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Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik’s manifesto reveals him to be a rabid antifeminist with views strikingly similar to many MRAs

Anders Breivik Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, who killed more than 90 people in attacks on Friday, was motivated by a toxic mélange of far-right ideology largely revolving around his intense hatred of Islam. The 1500 page “manifesto” he posted to the internet – what appears to be a grab-bag of his own writing and material cut and pasted from assorted right-wing sites and even the Unabomber’s manifesto  – crackles with denunciations of Muslims, “Marxists” and the assorted other bogeymen that haunt right-wing dreams.

And it’s also filled with denunciations of feminism  that could easily have come from the posts and comments of Men’s Rights and misogynist “manosphere” blogs like The Spearhead, In Mala Fide, and, well, quite a few other sites I write about regularly on this blog. (Not to mention a few of this blog’s misogynist trolls.)  In passage after passage, the ideology is the same, the language is the same, even the specific obsessions are the same – from no-fault divorce to the evils of “Sex and the City.”  (Download the entire thing from the links here.)

I haven’t had time to go through the manifesto in great detail yet, but I wanted to share with you some selections from it that I think will strike most readers of this blog as strangely familiar.

The following selections, denouncing, among other things, the “’Sex and the City’ lifestyle,”appear to have been written by Breivik himself:

It’s the destructive and suicidal “Sex and the City” lifestyle (modern feminism, sexual revolution) which we are taught to revere as the truth. In that setting, men are not men anymore, but metro sexual and emotional beings that are there to serve the purpose as a never-criticising soul mate to the new age feminist woman goddess. The perfect matriarchy has now been fulfilled and complete equality has finally been achieved. The fact that mankind will seize to exist within three generations with this type of regime is irrelevant. Long live cultural Marxism! …

Isolated, “sex and the city lifestyle” is relatively harmless, but if you glorify it and ram it down the throat of mainstream society like we see today it becomes a lethal and destructive societal force as we are witnessing which eventually leads to a complete breakdown of moral/ethics, the nuclear family model and a sustainable fertility rate which again is leading us to the extinction of Europeans.

Breivik goes on to rant about STDs and no-fault divorce, before moving on to another favorite obsession of manosphere misogynists, the supposed sexual “capital” of manipulative women:

Females have a significantly higher proportion of erotic capital than males due to biological differences (men have significantly more prevalent sexual urges than females and are thus easily manipulated). The female manipulation of males has been institutionalised during the last decades and is a partial cause of the feminisation of men in Europe. This highly underestimated factor has contributed to the creation and rise of the matriarchal systems which are now dominating Western European countries. …

He also blames women for the spread of what he considers evil “cultural Marxism” and multiculturalism:

Fact: 60-70% of all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists are women. This partly explains why the gradual feminist revolution is directly linked to the implementation of multiculturalist doctrines. These feminist cultural Marxists do not only want more benefits and rights for themselves. They want it all, and have more or less been awarded with everything they could ever dream of achieving. They now have complete matriarchal supremacy domestically and exercise substantial influence in politics. …

Obsessed with the purported danger that Islam will outbreed the West, Breivik offers an assortment of creepy solutions to increase the fertility of Western whites. (It’s not altogether clear to me if these are all his own views, but they certainly are consistent with what he says elsewhere in the manifesto.)  After suggesting limiting contraception and banning abortion, Breivik offers this “solution”:

Discourage women in general to strive for full time careers. This will involve certain sexist and discriminating policies but should increase the fertility rate by up to 0,1-0,2 points.

Women should not be encouraged by society/media to take anything above a bachelor’s degree but should not be prevented from taking a master or PhD. Males on the other hand should obviously continue to be encouraged to take higher education – bachelor, master and PhD. …

And then he’s back on his “Sex and the City” hobbyhorse:

Discourage women in general to strive for “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles. The mass media are currently actively glorifying/encouraging “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles which involves the glorification of casual sex, multiple sex partners and generally an extremely liberal individualistic lifestyle hostile to the traditional nuclear family values. As such, the non-restrictions of the mass media is the main cause for our unsustainable fertility rate of 1,5. 

The indirect media/government glorification campaigns through individual artists, various series, movies and media coverage in general should reflect this new shift (no more glorification of “sex and the city lifestyles” or equivalent portrayals. No longer should women be pressured to have equal success regarding their career as males.

Womens “new role” should be actively illustrated and glorified through series, movies and commercials. This will involve significant restrictions in media freedoms and rights. These restrictions and reforms will result in an increased fertility rate of approximately 0,2-0,3 points.

The end result for implementing the above reforms would be an increase in the fertility rate up from 1,5 to approximately 2,1-2,4 which would be sustainable.

However, this will also involve significant restrictions in women’s rights and media rights.

And, like many in the manosphere, he also holds out hope for “artificial wombs,” which would of course reduce the inconvenience of relying on women to cooperate with his plans.

Large chunks of the manifesto consist of cut-and-pasted blog posts from an anonymous far-right Norwegian blogger known as Fjordman, whose now defunct blog can be found here. (According to Andrew Brown in the Guardian article linked to above, Breivik and Fjordman are not the same person.)

Here are some selections from the Fjordman posts that Breivik includes in his manifesto. Again, much of this will seem very familiar to many of you, I am sure.

For all the talk about “girl power” and “women kicking ass” which you see on movies these days, if the men of your “tribe” are too weak or demoralised to protect you, you will be enslaved and crushed by the men from other “tribes” before you can say “Vagina Monologues”. Which means that if you break down men’s masculinity, their willingness and ability to defend themselves and their families, you destroy the country. That’s exactly what Western women have done for the last forty years. ….

The male protective instinct doesn’t take action because Scandinavian women have worked tirelessly to eradicate it, together with everything else that smacks of traditional masculinity. Because of this, feminism has greatly weakened Scandinavia, and perhaps Western civilisation as whole. …

Didn’t feminists always claim that the world would be a better place with women in the driver’s seat, because they wouldn’t sacrifice their own children? Well, isn’t that exactly what they are doing now? Smiling and voting for parties that keep the doors open to Muslim immigration, the same Muslims who will be attacking their children tomorrow? …

Misandry, the hatred of men, isn’t necessarily less prevalent than misogyny, the hatred of women. The difference is that the former is much more socially acceptable.

If all oppression comes from Western men, it becomes logical to try weakening them as much as possible. If you do, a paradise of peace and equality awaits us at the other side of the rainbow. Well congratulations to Western European women. You’ve succeeded in harassing and ridiculing your own sons into suppressing many of their masculine instincts. To your surprise, you didn’t enter a feminist Nirvana, but paved the way for an unfolding Islamic hell. ….

Feminists claim that the reason why women haven’t been as numerous in politics and science as men is due to male oppression of women. Some of this is true. But it is not the whole story. Being male means having to prove something, to achieve something, in a greater way than it does for women. In addition to this, the responsibility for child rearing will always fall more heavily on women than on men. ….

it was in fact the women who started this whole “single is best” culture that now permeates much of the West. Since women initiate most divorces and a divorce can potentially mean financial ruin for a man, it shouldn’t really be too surprising that many men hesitate to get involved at all. … At the same time, women during the past few decades have made it a lot easier to have a girlfriend without getting married. So women make it riskier to get married and easier to stay unmarried, and then they wonder why men “won’t commit?” Maybe too many women didn’t think all this feminism stuff quite through before jumping on the bandwagon? …..

The elaborate welfare state model in Western Europe is frequently labelled as “the nanny state,” but perhaps it could also be named “the husband state.” Why? Well, in a traditional society, the role of men and husbands is to physically protect and financially provide for their women. In our modern society, part of this task has simply been “outsourced” to the state, which helps explain why women in general give a disproportionate support to high taxation and pro-welfare state parties. The state has simply become a substitute husband, upheld by taxation of their ex-husbands. ….

Radical feminism has bred suspicion and hostility, not cooperation. And what’s more, it has no in any way eradicated the basic sexual attraction between feminine women and masculine men. If people do not find this in their own country, they travel to another country or culture to find it, which in our age of globalisation is easier than ever. A striking number of Scandinavian men find their wives in East Asia, Latin America or other nations with a more traditional view of femininity, and a number of women find partners from more conservative countries. …

radical feminism has been one of the most important causes of the current weakness of Western civilisation, both culturally and demographically. Feminists, often with a Marxist world view, have been a crucial component in establishing the suffocating public censorship of Political Correctness in Western nations. They have also severely weakened the Western family structure, and contributed to making the West too soft and self-loathing to deal with aggression from Muslims. …

Well, after two generations of Second Wave Feminism, Ms. Willis and Ms. Beauvoir have had their way: The West has skyrocketing divorce rates and plummeting birth rates, leading to a cultural and demographic vacuum that makes us vulnerable to a take-over by… Islam. And feminists still aren’t satisfied. ….

Feminists claim that women have been victims of men, that men have oppressed women for centuries and that the sexes are equal. Denying this will result in the smears “misogynist” and “male chauvinist pig”. But equalising the sexes has led to a crippling feminisation of Western society … portraying women as oppressed victims and the equals of males is one example of how the pursuit of equality is being used to destroy our society and undermine – and therefore be in conflict with – Mother nature. ….

I’ll continue going through the manifesto to see what else I can find. If any of you decide to do the same thing, and find other selections in it that you find telling, please post them in the comments below.

I would also like to find specific writings on manosphere blogs – posts or comments – that directly parallel these selections from Breivik’s manifesto. If any of you are willing to help, again,  please post your findings in the comments below, along with URLs to the sources of the manosphere quotes.

Ideas have consequences. Vile, hateful ideas have vile, hateful consequences.

For more on Breivik’s misogyny, see this post on Red Light Politics.

PZ Myers has more on Breivik’s noxious ideology, including his hatred of atheists, here.

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YOHAMI
9 years ago

Kirby,

“I doubt you have more knowledge than me on the MRM valid points? Im just saying Im by no means an expert.”

Gotcha, I did. Me in defensive mode. Thanks.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@YOHAMI:

*sigh*

All three ways of putting it are offensive. Saying someone is basically like a child, and the rest, is offensive. It is true that when you remove genders, the gender-based offensiveness disappears, but the statement is still offensive.

I don’t see how this makes the original statement not misogynist, if you can regender it and invent a new context to make it not misogynistic.

Again, are you gonna admit that you actually did say what you denied you said? Or are you afraid to admit when you were wrong (in opposition to what you’ve said before)?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Scratch that last paragraph then.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Lyn,

“Are you seriously telling me that irrational and rational are equally weighted?”

Weighted by whom? there are many types of intelligencies. You guys keep making it about one vs the other in some despicable scale. So whenever there are “differences” it brings inequality. I think that view is off.

Pecunium
9 years ago

So this guy writes a guest post, and you published it. You didn’t reject it, you just ran it, as is, “c**t and all, with his, “worst type of feminist” crap, and you don’t think there’s 1: anything wrong with that and 2: don’t think it equals any sort of imprimatur, nor even acceptance.

And we aren’t supposed to think you agree with it.

But you think a woman saying soldiers are rapists = a condemnation of all feminists.

Hypocrisy

Breivik makes a manifesto, explaining that part of the reason he killed more than 90 people (80 plus of them personally, at close range) is because feminism has ruined society and made men weak.

But that’s not relevant.

Hypocrisy

I can prove that feminists don’t think all soldiers are rapists. Right here, in this forum.

You defended him

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

“just put them in [their] place in whatever fashion you feel like, and with the same intelligence you need when dealing with a child.”

I still find it offensive if you make it about people – mainly the first paragraph. That passage is not about treating others like human beings with respect and care – it’s about steamrolling over them. It’s about not using intelligence to deal with a disagreement but just totally not caring about other people in the world.

I agree that setting boundaries is important – but they should never be at the expense of someone else’s boundaries or needs. It’s like human rights – they extend only so far as they don’t infringe on anyone else’s rights.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Kirby,

“So, are you gonna admit that you actually did say that you knew more about the valid MRM talking points than me, thus quantifying my knowledge of them as well?”

I said I DONT know much about the MRM points and that I doubt you knew more than me, and this was in the setup of you calling me an ignorant. So, making us both ignorant.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Sorry. I got lost in the editing. You defended Brievik.

But you condemned all feminsts for the writing of one person.

Hypocrisy

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

Also Kirby’s point – original paragraph is still misogynist.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Pecunium:

Don’t forget framing this whole discussion in terms of who is being defensive. He blatantly lies about his own words? Just being defensive, not my fault. You not accepting my opinon? You’re just being defensive, not your fault. Me not accepting your decision? You just being defensive, and lobbing landmines at me.

This whole thing is just him knowing the truth, and disguising it as a fact-finding mission, so he can seduce us into believing as him. If we don’t accept his argument, he simply isn’t disguising it well enough, or we are being defensive. There is no way to win here.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Pecunium,

“So this guy writes a guest post, and you published it. You didn’t reject it, you just ran it, as is, “c**t and all, with his, “worst type of feminist” crap, and you don’t think there’s 1: anything wrong with that and 2: don’t think it equals any sort of imprimatur, nor even acceptance.”

Of course there are things wrong with it. Rivelino is resentful and is framing stuff off.

“And we aren’t supposed to think you agree with it.”

You can assume whatever fits you.

“I can prove that feminists don’t think all soldiers are rapists. Right here, in this forum.”

Excellent.

“You defended Brievik.”

Yeah. Now Im a DEFENDER of the mass murderer. Nice touch.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Lyn,

“It’s about not using intelligence to deal with a disagreement but just totally not caring about other people in the world.”

I really dont get where you see that. If you have a child who is misbehaving, the type of intelligence you use assertively to deal with it, its not “steamrolling” over him/her but the opposite.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Pop quiz.

1: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

2: Do you think I’m a rapist?

Pecunium
9 years ago

YOHAMI: You defended MRAs by saying Brieviks rantings shouldn’t be used to tar all of them.

You are still trying to tar all feminists with the, alleged, rantings of one of them.

Hypocrisy

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Pecunium:

Hmm.. tough one.. I’d have to go with

1: yes

Man, you don’t pull any punches on this quiz, do you? Yeesh.. I’m going with… yes.. I mean

2: no

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Lyn,

“Also Kirby’s point – original paragraph is still misogynist.”

I guess you see it as misogynist because 1) portraits a woman as trying to walk over you and 2) putting her in her place as you would do with a child. Removing the woman and leaving people stops being misogynist but still somehow offensive because of the child word.

Again, seems like anything with women being portraited in a negative light is “misogyny” here, even if there´s actually a woman trying to walk over a guy – its like the proper way is to talk about her as a “person”

Honestly, this is all language, assumptions, framing, etc.

I frequently talk to guys who have problems with women, so thats my usual frame. Guys dealing with girls. Rarely the other way around.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

YOHAMI: “Weighted by whom? there are many types of intelligencies. You guys keep making it about one vs the other in some despicable scale. So whenever there are “differences” it brings inequality. I think that view is off.”

Like I said earlier, no, difference isn’t the problem. The thing is, though, that the argument that women are irrational has a long and proud history – one which has enabled systematic abuse of women’s rights for a very long time. Women have been denied education, jobs, the right to vote – all because we have been construed as incapable of reason. It exists more subtly now – but still exists. So, when you talk about women being irrational you link yourself with a bunch of harmful stereotypes about women. Yes, there are many different types of intelligences…are they necessarily gendered? How gendered? Maybe women tend to pay more attention to the feelings of those around them – but I think this is because women are told to pay attention to feelings while men are told that it isn’t manly to cry.

Irrational – not a compliment. Are all human beings, at times, irrational? Hell yes. Should this, rather than being demonised, be treated more sympathetically? Yes. Does insisting that women are more irrational than men help with this? IMO – No.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Pecunium,

1: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

No.

2: Do you think I’m a rapist?

Are you a rapist?

Pecunium
9 years ago

YOHAMI: What makes an adult who is testing your boundaries a child?

Why did you specify that women who test your boundaries are like children.

Why did you allow that post, instead of another to be the guest post?

Pecunium
9 years ago

YOHAMI: If you aren’t a feminist your opinion is irrelevant to the poll. You argue that feminists think being a soldier = rapist.

I am testing that proposition.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Lyn,

“Yes, there are many different types of intelligences…are they necessarily gendered? How gendered? Maybe women tend to pay more attention to the feelings of those around them – but I think this is because women are told to pay attention to feelings while men are told that it isn’t manly to cry.”

Exactly, Im interested on that questions. As for the stereotype that limited women, and races, and all the injustices, all of them should be abolished completely. Still, I see differences in men and women. Totally cultural? biological? adn? random? all the same? I dig into that.

I know that when I bring differences, specially if there are stereotypes for them, I link myself, or, rather, get externally linked to some abuses and stereotypes of the past. What can I do? I see differences. I investigate them. Its not a very PC thing to come argue about them here, I know.

jumbofish
9 years ago

1.)yes
2.)no

I feel silly. xD

YOHAMI
9 years ago

*on these questions. not THAT questions.

besides english not being my first language and the hours I´ve been at this, my fingers play tricks.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Lyn,

“Irrational – not a compliment. Are all human beings, at times, irrational? Hell yes. Should this, rather than being demonised, be treated more sympathetically? Yes. Does insisting that women are more irrational than men help with this? IMO – No.”

Im not trying to compliment women or men, Im trying to find whats the real deal.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@YOHAMI:

Here is the full context of your blog post:

If you are alpha and someone crosses your boundaries, that someone is the one failing the test.

Nice guys beta puas etc, when the girl attempts to cross a boundary, see it as a “test” that the girl is presenting, like the girl was a teacher and was trying to teach a lesson or something. Or worse case scenario they see it as a demand from some superior being that they need to please.

Guys: if the girl is trying to walk over you, just put her in her place in whatever fashion you feel like, and with the same intelligence you need when dealing with a child.

Its not about pleasing her and passing a test and getting a cookie. Its about having steel, clear, bold, non-crossable boundaries and standing for them no matter what the situation is. And being cool and assertive about it.

Thats what makes you the man.

And what you are responding to.

It is misogynistic. Like I said, being able to take a portion, regender or degender it, and destroy any context associated with it and coming out with something non-misogynistic, does not say jack about the original statement.

Pecunium
9 years ago

jumbofish: Sometimes feeling silly is good.

Johnny Pez
9 years ago

1.)yes

2.)no

jumbofish
9 years ago

indeed <3.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Pecunium,

“What makes an adult who is testing your boundaries a child?”

It doesnt make him or her a child. The intelligence YOU possess to deal with children, though, is useful to deal with manipulative people. As in, dont get in their frame, keep your own authority, and dont let them get to you emotionally, because its something that will pass. Thick skin but not a resentful / negative mood, or the children will start reacting to it.

Maybe manipulative people operate by the same tricks that worked when they were children. I dont know. I know (first hand experience) that the the same social intelligence works when dealing with both.

See? its not about if the adult is a children. Its about how you handle the situation. I stated that in the post, but, of course, put women and children in the same line and thats triggers a shit rain here.

Whats funny? in some other circles, that dont have these kind of triggers, the message reaches.

I guess if I eventually want to make my stuff universal I should just talk about people and avoid the easy comparisons and labels.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

YOHAMI, your arguments don’t exist in a vacuum. You didn’t come to your conclusions in a vacuum. When your conclusions align with sexist stereotypes, they are indeed suspect.

Pecunium
9 years ago

So… you admit to manipulating us.. to trying to test out boundaries… ergo we should treat you like a child Q.E.D.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Pecunium,

“Why did you allow that post, instead of another to be the guest post?”

Like I said, he´s an old friend and had his blog down at the moment. A lot of people wanted to get an update from him and thats what I got. Yeah, I posted a hatred and hurt post from a friend without editing the crap he said. One time deal.

Magpie
Magpie
9 years ago

“One time deal” I’m not really like that, honey. Promise it won’t happen again.

Yeah, right mate.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Pecunium,

“If you aren’t a feminist your opinion is irrelevant to the poll. You argue that feminists think being a soldier = rapist.”

I dont sustain that ALL feminists think ALL soldiers are rapists. But in that discussion, there were feminists saying stuff like “soldiers rape”, yes, in generic. Or stuff like “men rape” that I find offensive. And Hillary Clinton does have this charade that the real victims of war are women and children, etc.

So, no, I dont ARGUE that FEMINITS think that being a soldier means rapist. From what I have found, feminism isnt a monolith and there are many extremes colliding and antagonism.

Polling for soldiers = rape is going to get as many variants as slutwalks = useful. Some very supportive, some very antagonistic.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

Talking about twisting word YOHAMI: “Im not trying to compliment women or men, Im trying to find whats the real deal.”

I know you aren’t trying to compliment anyone – but you insisted that irrational and rational are just different and implied that one of them is a negative attribution and one a positive just slipped your mind when you argued women were irrational and men were rational. They aren’t neutral, they are loaded – by society/everyone. You came up with the binary – you were the one who said that men react in x way and women react in y way because of z.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

“But in that discussion, there were feminists saying stuff like “soldiers rape”, yes, in generic. Or stuff like “men rape” that I find offensive.” So, you’re saying you don’t like it when feminists generalise about men? Huh. Perhaps now you can understand why we don’t like it when you say all women are x.

Some men rape. Some women rape. Some soldiers rape. Some soldiers are encouraged to rape in order to commit a genocide/breed out the local population. All of these things are bad and hurt people.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

kirbywarp,

Thanks for posting the full post.

Again, I see that you find the whole framing offensive. I see that you see that portraiting a woman in any negative light means misogyny. If Im wrong, please set me straight about it.

For the text not to be misogynistic I shouldnt be talking about how to deal with a WOMAN who misbehaves, but with a PERSON who does so.

Thing is Im talking to guys who have women issues. Not talking universal.

And there are women who are abusive, and guys who have problems with them. Addressing that population doesnt mean theres “hate towards women” at all.

But I get what you see. I think.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Lyn,

Right before addressing your disagreeing, I myself noted that “irrational vs rational” is a tinted phrase, that I didnt initiate (or, fuck, if I used both words, its not the same as the obvious insult “irrational” means) And I represented the same idea without using the already loaded jergon and presented them as intelligences.

I KNOW irrational vs rational is bullshit. Im not defending THAT nor the baggage they bring with them.

Pecunium
9 years ago

YOHAMI: This is what you said.

Stuff as simple as Feminism looking at third world poor countries and caring about “women and children”, what about men?

Or some figures saying that the real victims of war are “women and children”, what about men?

Or this “all soldiers are rapists”, really? so if some country messes with us and I go fight to defend your life, that makes me a rapist? fuck you?

If theres war with Canada and your boyfriends gets recruited (forced into the army against his will) but he does go to fight, is he a rapist now?

Whenever Feminism says stuff about men, just figure, for a moment, that they are talking about black people.

Not some feminists. “Feminism”

Not “some soldiers” All soldiers.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@YOHAMI:

“Again, I see that you find the whole framing offensive. I see that you see that portraiting a woman in any negative light means misogyny. If Im wrong, please set me straight about it.”

You are wrong. Very, very very wrong.

You are talking talking under the PUA framework, the one where guys have to trick or otherwise manipulate women for sex, the one that enforces nearly every gender stereotype in the book. For the text to not be misogynistic, you’d almost have to not talk about PUAs, or Alpha-Beta theory at all.

Your version of “women who are abusive” is women who shit-test their PUAs before relinquishing sex. Your terminology is abysmally misleading. I’m seeing what is there. The text is misogynistic.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Here’s the sucker punch.

I’m a soldier. Three feminists (who know that) have said they don’t think I’m a rapist.

So… you argue Feminism = all soldiers are rapists.

And you are, demonstrably, wrong.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Lyn,

“Huh. Perhaps now you can understand why we don’t like it when you say all women are x.”

Of course I get it.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Kirby,

“You are talking talking under the PUA framework, the one where guys have to trick or otherwise manipulate women for sex, the one that enforces nearly every gender stereotype in the book. For the text to not be misogynistic, you’d almost have to not talk about PUAs, or Alpha-Beta theory at all.”

If you read my stuff, you´ll find that Im totally against of the very concept of PUA.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Kirby: You are being a bit unfair to YOHAMI. He thinks that PUAs don’t understand game. Real Alphas just get sex because they are a seat on the alpha cock carousel. It’s fakers who bring beta game to bear who have to trick people.

So it’s just manipulation he uses.

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Pecunium,

“So… you argue Feminism = all soldiers are rapists.”

I…. dont argue that.

I´ve spent most of this time defending that I didnt say or whatever. I guess you miss the part, again, where this was a response to ONE person. Well, so be it.

Pecunium
9 years ago

YOHAMI: I quoted you. You didn’t say, “one person” you said “Feminism”.

I can’t do anything more fair than read what you say, and observe what you do.

Jill the Spinster
Jill the Spinster
9 years ago

Yohami,

You are telling us you are a chameleon? You have different opinions based upon your audience?

On your blog you write for MRAs therefore you are more MRA positive there, but that is not your real opinion?

Here, when other MRA trolls were around, you were more pro MRA, now that they are gone you said you didn’t believe that at all, that you were testing us?

Then you say you need to be more gender neutral in the future to attract a bigger audience to your blog?

Are you in market research?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

And the rest?

YOHAMI
9 years ago

Pecunium

“I can’t do anything more fair than read what you say, and observe what you do.”

Thats a good note.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

“Of course I get it.”

But still you do it, and defend your right to do it… because you can’t be bothered with being PC or getting involved in NAWALT arguments…

Riiight.