Another elevator joke for you all:
So Pierce Harlan of the False Rape Society blog gets into an elevator ….
Well, OK, not a joke. In his latest post, Harlan offers a reaction, of sorts, to the whole atheist elevator incident –- by relating an anecdote of a recent elevator experience of his own.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has now deleted the post in question. It can still be seen, at least for now, in Google’s cache of the original page, which you can find here. Grab screenshots! Back to the story:
Seems he was riding a hotel elevator with a sweet old lady. Neither one said anything to the other (Harlan apparently hates talking to sweet old ladies) but when he got off the elevator – well, let’s let him explain:
I glanced back at her and saw that … she was immobilized with fear. In fact, she was practically cowering in the corner. Her eyes couldn’t have been wider if I had whipped out my dick and lathered it up with Grey Poupon. Hers was the face of utter, unbridled fear, and she was watching me like the scardest of scared deer. She said not a word but her demeanor practically pleaded, “Please don’t rape me, sir!”
Now, Harlan seems to have what you might call a taste for overstatement. He describes feminists as “screeching banshees” and “extremist loons allied with the sexual grievance industry.” I doubt he could describe a chicken-salad sandwich without resorting to angry hyperbole. (That was a little bit of overstatement on my part.) But let’s just assume that there is at least a kernel of truth here: this woman was creeped out by Harlan.
So what was Harlan’s response to this woman’s obvious discomfort?
[N]o one has more empathy for his fellow human beings than I do. The first thought that came to my mind in response to the obvious fear on the face of this pathetic, sweet looking, older woman — who probably never hurt anyone in her entire life — was fuck you!
Obviously we are supposed to ask just what it was that drove Harlan – the self-described world’s most empathetic man – to say something so seemingly callous? Well, as is usually the case with those we write about here, it all comes back to man-hating ladies and their male allies, with their evil insistence on sexual assault education (sorry, “indoctrination”) and their callous demands to “’take back the night,’ although the night has always been theirs.”(I don’t quite know what that means, but it sure sounds selfish of these women to want a whole extra night just for themselves.)
Ours is, Harlan says, “a culture marked by crass, hysterical fear-mongering about male sexual predation and violence.” (Evidently some guys haven’t gotten the memo on this.)
But all this evil misandry seems to have left poor Mr. Harlan in an uncharitable mood towards, well, almost everyone — though he directs his worst opprobrium at sweet old ladies.
Fuck them all. The paranoia of the woman in the elevator is her problem, not mine. Ironically, the elevator, the hotel itself, the car she rode in and the roads she rode on to get to the hotel were all undoubtedly conceived, designed, and built by men — men she’d fear just as much as me if they were standing in that elevator with her. I felt no guilt or shame or bewilderment over the fact that she fears me because of my birth class. Let her fear me. I can’t change it, and I have too much to do to worry about it.
And maybe, just maybe, it’s good that some people fear us. Maybe we should exult in the power we wield by reason of their paranoia. One thing I know: I will never do anything to alleviate their paranoia. In fact, I’m just fine with it, thank you very much. If someday, my riding the elevator causes some old woman to have a heart attack, that, too, is not my problem. Blame it on a culture that I don’t approve of. Blame on sweet looking, older women who give in to the paranoia.
Truly the world’s most empathetic man.
Harlan goes on to talk briefly about the Rebecca Watson elevator incident. Needless to say, he adds nothing interesting to the discussion.
I guessed right. 😀
*waits for david to release my comment*
Johnny Pez, is that the protocol that requires setting it in lead type around a cylindrical object?
Every time you talk I get really confused about what your saying ff. Especially in your first post here, I had no idea what you were talking about. Your other posts are a bit more coherent but I’m still like @_@ every time I try to read them
Granted, this may be because your walls of text distract me. You might want to split your post into more readable paragraphs.
feminists as “screeching banshees” and “extremist loons allied with the sexual grievance industry.”
I don’t read the word “feminist” there…
and their callous demands to “’take back the night,’ although the night has always been theirs.”(I don’t quite know what that means, but it sure sounds selfish of these women to want a whole extra night just for themselves.)
Well, doesn’t he explain this in the sentence before: the night always belonged to women, because they are less likely to be the victims of violent crimes “out there during the night” than men.
the self-described world’s most empathetic man – to write something so seemingly callous?
Isn’t this “Now, mind you, no one has more empathy for his fellow human beings than I do.” not just like “no one knows this better than me”?
Interesting… when can you use this figure of speech and when not?
And might that not even be somewhat ironical because of the “mind you”? Of course I can’t decide that… you have to be a native speaker for such subtleties.
(Evidently some guys haven’t gotten the memo on this.)
Anecdotal evidence… you don’t like that too, quote: “Because there are almost 7 billion people on planet earth, he [Harlan] has been able to find a fair number of such [false rape allegation] stories.”
@fish – Nobody seems to get confused by my posts at the MRM forums where I post. Their posts indicate they are able to comprehend fully the points I was getting across, even if they do not always agree with what I have to say. That is also true of more neutral forums, though once again there seems to be a comprehension gap along ideological lines.
I am all for literary criticism, but it seems that if a feminist finds a long post which is a bit more complex than she’s used too, she just deems it unintelligible and posts something along the lines of:
*reads FF’s comment*
o_O
that’s… about my entire reaction o_O
xD
Which is self-explanatory, or:
I both laughed really hard when FactFinder assumed MRAL was a feminist, and felt bad for MRAL.
Despite me never making such a claim and in fact assumed that it was “MRA Loser”.
It’s enough to put a bad face on feminism.
“the deliberately offensive and equally abstract forms of oral assault”
Oral assault…on the Internet! Hurry, someone call 911!
…Seriously, “oral assault?” Talk about contrived, pseudo-intellectual language. Then again, that’s the majority of MRAs for ya.
FF, I have a job of my own (like most women) and I would rather live in the gutter than be married to someone with the disdain you have for people like me.
You love your blanket statements so much but you can’t back them up. Who here has ever said they hated men, if we are these evil, stupid feminists? Who has blamed all men for anything? You are the one putting an entire sex under an umbrella, you are the one being sexist.
Personally I don’t hate all men, nor do I love them all, I’m pretty neutral towards all men in the way I am to all women. But I do love individual men, and I like having sex with individual men, and hanging out with other men, and being friends with other men, and meeting other men. I just don’t like men LIKE YOU, because you tell lies about people LIKE ME.
I have enough evidence to prove to anyone with half a brain your disdain for women, so here’s your chance to prove that ANY regular poster here who self-identifies as ‘feminist’ has shown ‘misandry’, or expressed ‘sadistic glee’ over ‘hurting anything masculine’.
You give me one shred of evidence and I’ll start taking you more seriously. But don’t blame all men for your shortcomings in the eyes of ‘feminists’.
“…Seriously, “oral assault?” Talk about contrived, pseudo-intellectual language.”
I’m surprised this guy can bear to go on the internet at all if he considers someone telling him he’s wrong online ‘assault’. People have said much worse shit to me online just for existing.
FF, you throw around statements and expect us to take them as fact when we know they are not. And when we choose to mock you instead, you claim it’s simply because we don’t understand your awesome intellect.
So let me just take a moment to debunk something you’ve alleged twice in this thread already. Regarding wages, the higher educated someone is, the more money that person tends to make. Frivolous lawsuits and a person’s status as a feminist has very little bearing when compared to a person’s education level. It’s called a spurious correlation. Look it up.
Damn, Mr. Harlan is deathly afraid of a real debate! I was banned after one (very mild) comment.
Here’s the comment that got me banned (slightly edited; you can still read it in its entirety at the FRS blog):
Mr. Archivist, the reason that black men in our society are disproportionately blamed for sexual assaults is because they are a less privileged, disadvantaged group compared to men in general… Men in general, on the other hand, are more privileged and advantaged in our society than women. It is therefore nonsense to imagine that men in general are in danger of being falsely accused of sexual assault.
From that he gathers that I’m denying that false accusations exist! What a maroon!
Here’s the comment that I tried to leave before I realized that I was banned:
That’s no way to have a reasonable debate, Mr. Harlan! So now you’re saying that it’s reasonable to disproportionately blame black men for sexual assaults? Uh, doesn’t that invalidate your earlier use of the race analogy as an example of unfairness? You can’t have it both ways!
Y’know, I’m pretty sure that plenty of great thinkers have used the word “bogus” in legitimate ways*… it’s a perfectly good word. That plenty of callow youths use it in a different context is neither here nor there. (Here endeth my bogus journey to the False Rape Society, apparently.)
I don’t see why everyone is bothering to respond to FactFinder. He has clearly stated several times that we are all too hormonal to seriously debate with. I think we should respect the way he debates and wait for him to post his bloodwork results showing perfectly balanced hormones before we take him seriously.
How about it, FactFinder? Prove that you’re not all hormonal and irrational. Any test results within the last week will do.
Well, I’m pretty hormonal at the moment (testosterone is a hormone; funny that despite this we men never get hit with the “hormonal” slur)… Mr. Harlan doesn’t know what he’s gotten into here (don’t worry David, I won’t cause trouble in this blog).
Molly Ren, the “freelancing” thing is probably a slap at David Futrelle, but it could just as easily apply to me. 😀 (But I don’t think Mr. Harlan is telepathic, given his obvious lack of ordinary, everyday empathy…)
Okay. I signed up, and am awaiting approval.
Harlan. What a screaming, flailing manchild. he deleted one of my very thought out and intelligent comments because I “insulted him”, and yet he offered me many insults, hysteria among them, when I said something he remotely didn’t like. Up for intellectual rigorous arguments he is not. I then quite calmly accused him of hypocrisy, and he said I was throwing a hissy fit. You know, because I’m a hysterical woman. And then he flounced. On his own blog. I didn’t even think that was possible!
….Also, FF seems to bear remarkable similarities to the rude anon who commented later on the thread there
If FF is thought coherent on MRM blogs, that really doesn’t say much for those blogs.
As they say in literary workshops, “show, don’t tell.”
I have to comment on this because it’s such a stale, frivolous criticism and I hate hate hate it. They limit this one to beginning writers and back-of-magazine writing seminars for a reason. It’s easier for weak writers to succeed by showing than telling, of course, but if you turn that into a reflexive ‘don’t tell,’ well, you’re only shooting yourself in the foot and showing you don’t think particularly hard about your writing.
Shit, I’m reading the Razor’s Edge right now. Maugham can’t get two pages without pausing to tell you all the things a novel can’t really show, but it’s completely effective because he knows how to deploy it.
On top of that your criticizing a blog post that is half direct fucking quotes from the source. What the fuck could be ‘showing’ more than that? It’s like you got your heart set on criticizing David’s writing, but, not knowing anything about the craft of writing (and your convoluted, circular diatribes suggest you don’t spend much time thinking about craft), you pulled the one lame cliche you know straight out of your ass.
Which is a long-winded way of saying you’re a very, very bad writer.
Jumbofish had a comment on FF held in moderation for his use of the “c-word” but it’s up now; scroll up and read!
Pierce Harlan evidently only banned one post by Shora, but his latest comment ends with “thus endeth the debate,” whatever that means.
David, it means he is declaring victory and flouncing out.
It means that he was not happy we challenged him on his own blog at his own invitation so he shut off commenting.
Which is sad because I did want to respond to his claim that I call the cops on guys with their kids. I would call the cops if I saw a guy holding a screaming child and running away while the mother is chasing him yelling “He took my baby!” Cuz then obviously the guy is kidnapping a kid.
Also, he is a great big pansy because he cannot handle honest debate. I have read the blog and he blames women for things that other people do (like a cop who screws up a case, somehow that is her fault even though it was the cop who make an incorrect collar.) So I can see why he would not want to have to face honest debate.
MRAL is not really a loser. A loser would never try to change his behavior and MRAL is-not always succeeding at it but at least he is trying.
Factfinder, now there is a loser.
I mentioned the wall of text because I thought it was a misunderstanding on my part; I have adhd and walls of texts are unreadable for me. I think other people understood it, I think, thats why I brought it up. You don’t need to change your style for my stake, it wouldn’t be much loss to me but I do know a think or two about writing and walls of text in general are a big no no.
I like how you also assume feminists are all female.
@mediumdave…Probably the reason he banned you is your poor attempt at Kafka-trapping. You claim this is what you wrote slightly edited.
“Mr. Archivist, the reason that black men in our society are disproportionately blamed for sexual assaults is because they are a less privileged, disadvantaged group compared to men in general… Men in general, on the other hand, are more privileged and advantaged in our society than women. It is therefore nonsense to imagine that men in general are in danger of being falsely accused of sexual assault.”
In the first half of your statement, “less privileged” is used to denote victimhood. This form of Kafka-trapping gives the status of victimhood as a default starting position. Even if guilty, by being “less privileged” victim status is maintained.
In the second half of your statement, “more privileged” is used to denote oppression. This form of Kafka-trapping gives the status of an oppressor as a default starting position. Even if innocent, by being “more privileged” the guilt of oppression is maintained.
Unfortunately, Kafka-trapping only makes sense in the hallowed echo chamber of feminist thought. Where any thought eminating from the feminist Ivory tower is religeon.
I’ll use myself as an example; I’m a straight white man.
#1) Straight = Heteronormative privilege…strike one
#2) White = Born with white privilege…strike two
#3) Man = Born with male privilege…strike three
According to feminist logic, by being born I am already guilty by default of being an oppressor. Feminist theory is nothing more than mindless scribblings on dice thrown in a canister. Shake the canister, roll the dice and out pops the intersectionality of cis-gendered social constructs in the patriarchal heteronormative kyriarchy. Everyone screams, “Yahtzee” then they lay back and celebrate their own brilliance.
Of course this observation is by a straight while man so be default it’s oppression.
NWOSlave; what the fuck is kafka trapping? I’ve never heard the term in my life, and my understanding of it may be impeded by the fact that I read one novella by Kafka and absolutely hated it.
I think many modern feminist viewpoints are a little black and white when it comes to theories of oppression and privilege, but I also think they are rather accurate to some extent.
@Shora, Kafka-trapping is the ideology of feminism. I was born a straight, white man. I was born guilty of privilege.
Here is the list of Kafka-traps, and there are many variations of them.
Model A Kafka-Trap
Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of sexism confirms that you are guilty of sexism.
Model C Kafka-Trap
Even if you do not feel yourself to be guilty of sexism, you are guilty because you have benefited from the sexist behavior of others in the system.
Model P Kafka-Trap
Even if you do not feel yourself to be guilty of sexism, you are guilty because you have a privileged position in the sexist system.
Model S Kafka-Trap
Skepticism about any particular anecdotal account of sexism, or any attempt to deny that the particular anecdote implies a systemic problem in which you are one of the guilty parties, is itself sufficient to establish your guilt.
Model L Kafka-Trap
Your insistence on applying rational skepticism in evaluating assertions of pervasive sexism itself demonstrates that you are sexist.
Model D Kafka-Trap
The act of demanding a definition of sexism that can be consequentially checked and falsified proves you are sexist.
Model J Kafka-Trap
Even if your innocence is proven in a court of law, this not only confirms your guilt; it also confirms the guilt of the (legal) system that found you innocent.
Feminism has used these and the many variations of Kafka-trapping for so long in their circular thinking it needed a name.
Oh, Slavey, are you unable to go to the FRS and read what I wrote in its entirety? 😀
Well, if you are, here is what Mr. Harlan said that I objected to:
And if you think I’m misrepresenting what he said, Harlan’s comment is still there for you to read.
Now,here is my unedited comment that I made in response:
Harlan protested that “but do you know that blacks commit a disproportionate number of rapes?” which of course invalidated his previous point about the unfairness of that situation, but who’s counting? And he threw in some straw man BS and some (bogus) ad hominem arguments also (y’know if you’re going to argue ad hominem it does help if you know something about the person they are aimed at).
And to top it all off, he got me banned immediately so that I couldn’t answer in that space! What does that suggest to you? To me it suggests a lazy, cowardly fool.
Heres a link.
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122
Heres an exerpt from the link on the trial of Franz Kafka.
My reference, of course, is to Franz Kafka’s “The Trial”, in which the protagonist Josef K. is accused of crimes the nature of which are never actually specified, and enmeshed in a process designed to degrade, humiliate, and destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. The only way out of the trap is for him to acquiesce in his own destruction; indeed, forcing him to that point of acquiescence and the collapse of his will to live as a free human being seems to be the only point of the process, if it has one at all.