generations of Second Wave Feminism, Ms. Willis and Ms. Beauvoir have had their way: The West has skyrocketing divorce rates and plummeting birth rates, leading to a cultural and demographic vacuum that makes us vulnerable to a take-over by… Islam. And feminists still aren’t satisfied. ….
Feminists claim that women have been victims of men, that men have oppressed women for centuries and that the sexes are equal. Denying this will result in the smears “misogynist” and “male chauvinist pig”. But equalising the sexes has led to a crippling feminisation of Western society … portraying women as oppressed victims and the equals of males is one example of how the pursuit of equality is being used to destroy our society and undermine – and therefore be in conflict with – Mother nature. ….
I’ll continue going through the manifesto to see what else I can find. If any of you decide to do the same thing, and find other selections in it that you find telling, please post them in the comments below.
I would also like to find specific writings on manosphere blogs – posts or comments – that directly parallel these selections from Breivik’s manifesto. If any of you are willing to help, again, please post your findings in the comments below, along with URLs to the sources of the manosphere quotes.
Ideas have consequences. Vile, hateful ideas have vile, hateful consequences.
For more on Breivik’s misogyny, see this post on Red Light Politics.
PZ Myers has more on Breivik’s noxious ideology, including his hatred of atheists, here.
Oh oh … my cat is black!
Basically he’s like Cade Foster from First Wave. xD
@Magpie we seem to suspect cats of being rapists in our lists more often than we should xD we like dogs tho! xD
The news media in Australia today focused on his use of videogames, ie playing video games causes people to become serial killers.
I wonder if they will next pick up on his hatred of sex and the city, “people who have an irrational hatred of sex in the city are future murderers”
With dogs, you get what you see. Cats are inscrutable.
I have a tuxedo cat – they look all smart, sophisticated AND cute…
@YOHAMI:
“The way I see it, this just has been about avoiding land mines and learning what type of language offends you and what language doesnt. I didnt change my opinions, just got more verbose about them.”
I’m honestly sorry to hear that. I could of sworn we were talking about.. you know.. what each of us thought about the matter and arguing a point, not trying to figure out how to assert your opinion without offending the other person. No wonder I don’t think you are honestly interested in my opinion.
“So, you still do the thing, I respond to your stuff (which I honestly agreed) and expand on it, and you call it like I “totally misunderstood you” and some others like “Im confused” and crap. I see all of that as… tactics. Im just learning how to speak to you without triggering the mines.”
You are assuming you understood my point. I said you didn’t. You see that as a tactic, rather than me actually thinking something other than what you thought I think. Super. Ties back into the “nearly everything is an intentional lie” thing.” How about, instead of assuming I’m in the same game as you of trying to disguise my opinion enough for you to accept it, you actually engage the point. If I say you don’t get it, and explain why, use that explanation. Figure out if I’m representing you fairly, and if not, explain why. None of this “tactics” and “landmines” garbage. Every “landmine” I’ve thrown at you is one you’ve constructed yourself.
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So, my point is that you shouldn’t make assumptions about a person’s abilities based on their race, gender, creed, sex, etc. Hire a woman not because she is a woman, but because of her abilities, and so forth. Do you disagree with this statement or not? If not, how did I misinterpret your previous post?
@YOHAMI again:
So, an easy target is simply stating an opposing point to a community. Alright, but what if you have evidence for your point? What if you have a syllogism to back it up? You are assuming that the community does not wish to engage in opposing views, and for some of the ones you mentioned, that is usually true.
First off, you have to be on topic for a forum. Don’t waltz into a feminist forum on a topic about rape and start saying “but what about how men get shafted in civil court?” If you come into a thread on a topic and expecting debate, your easiness or hardness of target will come from how well you can explain and defend your views. You have come into a thread off topic, are apparently terrible at saying what you mean the first time, and offer no defense of your opinions other than “It’s my experience” and “you’re being mean to me.” This, and only this, makes you an easy target.
Awww 😀
My cat is black and white too xD But she doesn’t look v tuxedo-ish >_>
@Jill rly? o_o
Video games don’t cause serial killing, but if you already view other people as Non Player Characters, games can encourage that.
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/from-fantasy-to-lethal-reality-breivik-trained-on-modern-warfare-game-20110725-1hw41.html
ah i see o:
YOHAMI: Shall we look at some of your “neutral” opinions?
amber like a good feminist cunt, likes to play really aggressive, which is dangerous. she is not a bad defender, mind you — for a girl — but her yelling at me is really pissing me off.
finally i start talking back. not a good idea. amber is the worst kind of woman, an angry feminist who is channeling A LOT of masculine energy. she thinks she is better than me, has no idea what is going on, and is getting frustrated that we are now losing 4-2, none of the goals being my fault, and in fact them being more her fault than anyone else’s. but still, she has to let out her anger, and once i start talking back, she has a target.
Or these gems:
<b?“Are you… seriously trying to argue that the time period which believed that if women went to school they would become infertile half-men (i.e. before women could vote) WASN’T sexist? Um, wow. Good luck with that.”
It was VERY sexist, very biased, very racist, very square minded, very classist, very stupid. Guess what, more or less like now, just balanced differently. When you go back and see all the injusticies done to women, there were parallel injusticies done to men. When you check the big picture of the men / women dynamics, you´ll find how everyone is always screwed up, and that a lot of the points the MRA guys make are valid.
So, I look back and look now and see the injusticies, I feel sympathy and want to help and make things fair for everyone. Feminism, however, cares about “everyone but men”, thus, making it fair to women without caring about men, only makes things even less fair to men, and thats the sole point of MRA.
Its such a simple thing really.
Stuff as simple as Feminism looking at third world poor countries and caring about “women and children”, what about men?
Or some figures saying that the real victims of war are “women and children”, what about men?
Or this “all soldiers are rapists”, really? so if some country messes with us and I go fight to defend your life, that makes me a rapist? fuck you?
Nice straw man there. Show me where feminism says all soldiers are rapists.
I really like this one: If we were all men no one would be keeping the civilization.
If we were all women “civilization” would be something with “quotes”.
As to your misogyny:
Guys: if the girl is trying to walk over you, just put her in her place in whatever fashion you feel like, and with the same intelligence you need when dealing with a child.
Its not about pleasing her and passing a test and getting a cookie. Its about having steel, clear, bold, non-crossable boundaries and standing for them no matter what the situation is. And being cool and assertive about it.
Thats what makes you the man.
Those are just from page one of your blog.
So when you say that you think MRA and Feminists are roughly equal…
I say bullshit.
YOHAMI: crap. I forgot that quoting you directly would get my post into moderation. Here it is, edited.
YOHAMI: Shall we look at some of your “neutral” opinions?
amber like a good feminist c**t, likes to play really aggressive, which is dangerous. she is not a bad defender, mind you — for a girl — but her yelling at me is really pissing me off.
finally i start talking back. not a good idea. amber is the worst kind of woman, an angry feminist who is channeling A LOT of masculine energy. she thinks she is better than me, has no idea what is going on, and is getting frustrated that we are now losing 4-2, none of the goals being my fault, and in fact them being more her fault than anyone else’s. but still, she has to let out her anger, and once i start talking back, she has a target.
Or these gems:
<b?“Are you… seriously trying to argue that the time period which believed that if women went to school they would become infertile half-men (i.e. before women could vote) WASN’T sexist? Um, wow. Good luck with that.”
It was VERY sexist, very biased, very racist, very square minded, very classist, very stupid. Guess what, more or less like now, just balanced differently. When you go back and see all the injusticies done to women, there were parallel injusticies done to men. When you check the big picture of the men / women dynamics, you´ll find how everyone is always screwed up, and that a lot of the points the MRA guys make are valid.
So, I look back and look now and see the injusticies, I feel sympathy and want to help and make things fair for everyone. Feminism, however, cares about “everyone but men”, thus, making it fair to women without caring about men, only makes things even less fair to men, and thats the sole point of MRA.
Its such a simple thing really.
Stuff as simple as Feminism looking at third world poor countries and caring about “women and children”, what about men?
Or some figures saying that the real victims of war are “women and children”, what about men?
Or this “all soldiers are rapists”, really? so if some country messes with us and I go fight to defend your life, that makes me a rapist? fuck you?
Nice straw man there. Show me where feminism says all soldiers are rapists.
I really like this one: If we were all men no one would be keeping the civilization.
If we were all women “civilization” would be something with “quotes”.
As to your misogyny:
Guys: if the girl is trying to walk over you, just put her in her place in whatever fashion you feel like, and with the same intelligence you need when dealing with a child.
Its not about pleasing her and passing a test and getting a cookie. Its about having steel, clear, bold, non-crossable boundaries and standing for them no matter what the situation is. And being cool and assertive about it.
Thats what makes you the man.
Those are just from page one of your blog.
So when you say that you think MRA and Feminists are roughly equal…
I say bullshit.
It’s a bit silly to say games CAUSE killing. The man himself seems to be saying he used the game as a tool for training, not that it influenced his decision.
@Pecunium to be fair, that first quote was a guest post, it wasn’t by him xD
@Kirby and he doesn’t talk like me xD
@Pecunium:
Is that seriously YOHAMI? Good lord, he’s practically a saint here by comparison…
@Pecunium The last one might be too… I dunno every word of that post obv but I suspect that’s also from his guest post… xD (he is in the comments tho, so you can make of that what you will)
@Ami:
One of the biggest problems with the world is not enough people talking like you. 😛
Lyn,
Can you believe its 6.30am here.
I agree with all you´re saying, but, you are putting the emphasis on different places. Your emphasis is about what we should expect people to be and perform, its about stereotypes, about not prejudging someone because of how you think X people are, etc. I agree with that.
This seems to be a huge point on feminism, fighting generalizations and destroying generalizations. From a prejudice point of view, this is 100% valid. No one should be judged by a generalization, everyone should be given a chance to be whatever they are, be judged for what they are, not to be molded or fit into expectations, not being forced to be, expected to be, just let be, regardless of gender, race, etc.
But, not to dwell too much on this now: feminism IS creating new stereotypes and, specifically, judging men and applying molds to men that not all men share. This is, for me, where feminism breaks. Its not playing fair.
And to my previous point. When I say “women more emotional” I dont mean it as a prejudice. Its the result of my experience and all the data I´ve been able to consume so far and it matches my reality. When I see men and women interacting, men tend to center on the text and women on the subtext. Or a men more focused on the words and women more focused on the “meaning”, or, men focusing on what the words mean and women focusing on how the words feel.
So, I see this stuff happening, and I bring it here. I get this goes against some guidelines and that announcing that there are (or might be) intrinsic general differences is unpopular here. Still, I dont mean them in an oppressive way.
Ami: Ah, so it was. On the other hand, he promoted it from comments to front page, so it was something he 1: thought relevant and 2: didn’t say was wrong, nor even flawed.
I KNOW xD
The funny part is when I first started comics blogging I thought I wouldn’t be abnormal xD Surely other ppl talk like me too xD Apparently those ppl don’t blog and I became this BIG THING where everybody was trying to figure out wtf was wrong w/ me, was a troll, a parody, etc etc xD The funny thing is that ppl who were turned off would eventually turn other ppl into reading me (“omg have you SEEN how she writes!?” ) and they realized despite my style they liked me xD I kept on trucking and got lots of fans xD
Kirby: Yeah. Going to his blog was how I figure it wasn’t YOhAMI. I’d decided I’d been rickrolled, before I checked the link.
Pecunium,
You mixed a guest post from my blog from Rivelino (who has some issues), and a comment / letter I wrote to ozymandias. She said that all soldiers were rapists, or someone in the comments did.
And please, how is this misogynistic?
“Guys: if the girl is trying to walk over you, just put her in her place in whatever fashion you feel like, and with the same intelligence you need when dealing with a child.
Its not about pleasing her and passing a test and getting a cookie. Its about having steel, clear, bold, non-crossable boundaries and standing for them no matter what the situation is. And being cool and assertive about it.
Thats what makes you the man.”
Is it because I say “with the same intelligence you need when dealing with a child”?
Mind that this woman IS trying to walk over you, and that Im talking to a segment of guys who LET women walk over them (you know, they exist) and are clueless about how to solve that problem. When a child bothers you, it doesnt work to get angry, what works is to keep your cool and not let it have its way. So, THAT kind of intelligence. Dont get angry, keep your cool, dont let it walk over you, be mature, etc.
… o_0 did you just compare women to children…
*walks off stag*
YOHAMI: Why did you promote that post to front page?
The misogyny is saying that women who “test” you are like children. Do you make the same comparison to men who test you.
Also you say that were it not for men, and there masculine drives there would be no civilisation. That’s a pretty strong claim that women are less intelligent, organised and sociable than men.
Care to show me where a tenet of feminism is that all soldiers are rapists?
redlocker,
“Really, YOHAMI, you’re not saying anything. You seem to move back and forth, alternating between posturing like you above everything around here and stating (frankly) stupid shit, and then back again. What are you trying to prove?”
Prove? Im just responding to whatever gets thrown at me.
If I say stupid shit, please point it at me. If Im wrong, I might learn something.