Another elevator joke for you all:
So Pierce Harlan of the False Rape Society blog gets into an elevator ….
Well, OK, not a joke. In his latest post, Harlan offers a reaction, of sorts, to the whole atheist elevator incident –- by relating an anecdote of a recent elevator experience of his own.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has now deleted the post in question. It can still be seen, at least for now, in Google’s cache of the original page, which you can find here. Grab screenshots! Back to the story:
Seems he was riding a hotel elevator with a sweet old lady. Neither one said anything to the other (Harlan apparently hates talking to sweet old ladies) but when he got off the elevator – well, let’s let him explain:
I glanced back at her and saw that … she was immobilized with fear. In fact, she was practically cowering in the corner. Her eyes couldn’t have been wider if I had whipped out my dick and lathered it up with Grey Poupon. Hers was the face of utter, unbridled fear, and she was watching me like the scardest of scared deer. She said not a word but her demeanor practically pleaded, “Please don’t rape me, sir!”
Now, Harlan seems to have what you might call a taste for overstatement. He describes feminists as “screeching banshees” and “extremist loons allied with the sexual grievance industry.” I doubt he could describe a chicken-salad sandwich without resorting to angry hyperbole. (That was a little bit of overstatement on my part.) But let’s just assume that there is at least a kernel of truth here: this woman was creeped out by Harlan.
So what was Harlan’s response to this woman’s obvious discomfort?
[N]o one has more empathy for his fellow human beings than I do. The first thought that came to my mind in response to the obvious fear on the face of this pathetic, sweet looking, older woman — who probably never hurt anyone in her entire life — was fuck you!
Obviously we are supposed to ask just what it was that drove Harlan – the self-described world’s most empathetic man – to say something so seemingly callous? Well, as is usually the case with those we write about here, it all comes back to man-hating ladies and their male allies, with their evil insistence on sexual assault education (sorry, “indoctrination”) and their callous demands to “’take back the night,’ although the night has always been theirs.”(I don’t quite know what that means, but it sure sounds selfish of these women to want a whole extra night just for themselves.)
Ours is, Harlan says, “a culture marked by crass, hysterical fear-mongering about male sexual predation and violence.” (Evidently some guys haven’t gotten the memo on this.)
But all this evil misandry seems to have left poor Mr. Harlan in an uncharitable mood towards, well, almost everyone — though he directs his worst opprobrium at sweet old ladies.
Fuck them all. The paranoia of the woman in the elevator is her problem, not mine. Ironically, the elevator, the hotel itself, the car she rode in and the roads she rode on to get to the hotel were all undoubtedly conceived, designed, and built by men — men she’d fear just as much as me if they were standing in that elevator with her. I felt no guilt or shame or bewilderment over the fact that she fears me because of my birth class. Let her fear me. I can’t change it, and I have too much to do to worry about it.
And maybe, just maybe, it’s good that some people fear us. Maybe we should exult in the power we wield by reason of their paranoia. One thing I know: I will never do anything to alleviate their paranoia. In fact, I’m just fine with it, thank you very much. If someday, my riding the elevator causes some old woman to have a heart attack, that, too, is not my problem. Blame it on a culture that I don’t approve of. Blame on sweet looking, older women who give in to the paranoia.
Truly the world’s most empathetic man.
Harlan goes on to talk briefly about the Rebecca Watson elevator incident. Needless to say, he adds nothing interesting to the discussion.
Let’s start with the obvious. Put aside the prevalence of false rape claims. (I note in passing that a leading feminist legal scholar — whose views I certainly don’t share up and down the line — has acknowledged this irrefutable fact: “. . . the statistics on false rape accusation widely vary and ‘as a scientific matter, the frequency of false rape complaints to police or other legal authorities remains unknown.’” A. Gruber, Rape, Feminism, and the War on Crime, 84 Wash. L. Rev. 581, 595-600 (November 2009) (citation omitted)). (Please don’t cite me the 2007 DOJ “study” that was conducted based on self-selection.)
Hold up, so you cite a paper that concludes we have no idea if there is a significant false rape problem and you that that helps your claim? Are you sniffing glue?
Was the internal cite omitted when you found that quote? Did you look for the original source?
@Holly Pervocracy
Holly you’re giving the misogynists too much leeway. Only the woman in question can decide if she was too drunk for consent. If she decides she was too drunk after two beers she was. No if ands or buts. It’s her choice to decide.
“But put the prevalence issue aside: why must every discussion of false rape claims with you people always to come back to “rape is a worse problem.” Assuming for the sake of argument that’s true: SO WHAT? Does that make false rape claims unworthy of discussion? Seriously? So cancer’s worse than pneumonia, does that mean pneumonia is unworthy of discussion? It seems every time a radical feminist discusses false rape claims, she becomes an actuarial. False rape claims, she suggests, are an acceptable risk not worthy of anyone’s discussion because there are so few of them and because there are so many actual rapes — especially of the unreported variety. “I’ll start to become concerned about false rape claims,” she gushes, “when false rape claims become half the problem rape is.””
Uh, I don’t think pneumonia vs. cancer is a good analogy here. “You got cancer? WHAT ABOUT MY FUCKING COLD? WHY DON’T YOU HAVE ANY SYMPATHY FOR ME, YOU HEARTLESS BITCH???”
@Nobinayamu
Prior experience with sex is irrelevant. This is just the kind of excuse men use in justifying rape. A woman drinking is never fame game. One drink or twenty drinks doesn’t matter. When she sobers up it’s her decision to make if she’s been raped or not.
Holly you’re giving the misogynists too much leeway. Only the woman in question can decide if she was too drunk for consent. If she decides she was too drunk after two beers she was. No if ands or buts. It’s her choice to decide.
Well, yes, actually.
If a woman can’t choose if she consents–or can’t tell better than any other person if she was consenting–what the fuck would consent even mean?
Marc: Elsewhere you complain about selective quotation. Sadly you can’t even manage that when you misrepresent a position.
The original poster said that men in general have nothing to fear about false allegations because of their privilege (of course he gave no evidence for this claim). I now gave an counterexample where privilege failed to protect someone.
You did no such thing. One case doesn’t prove that, “men in general have nothing to fear”. It shows that in one case (out of how many?) a false accusation led to a miscarriage of justice.
This, If you make the claim “men in general have nothing to fear about false allegations” a single anecdote (or better: counterexample) is enough to disprove this claim. is not true.
In general /= never Example, In general people who play craps lose to the house. Pointing out that someone won a lot of money in Vegas playing craps doesn’t invalidate it. Vegas, in fact, boasts of all the people who have made a big win. It’s how they get other people to come in and gabmle, because, in general people who come to Vegas lose.
Like anyone, ever, got a guy convicted of rape because she had one drink, anyway.
I’ll believe cases of forcible rape where she’d been drinking, but I think the specter of the “she can tell a judge she had one beer and he’ll send me to the gulag!” is actually a complete nonissue.
Maybe I’m missing something here. Is the slaveman really trying to argue that children shouldn’t be taught to listen to what other people tell them? Like, when a kid tells another kid to stop hitting, the life lesson should be “fuck that noise”? Or that boys, in particular, should be taught not to listen to girls? What?
Pierce: I would LOVE to hear your qualifications and experience in rape, victims rights, and CJ. I know you write a blog about what you claim are false rape accusations. Anything else?
@Molly Ren
Strawmen and Ad Hominem, thats all MRAs do. They’ll make up any excuse to excuse men continually raping women. Women don’t lie about being raped.
Holly Pervocracy | July 19, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Like anyone, ever, got a guy convicted of rape because she had one drink, anyway.
Actually that’s what feminists like to call “a fun Saturday night” xD
NWOslave, you do know that alcohol tolerance can vary by person, right? I try not to make any serious decisions after about 4 drinks, for other people it’s something like 10.
Harlan, all kidding aside, the argument you’re making isn’t so much a problem because we have no sympathy for people who have been falsely accused of a crime. It’s that whenever rape is brought up, you bring up false accusations as if all rape charges were false. They’re not. The equivalent of a man being falsely accused of a crime is a woman being falsely accused of a crime, not a false accusation being equivalent to a rape.
Also, what if a man is raped? It happens. How does this fit into your worldview?
@Holly Pervocracy
And isn’t it a travesty of justice that a woman has to be practically dead from alchohol poisoning and then maybe the rapist will get locked up. We need more laws that take into account if the woman felt too intoxicated to give enthusiastic consent.
@Bee
Boys should be taught to always listen to girls. It’s in a boys best interest to listen to girls.
NWO, SAY WHAT YOU FUCKING MEAN.
I’m not going to respond to any more “mwah mwah, this is what you sound like, you just go mwah mwah all the time” bullshit.
If you don’t start stating at least sometimes what your actual beliefs are, I’m done talking to you.
@NWOslave, I’ve been to “dry” parties where people hook up WITHOUT ALCOHOL. Orgies, even! We were all sober!
If you’re so worried about this, find a non-alcoholic way to pick up women. Then you never have to worry about someone being too drunk to consent properly. Simple!
Dig deeper, dipshit. And play straw feminist all you want; you aren’t refuting my beliefs. There are, undoubtedly, people who disagree with my position but I do not think that any level of alcohol consumption prevents consensual sex.
You’re such a bitter hypocrite. You’ve made dozens of posts on this blog about women behaving immodestly. “Slutting it up like hookers” in bars; fourteen year old girls at the beach “shaking it like pros.” I could pull up your direct quotes in 45 seconds. Your disgusting sandwich analogy. The thread where you piled on your fake sympathy, cautioning women about the way we dress because you “care” about sexual assault.
But let someone suggest that, as with rape, there is no absolute protection from false accusations, only things that might -MIGHT- minimize the risk and you can’t engage in an honest discussion.
Okay, I know I’m going to regret this, but I want to hear the sandwich analogy.
A women walking in front of a lot of men is like waving a sandwich in front of a lot of starving homeless people. The women can only blame herself for what happens next.
welp, I said I’d regret it
Whoops. A “woman”, even.
What always struck me about NWOslave’s analogies is that he thinks all women are hot. Does he just not care or is he unaware of fat women, who are usually considered “not hot” by MRAs? He also seems to think we all enjoy wearing silky clothes and perfume. A straight lady who doesn’t have a lot of patience for “femme” skills doesn’t seem to exist for him either.
Ren said: “It’s that whenever rape is brought up, you bring up false accusations as if all rape charges were false.”
That’s fucking libelous, Ren.
“They’re not.”
Damn right, they’re not. Rape is a problem. False rape claims are a problem. Apples and oranges.
“The equivalent of a man being falsely accused of a crime is a woman being falsely accused of a crime, not a false accusation being equivalent to a rape.”
Thanks for proving my point, Ren. Two different crimes. Then why is it that every time I bring up false rape claims, some feminist insists on changing the subject to talk about a completely different crime — rape?
“Also, what if a man is raped? It happens. How does this fit into your worldview?”
The same as when a woman is raped: awful. How about you?
I know you think you have me pegged as a rape apologist because I have the audacity to advocate for a group of people people like you insist are a myth, but that’s your problem, Ren.
As Sally Strange likes to point out, NWOslave is basically a dishonest person. So, no need to ask why he believes X or disbelieves Y. His beliefs are irrelevant, because he never actually says what he believes.
Gee, why so harsh? I’m just batting for team-woman.
I mean c’mon if any of you said, “And isn’t it a travesty of justice that a woman has to be practically dead from alchohol poisoning and then maybe the rapist will get locked up. We need more laws that take into account if the woman felt too intoxicated to give enthusiastic consent.”
Which is what I just said, which is pretty much what all of you have said, if not here in the past. Why you’d be bleeting with joy and gushing over each other.
I mean how many times have I heard women die lie about rape. Or white male privilege. Or a drunk woman isn’t a lisence to rape. On and on it goes.
I bat for team woman now. You’ve all convinced me of the error of my ways. Men should always listen to women. Cause women know the difference between right and wrong, who has privilege, schrodingers rapist, intersectionality, gender binaries.
It all sound so progressive, I just want to be part of the winning team.
Wow, I’ve never had a point proven so quickly before.
Enjoying pretending to be a feminist, NWO? It’s fun, isn’t it? Are you wearing your Feminist Regulation silky clothes and perfume? Remember, if it isn’t typed with flawlessly manicured fingers, it isn’t Feminist!
Harlan, the whole point of your blog is to set standards of evidence for rape so high that no rape victim could meet them. Your ultimate goal is to make it easier for men to rape women by making it harder for the courts to convict rapists.
Have I just libelled you? Then go ahead and sue my ass.