Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, who killed more than 90 people in attacks on Friday, was motivated by a toxic mélange of far-right ideology largely revolving around his intense hatred of Islam. The 1500 page “manifesto” he posted to the internet – what appears to be a grab-bag of his own writing and material cut and pasted from assorted right-wing sites and even the Unabomber’s manifesto – crackles with denunciations of Muslims, “Marxists” and the assorted other bogeymen that haunt right-wing dreams.
And it’s also filled with denunciations of feminism that could easily have come from the posts and comments of Men’s Rights and misogynist “manosphere” blogs like The Spearhead, In Mala Fide, and, well, quite a few other sites I write about regularly on this blog. (Not to mention a few of this blog’s misogynist trolls.) In passage after passage, the ideology is the same, the language is the same, even the specific obsessions are the same – from no-fault divorce to the evils of “Sex and the City.” (Download the entire thing from the links here.)
I haven’t had time to go through the manifesto in great detail yet, but I wanted to share with you some selections from it that I think will strike most readers of this blog as strangely familiar.
The following selections, denouncing, among other things, the “’Sex and the City’ lifestyle,”appear to have been written by Breivik himself:
It’s the destructive and suicidal “Sex and the City” lifestyle (modern feminism, sexual revolution) which we are taught to revere as the truth. In that setting, men are not men anymore, but metro sexual and emotional beings that are there to serve the purpose as a never-criticising soul mate to the new age feminist woman goddess. The perfect matriarchy has now been fulfilled and complete equality has finally been achieved. The fact that mankind will seize to exist within three generations with this type of regime is irrelevant. Long live cultural Marxism! …
Isolated, “sex and the city lifestyle” is relatively harmless, but if you glorify it and ram it down the throat of mainstream society like we see today it becomes a lethal and destructive societal force as we are witnessing which eventually leads to a complete breakdown of moral/ethics, the nuclear family model and a sustainable fertility rate which again is leading us to the extinction of Europeans.
Breivik goes on to rant about STDs and no-fault divorce, before moving on to another favorite obsession of manosphere misogynists, the supposed sexual “capital” of manipulative women:
Females have a significantly higher proportion of erotic capital than males due to biological differences (men have significantly more prevalent sexual urges than females and are thus easily manipulated). The female manipulation of males has been institutionalised during the last decades and is a partial cause of the feminisation of men in Europe. This highly underestimated factor has contributed to the creation and rise of the matriarchal systems which are now dominating Western European countries. …
He also blames women for the spread of what he considers evil “cultural Marxism” and multiculturalism:
Fact: 60-70% of all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists are women. This partly explains why the gradual feminist revolution is directly linked to the implementation of multiculturalist doctrines. These feminist cultural Marxists do not only want more benefits and rights for themselves. They want it all, and have more or less been awarded with everything they could ever dream of achieving. They now have complete matriarchal supremacy domestically and exercise substantial influence in politics. …
Obsessed with the purported danger that Islam will outbreed the West, Breivik offers an assortment of creepy solutions to increase the fertility of Western whites. (It’s not altogether clear to me if these are all his own views, but they certainly are consistent with what he says elsewhere in the manifesto.) After suggesting limiting contraception and banning abortion, Breivik offers this “solution”:
Discourage women in general to strive for full time careers. This will involve certain sexist and discriminating policies but should increase the fertility rate by up to 0,1-0,2 points.
Women should not be encouraged by society/media to take anything above a bachelor’s degree but should not be prevented from taking a master or PhD. Males on the other hand should obviously continue to be encouraged to take higher education – bachelor, master and PhD. …
And then he’s back on his “Sex and the City” hobbyhorse:
Discourage women in general to strive for “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles. The mass media are currently actively glorifying/encouraging “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles which involves the glorification of casual sex, multiple sex partners and generally an extremely liberal individualistic lifestyle hostile to the traditional nuclear family values. As such, the non-restrictions of the mass media is the main cause for our unsustainable fertility rate of 1,5.
The indirect media/government glorification campaigns through individual artists, various series, movies and media coverage in general should reflect this new shift (no more glorification of “sex and the city lifestyles” or equivalent portrayals. No longer should women be pressured to have equal success regarding their career as males.
Womens “new role” should be actively illustrated and glorified through series, movies and commercials. This will involve significant restrictions in media freedoms and rights. These restrictions and reforms will result in an increased fertility rate of approximately 0,2-0,3 points.
The end result for implementing the above reforms would be an increase in the fertility rate up from 1,5 to approximately 2,1-2,4 which would be sustainable.
However, this will also involve significant restrictions in women’s rights and media rights.
And, like many in the manosphere, he also holds out hope for “artificial wombs,” which would of course reduce the inconvenience of relying on women to cooperate with his plans.
Large chunks of the manifesto consist of cut-and-pasted blog posts from an anonymous far-right Norwegian blogger known as Fjordman, whose now defunct blog can be found here. (According to Andrew Brown in the Guardian article linked to above, Breivik and Fjordman are not the same person.)
Here are some selections from the Fjordman posts that Breivik includes in his manifesto. Again, much of this will seem very familiar to many of you, I am sure.
For all the talk about “girl power” and “women kicking ass” which you see on movies these days, if the men of your “tribe” are too weak or demoralised to protect you, you will be enslaved and crushed by the men from other “tribes” before you can say “Vagina Monologues”. Which means that if you break down men’s masculinity, their willingness and ability to defend themselves and their families, you destroy the country. That’s exactly what Western women have done for the last forty years. ….
The male protective instinct doesn’t take action because Scandinavian women have worked tirelessly to eradicate it, together with everything else that smacks of traditional masculinity. Because of this, feminism has greatly weakened Scandinavia, and perhaps Western civilisation as whole. …
Didn’t feminists always claim that the world would be a better place with women in the driver’s seat, because they wouldn’t sacrifice their own children? Well, isn’t that exactly what they are doing now? Smiling and voting for parties that keep the doors open to Muslim immigration, the same Muslims who will be attacking their children tomorrow? …
Misandry, the hatred of men, isn’t necessarily less prevalent than misogyny, the hatred of women. The difference is that the former is much more socially acceptable.
If all oppression comes from Western men, it becomes logical to try weakening them as much as possible. If you do, a paradise of peace and equality awaits us at the other side of the rainbow. Well congratulations to Western European women. You’ve succeeded in harassing and ridiculing your own sons into suppressing many of their masculine instincts. To your surprise, you didn’t enter a feminist Nirvana, but paved the way for an unfolding Islamic hell. ….
Feminists claim that the reason why women haven’t been as numerous in politics and science as men is due to male oppression of women. Some of this is true. But it is not the whole story. Being male means having to prove something, to achieve something, in a greater way than it does for women. In addition to this, the responsibility for child rearing will always fall more heavily on women than on men. ….
it was in fact the women who started this whole “single is best” culture that now permeates much of the West. Since women initiate most divorces and a divorce can potentially mean financial ruin for a man, it shouldn’t really be too surprising that many men hesitate to get involved at all. … At the same time, women during the past few decades have made it a lot easier to have a girlfriend without getting married. So women make it riskier to get married and easier to stay unmarried, and then they wonder why men “won’t commit?” Maybe too many women didn’t think all this feminism stuff quite through before jumping on the bandwagon? …..
The elaborate welfare state model in Western Europe is frequently labelled as “the nanny state,” but perhaps it could also be named “the husband state.” Why? Well, in a traditional society, the role of men and husbands is to physically protect and financially provide for their women. In our modern society, part of this task has simply been “outsourced” to the state, which helps explain why women in general give a disproportionate support to high taxation and pro-welfare state parties. The state has simply become a substitute husband, upheld by taxation of their ex-husbands. ….
Radical feminism has bred suspicion and hostility, not cooperation. And what’s more, it has no in any way eradicated the basic sexual attraction between feminine women and masculine men. If people do not find this in their own country, they travel to another country or culture to find it, which in our age of globalisation is easier than ever. A striking number of Scandinavian men find their wives in East Asia, Latin America or other nations with a more traditional view of femininity, and a number of women find partners from more conservative countries. …
radical feminism has been one of the most important causes of the current weakness of Western civilisation, both culturally and demographically. Feminists, often with a Marxist world view, have been a crucial component in establishing the suffocating public censorship of Political Correctness in Western nations. They have also severely weakened the Western family structure, and contributed to making the West too soft and self-loathing to deal with aggression from Muslims. …
Well, after two generations of Second Wave Feminism, Ms. Willis and Ms. Beauvoir have had their way: The West has skyrocketing divorce rates and plummeting birth rates, leading to a cultural and demographic vacuum that makes us vulnerable to a take-over by… Islam. And feminists still aren’t satisfied. ….
Feminists claim that women have been victims of men, that men have oppressed women for centuries and that the sexes are equal. Denying this will result in the smears “misogynist” and “male chauvinist pig”. But equalising the sexes has led to a crippling feminisation of Western society … portraying women as oppressed victims and the equals of males is one example of how the pursuit of equality is being used to destroy our society and undermine – and therefore be in conflict with – Mother nature. ….
I’ll continue going through the manifesto to see what else I can find. If any of you decide to do the same thing, and find other selections in it that you find telling, please post them in the comments below.
I would also like to find specific writings on manosphere blogs – posts or comments – that directly parallel these selections from Breivik’s manifesto. If any of you are willing to help, again, please post your findings in the comments below, along with URLs to the sources of the manosphere quotes.
Ideas have consequences. Vile, hateful ideas have vile, hateful consequences.
For more on Breivik’s misogyny, see this post on Red Light Politics.
PZ Myers has more on Breivik’s noxious ideology, including his hatred of atheists, here.
I think it may have been a mistake to name the rooster “Rhonda Birchmore”.
Popped bacon – now you’re talking!
“Don’t hire women because women are artistic, hire a woman because she is artistic. Don’t hire a man because he’s good at math, hire him because he is good at math.”
“You mean that everybody should be judged as an individual, regardless of stereotypes or anecdotal exp or etc… not that you think we should have a QB that can’t throw and still insist he’s as equal as one that can throw. xD”
These quotes are going straight in the pool room.
Johnny Pez,
“No, yohAMI, I didn’t mean your intervention in this thread, I meant your initial decision to intervene on Manboobz. Why us? Was it because David was hypocritically mocking the rampant misogyny within the MRM when feminists are JUST AS BAD?”
Ah. No. I got here initially because Ozymandias mentioned it a while ago. Im interested on the themes, and I´ve been lurking here for a while.
So my intention. Read interesting stuff, read opinions, debate, get exposed to new ideas, come out changed, and to give my grain of sand whenever I can and contribute. Pretty generic stuff.
So. I dont think David is hypocritically mocking the misogyny in the MRM. The MRM is clearly misogynist / is grabbing the issue by the wrong end of the stick. For me its hard to tell how much of the stuff they report is real and how much is just damage self inflicted. I dont think “mocking” them is sane though.
I dont think Feminism is “JUST AS BAD” as the MRM. I keep coming to feminist stuff because its close to what a holistic *humanist* movement should be, but I think feminism is still full of flaws.
So I keep reading and checking stuff and trying to figure what a proper movement should be, if we were able to take all parts in consideration and make something that worked for everyone. For that I need to talk to people, question stuff and get questioned.
But for that you need smart, smart people who can debate about stuff without making it a shit rain festival. That part is proving hard to find. Not just here but everywhere.
Maybe you should talk like me xD
“I keep coming to feminist stuff because its close to what a holistic *humanist* movement should be” – me too.
“But for that you need smart, smart people who can debate about stuff” – you might need to try a more serious feminist blog, one that isn’t headed “I mock it”.
That’s something I recommended earlier too xD
Someone on Slacktivist said “it never hurts to throw in a smiley. It’s like a handshake.”
@YOHAMI:
“So. I dont think David is hypocritically mocking the misogyny in the MRM. The MRM is clearly misogynist / is grabbing the issue by the wrong end of the stick. For me its hard to tell how much of the stuff they report is real and how much is just damage self inflicted. I dont think “mocking” them is sane though.”
For my sake, and for everyone’s sake, could you please please PLEASE admit that where you are now is not where you were when this whole mess started? You’ve invisibly done a complete 180, and aren’t giving anyone credit for your change in opinion. It’s only polite to us.
Yes Ami – I remember a few other people repeated your suggestion as well 🙂 Do you feel like a broken record yet 😉
Thanks to my rape prevention tips snark list, I can’t think of “like a handshake” w/o thinking about the receipt rapists xD
I feel like a broken t-1000 >_>
Oh it wasn’t the receipt rapist, it was identity thieves xD
[23:31] Ami: 2. THINK every time before you leave your name, address or phone number in public view or give out information regarding your daily routine.
[23:31] Ami: Again, great advice
[23:31] Ami: for avoiding identity theft
[23:31] Ami: not for avoiding rape
[23:31] Zhinxy: identity thieves like to rape you first
[23:31] Ami: xD
[23:31] Zhinxy: then go on a shopping spree
[23:31] Ami: it’s like a handshake
from
http://ami-rants.blogspot.com/2011/05/justice-avengers-of-cat-doom-ami-trish.html
Rape prevention tips snark list? If it’s not too much trouble – where is it?
the link is there in my comment :3
http://ami-rants.blogspot.com/2011/07/ami-trish-and-zhinxy-snarkle-rape.html
part 2 is there
I’ll never look at a receipt the same way again
Or my cat, for that matter. I like the topiary house for rapists to hide in, but.
I would like to thank Dave for pointing out what no media outlet in my country has had the courage to do yet: that anti-feminism is one of Breivik’s motivations.
The media often keeps silent on misogyny. I wonder if he shot the young people indiscriminately, or targeted the young women in particular. It’s hard to believe it could be more hideous.
Breivik is quoted by ABC (Australia) as saying the shootings were cruel but necessary, and feels that what he has done does not deserve punishment. Deeply out of touch with reality, or too eaten up by his hatred?
I am so grieved for the people who have lost their children to this man’s actions.
To all the MRAs and people who are not MRAs but just find the MRM has validity who have ranted or deflected in this thread: you are little, little men who are not getting any bigger. The more you follow your white rabbit down the hole, the smaller you get. When representatives of your beliefs kill people, I know you get a thrill of power and revenge. But it’s not making you bigger, or more fearsome, or intimidating people into giving you what you want. It’s making you so tiny, no-one can recognise your humanity any more.
If Flufffinder wants to post this irrational tirade on his fearsome site for his vast global audience, I want him to know it was totally Ami Angelwings idea, and she should be given pole position on said fearsome site.
kirbywarp,
“For my sake, and for everyone’s sake, could you please please PLEASE admit that where you are now is not where you were when this whole mess started? You’ve invisibly done a complete 180, and aren’t giving anyone credit for your change in opinion. It’s only polite to us.”
No dude, no 180 and no change in opinion. What changed, maybe, is that Im making an EXTRA effort to prove Im not a snake and not to get confrontational with guys like you when Im being provoked, because getting confrontational and calling you names would only confirm what you were trying to prove about myself. I got up and down in the defensiveness scale quite a lot already.
The way I see it, this just has been about avoiding land mines and learning what type of language offends you and what language doesnt. I didnt change my opinions, just got more verbose about them.
It seems like the brevity + dissonance of my opinion gave you the wrong picture, so you completed it and accused me of having a posture that I dont have (thus me calling you on the strawman thing), but Im saying the same stuff now as before.
So, you still do the thing, I respond to your stuff (which I honestly agreed) and expand on it, and you call it like I “totally misunderstood you” and some others like “Im confused” and crap. I see all of that as… tactics. Im just learning how to speak to you without triggering the mines.
We still have dissonant opinions, I guess, and I disprove how you tackle on the interaction, but, thats what I have to deal with if I want to talk to people who is deeply ingrained in alien systems like this one.
Believe me that when you go talk in a capitalist forum and bring up that “free market” has some issues, the same rainshit explodes. I dont think its just “me” but how social circles with lots of internal agreements and key words – work.
bravo eilish
Or you could just talk like me xD
I dun actually think you and Kirby agree and it’s all a big misunderstanding… and I think you’re being rly condescending to Kirby that he has all these landmines and comprehension issues and assumptions just cuz he disagrees w/ you xD
My faves from the list are: “after all you can’t be acquaintance raped if you don’t have acquaintances”
and
don’t open the door to a mewling black cat, even if it looks lost
Your rapist might be a wizared
that may be one of his familiars
Bwahahha!
Yohami, you’re blog sure reads like an MRA blog.
kirby,
“Alright, I’m gonna have to ask you to elaborate here. What exactly makes you an easy target? Dollars to donuts you think it is something other than what it actually is.”
Easy target: entering a church where you dont know anyone and saying out loud stuff that goes against the common sense of the church. Then sustain that this is not “trolling” but an honest question / opinion / view, while everyone tries to prove its not.
Go into a christian church and take a moment to say homosexuality is not a sin. A capitalist forum and talk to the people there that the free market and capital is causing some problems. A marxist meeting and tell them that the factory-hour scheme cant work and its unscalable. A MRM forum and say that they should be taking care of their own stuff instead of putting the blame outside. A Game forum and say that “fake til you make it” isnt the proper approach and that PUA has the wrong frame. A physics meeting and question Einstein relativity. Etc.
We form communities around certain subjects and those communities share a common sense, keywords, dos and donts. Each community has attackers. Each community has some valid stuff, and some non valid stuff. The members, however, are either unaware that they hold just a tiny piece of the reality and that they are missing stuff out, or they are just there for the sense of belonguing, and really uninterested on the facts and truths and wrong, but just sustaining the dogma and the fraternity. So any external views is perceived as a threat to that system and expelled, or immobilized and destroyed before its able to propagate and hurt the system.
Try to get a tv space on US television and speak about the valid points of communism. Shit rain granted.
But every of these communes also have truth finders, seekers, people who is doing some valid stuff and are open to the bigger picture.
Im like a nomad in the search. I go into one after another and try to grab whats going on and learn and share / but Im also a dissonant voice, Im not one of the commune, and I bring something unwanted (the external, mostly) and ignorance (about the internal rules), so yeah, I make myself an easy target.
Its alright though.
jill… is that you twisty?