Another elevator joke for you all:
So Pierce Harlan of the False Rape Society blog gets into an elevator ….
Well, OK, not a joke. In his latest post, Harlan offers a reaction, of sorts, to the whole atheist elevator incident –- by relating an anecdote of a recent elevator experience of his own.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has now deleted the post in question. It can still be seen, at least for now, in Google’s cache of the original page, which you can find here. Grab screenshots! Back to the story:
Seems he was riding a hotel elevator with a sweet old lady. Neither one said anything to the other (Harlan apparently hates talking to sweet old ladies) but when he got off the elevator – well, let’s let him explain:
I glanced back at her and saw that … she was immobilized with fear. In fact, she was practically cowering in the corner. Her eyes couldn’t have been wider if I had whipped out my dick and lathered it up with Grey Poupon. Hers was the face of utter, unbridled fear, and she was watching me like the scardest of scared deer. She said not a word but her demeanor practically pleaded, “Please don’t rape me, sir!”
Now, Harlan seems to have what you might call a taste for overstatement. He describes feminists as “screeching banshees” and “extremist loons allied with the sexual grievance industry.” I doubt he could describe a chicken-salad sandwich without resorting to angry hyperbole. (That was a little bit of overstatement on my part.) But let’s just assume that there is at least a kernel of truth here: this woman was creeped out by Harlan.
So what was Harlan’s response to this woman’s obvious discomfort?
[N]o one has more empathy for his fellow human beings than I do. The first thought that came to my mind in response to the obvious fear on the face of this pathetic, sweet looking, older woman — who probably never hurt anyone in her entire life — was fuck you!
Obviously we are supposed to ask just what it was that drove Harlan – the self-described world’s most empathetic man – to say something so seemingly callous? Well, as is usually the case with those we write about here, it all comes back to man-hating ladies and their male allies, with their evil insistence on sexual assault education (sorry, “indoctrination”) and their callous demands to “’take back the night,’ although the night has always been theirs.”(I don’t quite know what that means, but it sure sounds selfish of these women to want a whole extra night just for themselves.)
Ours is, Harlan says, “a culture marked by crass, hysterical fear-mongering about male sexual predation and violence.” (Evidently some guys haven’t gotten the memo on this.)
But all this evil misandry seems to have left poor Mr. Harlan in an uncharitable mood towards, well, almost everyone — though he directs his worst opprobrium at sweet old ladies.
Fuck them all. The paranoia of the woman in the elevator is her problem, not mine. Ironically, the elevator, the hotel itself, the car she rode in and the roads she rode on to get to the hotel were all undoubtedly conceived, designed, and built by men — men she’d fear just as much as me if they were standing in that elevator with her. I felt no guilt or shame or bewilderment over the fact that she fears me because of my birth class. Let her fear me. I can’t change it, and I have too much to do to worry about it.
And maybe, just maybe, it’s good that some people fear us. Maybe we should exult in the power we wield by reason of their paranoia. One thing I know: I will never do anything to alleviate their paranoia. In fact, I’m just fine with it, thank you very much. If someday, my riding the elevator causes some old woman to have a heart attack, that, too, is not my problem. Blame it on a culture that I don’t approve of. Blame on sweet looking, older women who give in to the paranoia.
Truly the world’s most empathetic man.
Harlan goes on to talk briefly about the Rebecca Watson elevator incident. Needless to say, he adds nothing interesting to the discussion.
@Molly Ren
You’re right molly, a woman owns her sexuality. If she wants to flaunt it in front of men and then slap them down for not being able to control themselves, She’s right. In fact that might be another thing to teach boys in school, we can have a girls slutty dress up day and as soon as the young boys show any sign of an erection as the girls flaunt their sexuality they get slapped down. Why can’t men control their sexuality? Filthy pigs.
Tell me something, NWO: what has feminism directly prevented you from being or having?
@ Molly Ren
Shorter NWO: “Ooh, I’m so dirty. Men are so filthy. Mmmm, yeah, tell me I’m dirty! Make fun of my boner!”
@summer_snow
I wish I had Feminist Regulation silky clothes. Thats one of the things we feminists are trying to de-gender. Men should be ably to wear frilly dresses in public without being shamed. And if some stupid misogynist does shame them we want men to be able to cry like a two year old without being ashamed to show real emotions.
So, NWO, according to you, there’s no difference between being sexually aroused and raping someone?
I want to see the look on a lawyer’s face when Harlan tries to explain his libel case.
“So… they made unflattering comments about you-”
“about my blog.”
“… on another blog-”
“mostly in the comments.”
“…”
“…”
“get the fuck out.”
Men should be ably to wear frilly dresses in public without being shamed.
Um, yes?
Your misandry is showing, honey.
Marc: But put the prevalence issue aside: why must every discussion of false rape claims with you people always to come back to “rape is a worse problem.” Assuming for the sake of argument that’s true: SO WHAT? Does that make false rape claims unworthy of discussion?
Not at all. What false rape claims don’t do is invalidate legitimate rape claims. Take a look at what is actually said here (and in the feminist blogoshere) about rape. No on is saying that all claims of rape are valid on their face. What we are saying is the prevalence issue (which is the core of things like the FRS) does matter. That worrying about false rape allegations is less important than worrying about actual rape becuase the one is far more common than the other.
It people claiming to be militating about false rape accusations weren’t conflating poor investigation of real rapes, or the acquital of real rapists, with accusations of false rape they would be far more able to get feminist support; because that aspect of things is a feminist issue.
But that’s not what they do. You, for example, either don’t take the time to do the research, or choose to lie about it.
The fuller quotation (which took all of two minutes to find. The paper is available online Rape, Feminism, and the War on Crime read thus:
So, she says the variability of the ways in which false rape is reported makes it impossible to assess. She doesn’t say false rape accusations are a large problem. She goes on to argue the ways in which the media, and the legal system, deal with real rapes makes it seem that false rape is more prevalent than it is.
So, in short, you’ve turned her argument 180 from it’s meaning. Interestingly, when I put the citation you gave into Google, all I got was two pages of False Rape and MRA site making exactly the same use of it (and two included the odd, “(citation omitted)”, which was wrong, because that was a citation.
That leads me to believe you weren’t, actively, mendacious merely intellectually lazy; but then again I am a charitable sort.
Johnny Pez, is that really your name? Seriously?
“Harlan, the whole point of your blog is to set standards of evidence for rape so high that no rape victim could meet them.Your ultimate goal is to make it easier for men to rape women by making it harder for the courts to convict rapists.”
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, you think you’ve got me pegged.
Tell me, Johnny boy, do you think there should be a subjective standard for determining consent? (I am sure you know this, but consent is determined from the perspective of the alleged wrongdoer). A lot of states do. I don’t. That’s a pretty fucking liberal position to take, Johnny. The standard everywhere should be, would a reasonable person in his shoes have understand she assented to sex? (Reasonable = objective standard.)
You also probably think I favor repealing the rape shield laws (I do not) and allowing men to have sex with women who are substantially impaired by alcohol (I certainly do not).
Tell me one specific evidentiary point that you think I’m wrong about, and let’s discuss it. If I see the errors of my ways, I will even change my position.
And, no, Johnny, I won’t sue your ass off. You are most likely a minor with no assets.
Well welcome to feminism NWOslave. I hope it all works out for you. What was it that convinced you work towards an egalitarian society?
@Holly Pervocracy
Cause thats inportant equality stuff, men in dresses. If only those stupid misogynits could see how the patriarchy hurts men too, then they would join us in our great cause.
Maybe we could have a mandatory boys in dresses day at school. To help the break the gender box the patriarchy has caged them in.
@Fatman
Cause feminism is never wrong, thx for the welcome. Men should always listen to women. Awaiting instructions. Oh how I love those shirts.
NWO, is there a difference between being sexually aroused and raping someone? I’m a feminist and I contend that there’s a huge difference between the two. You claim to be a Men’s Rights Activist -or at least of supporter of the movement- and you appear to be saying that there is no difference.
Is there a difference?
Wow… it’s still going xD
NWO making fun of us is hilarious xD “men should be able to wear frilly clothes.. and cry!”
um… yes? o_O Now if he said “men should be able to wear frilly clothes.. and cry… and to help facilitate that, we’ll cut off their penises!” that would be more over the top…. or that men must wear frilly clothes and cry… xD
what’s wrong w/ men feeling like they can cry if they want? or wear frilly clothes? 😀 They can be like pirates! 😀
I wonder if somebody told NWO to stop talking now. Would his faux persona act then obligate him to stop, or would he then violate it by talking, or would he go right back to regular NWO? xD
NWOslave | July 19, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@Molly Ren
You’re right molly, a woman owns her sexuality. If she wants to flaunt it in front of men and then slap them down for not being able to control themselves, She’s right. In fact that might be another thing to teach boys in school, we can have a girls slutty dress up day and as soon as the young boys show any sign of an erection as the girls flaunt their sexuality they get slapped down. Why can’t men control their sexuality? Filthy pigs.
See now that’s more like it.. (altho is he saying that men rape b/c they can’t control themselves? o_O)
he’s going from what feminists believe to an extreme parody which is THEREFORE WE SHOULD FORCE GIRLS TO DRESS “SLUTTY” AND IF BOYS HAVE AN ERECTION THEY WILL BE SLAPPED DOWN xD
Harlan: Good luck with that libel suit. Here’s my prediction: You can’t find a lawyer to take it.
Why? Because you can’t afford it, up front, and you won’t find one with enough confidence in your victory to do it on contingency.
Times v Sullivan baby. You have made yourself a public figure in this field, and even if the ways in which you misrepresent the facts (see my comment to Marc re the use of Aya Gruber’s paper, which your blog misrepresents, more than once), weren’t enough to make her claim strong enough to be defensible, your decision to make yourself a player has limited the scope of your ability to charge libel for comments which are topical to your role.
So, having decided to engage in the rough and tumble of public debate on a hot topic, you have to suck it up and accept that people will say things which are unflattering about your opinions.
Can we do requests? 😀 Like we can ask NWO to pretend to be what he believes different beliefs are… and give him topics xD
Like… pretend to be a M Andrea type radfem talking about trans men NWO! 😀
(it also helps us understand how he sees things and what he believes ppl believe (if somewhat extreme parodies) 😀 which he’s ALWAYS so circumspect about, and this is helping so much xD I hope he does this more )
also
That’s fucking libelous, Ren.
o_O it is?
@Pecunium: I was certain that quote misrepresented the paper but didn’t have time at the moment to look it up. Thanks. And of course now that I’ve seen the paper, I found the omitted citation I was asking Harlan about. This is gonna shock you, I’m sure. but it just makes things worse for him.
The Legacy of the Prompt Complaint Requirement, Corroboration
Requirement, and Cautionary Instructions on Campus Sexual Assault
http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=villanovalwps&sei-redir=1#search=%22Legacy%20Prompt%20Complaint%20Requirement%2C%20Corroboration%20Requirement%2C%20Cautionary%20Instructions%20Campus%20Sexual%20Assault%22
How much worse? Here’s a teaser from the first couple of paragraphs.
The Biblical tale of Potiphar’s wife stands as a warning to the criminal justice
system. It is one nightmare about rape: a spurned woman seeks revenge by falsely
accusing an innocent man. This nightmare terrifies because of the helplessness of the
weak male—in this case, a Jewish servant—and the fear of a justice system governed by
the emotions of an irrational woman.
There is another nightmare about rape, of course, one that recurs in waking life: a
man rapes a woman or girl he knows, taking advantage of her proximity and vulnerability
to satisfy a cruel desire for sexual dominance. Rape, the fear of which terrifies most
women at some point in their lives, is dreadful enough. But then the legal bad dream
begins. In great pain, the rape victim tells of her assault to police, prosecutors, judges,
and jurors, but no one believes her. They suspect either that she fabricated the experience
because she wanted it or that she caused it by her own bad behavior. This nightmare
should also stand as a warning to the criminal justice system, but we have no notorious
parables, retold from ancient times, to sear it into our collective unconscious. As a result the criminal justice system has not reacted to the cynical disbelief many feel toward rape
victims who muster the courage to come forward with the truth.
By contrast, the criminal justice system has overreacted to infamous anecdotes of men falsely accused. Three particular rules, designed to prevent irrational women from
succeeding in levying false rape charges, arose in English common law.
@Nobinayamu
A woman can do what ever she wants, she has agency.
So you can’t even answer the question in a dishonest fashion? Going to go right for the dodge?
I don’t blame you. If my opinion of men was so low that I equated sexual arousal with sexual assault, I wouldn’t want to confirm it.
Pecunium, all due respect, a little friendly advice: you write with the stick-up-her-ass pretensions of a Womyn’s Studies major. You ought to try writing like a human being. And try to understand that your world view is one not shared in the real world, or even in other departments at your college.
First, “citation omitted” is very common in legal writing — as here, the prof. I cited was quoting, with approval, another source. You need to see the actual law review article.
Second, “It people claiming to be militating about false rape accusations weren’t conflating poor investigation of real rapes, or the acquital of real rapists, with accusations of false rape they would be far more able to get feminist support; because that aspect of things is a feminist issue.”
You are so full of shit (pretentious shit, at that) it isn’t even funny. A rape claim should only be declared “false” when law enforcement is damn sure about it. Not “he said/she said.” Not merely unfounded (which is where it can’t be proven and everyone should walk away with hers AND his reputations intact). Recantations should not always be believed, and D.A.s and courts often reject them. That’s my position, but I don’t see feminists flocking to my site.
Third: “So, in short, you’ve turned her argument 180 from it’s meaning.” I absolutely did not. What on earth are you smoking? I quoted her for the prevalence issue — no one knows the exact percentage. That’s what she said.
If you actually read what I said, I wasn’t making the point that false rape claims are more prevalent than legitimate rape claims. I was making the very point you are proving: every time I talk about false rape claims, you all have to tell me that they are not a problem. Thanks, on behalf of all the falsely accused guys who frequent my site. Very reassuring.
This isn’t going anywhere, because you people think you know more than you do, and are not at all receptive to any other position. The discussion of rape is like a religion to you — too much emotion, not enough rationality.
@Sharculese
That is beautiful and sooo true. Men have always used rape as a means to sexual dominance. And then blamed the woman, the victim.
I don’t know who wrote that inspirational piece but it should be hung in every classroom so every young boy will know their reign of terror is over.
P.S. Pecunium, I can file suit on-line myself in a half hour. That’s what we do for a living, my dear. You are right: I couldn’t afford my fee, if I had to pay me.
I really liked this, from the “Kafka Trap”