Another elevator joke for you all:
So Pierce Harlan of the False Rape Society blog gets into an elevator ….
Well, OK, not a joke. In his latest post, Harlan offers a reaction, of sorts, to the whole atheist elevator incident –- by relating an anecdote of a recent elevator experience of his own.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has now deleted the post in question. It can still be seen, at least for now, in Google’s cache of the original page, which you can find here. Grab screenshots! Back to the story:
Seems he was riding a hotel elevator with a sweet old lady. Neither one said anything to the other (Harlan apparently hates talking to sweet old ladies) but when he got off the elevator – well, let’s let him explain:
I glanced back at her and saw that … she was immobilized with fear. In fact, she was practically cowering in the corner. Her eyes couldn’t have been wider if I had whipped out my dick and lathered it up with Grey Poupon. Hers was the face of utter, unbridled fear, and she was watching me like the scardest of scared deer. She said not a word but her demeanor practically pleaded, “Please don’t rape me, sir!”
Now, Harlan seems to have what you might call a taste for overstatement. He describes feminists as “screeching banshees” and “extremist loons allied with the sexual grievance industry.” I doubt he could describe a chicken-salad sandwich without resorting to angry hyperbole. (That was a little bit of overstatement on my part.) But let’s just assume that there is at least a kernel of truth here: this woman was creeped out by Harlan.
So what was Harlan’s response to this woman’s obvious discomfort?
[N]o one has more empathy for his fellow human beings than I do. The first thought that came to my mind in response to the obvious fear on the face of this pathetic, sweet looking, older woman — who probably never hurt anyone in her entire life — was fuck you!
Obviously we are supposed to ask just what it was that drove Harlan – the self-described world’s most empathetic man – to say something so seemingly callous? Well, as is usually the case with those we write about here, it all comes back to man-hating ladies and their male allies, with their evil insistence on sexual assault education (sorry, “indoctrination”) and their callous demands to “’take back the night,’ although the night has always been theirs.”(I don’t quite know what that means, but it sure sounds selfish of these women to want a whole extra night just for themselves.)
Ours is, Harlan says, “a culture marked by crass, hysterical fear-mongering about male sexual predation and violence.” (Evidently some guys haven’t gotten the memo on this.)
But all this evil misandry seems to have left poor Mr. Harlan in an uncharitable mood towards, well, almost everyone — though he directs his worst opprobrium at sweet old ladies.
Fuck them all. The paranoia of the woman in the elevator is her problem, not mine. Ironically, the elevator, the hotel itself, the car she rode in and the roads she rode on to get to the hotel were all undoubtedly conceived, designed, and built by men — men she’d fear just as much as me if they were standing in that elevator with her. I felt no guilt or shame or bewilderment over the fact that she fears me because of my birth class. Let her fear me. I can’t change it, and I have too much to do to worry about it.
And maybe, just maybe, it’s good that some people fear us. Maybe we should exult in the power we wield by reason of their paranoia. One thing I know: I will never do anything to alleviate their paranoia. In fact, I’m just fine with it, thank you very much. If someday, my riding the elevator causes some old woman to have a heart attack, that, too, is not my problem. Blame it on a culture that I don’t approve of. Blame on sweet looking, older women who give in to the paranoia.
Truly the world’s most empathetic man.
Harlan goes on to talk briefly about the Rebecca Watson elevator incident. Needless to say, he adds nothing interesting to the discussion.
You seem to refuse the idea that you’re treated differently and better because you were born male. You turn the advantages you have into disadvantages by pretending that anything you see or hear about or read about anywhere that you think treats women better is both universally observed and never counterbalanced or overbalanced by something that treats women worse.
How can we prove the existence of privilege, rigorously? I mean really prove it?
Okay, you get difference between a single anecdote and a phenomenon, right? You’re just dishonest, not actively ignorant?
What happened to the young men at Hofstra was wrong.
But. It made the news because it’s MAN BITES DOG. Most reported rapes really happened. Many aren’t even reported and the ones that are don’t always result in charges made against anyone, let alone convictions.
Also, if having sex with several men wasn’t considered slutty, if the woman’s boyfriend didn’t think of her as his property, then she wouldn’t have had a motivation to lie.
@Sharculese, that would be a variant of Kafka-Trap Model C
Model C Kafka-Trap
Even if you do not feel yourself to be guilty of sexism, you are guilty because you have benefited from the sexist behavior of others in the system.
But all that aside I decided to bat for Team-Woman, Woohoo. Cause Team-Woman is never wrong in case you haven’t noticed. So this’ll be my first of many rants batting for Team-Woman which I’ll direct at Marc and Pierce Harlan.
Women don’t lie about rape. There is never any reason a woman would do that and even if it did happen it doesn’t mean all women are potential false rape accusers. However, men do rape. Therefore every man can concievably rape, thats why women are afraid of strange men. You just can’t understand because of the privilege you take for granted by being a male.
Excellent point, oldfeminist. False allegations, while rare, are almost always made in fear rather than because of malicious or delusional thinking on the part of the accuser.
Well, folks, there’s always someone wrong on the Internet, but I’m tired, and have actual (freelance) work to do if I want to eat… and there’s a little black cat who wants my attention (what a slut he is 😉 ) Looks like you good people have this covered…
You’re on the money, NWO–all women are potential false rape accusers. (Not that all women would, but as far as you know, any particular woman could.)
This is why men should protect themselves by avoiding doing anything with women that could be interpreted as rape, such as having sex with her when she’s intoxicated, having sex with her when you can tell she doesn’t really want it, or having sex with her and then treating her like shit.
These steps are not foolproof, (and of course, giving prevention advice does not excuse making false rape accusations, which is wrong) but they’ll help!
I’m assuming Harlan is back because he banned everyone who disagreed with him on his own blog.
@oldfeminist
You are most definitely correct. In the Hofstra case she was a victim of male privilege built into the patriarchal society we live in. If she hadn’t been concerned about being slut-shamed for expressing her sexual agency. If only the stupid misogynist men could see how the patriarchy hurts them as well, and how feminism wants to break down those gender roles. There was only one victim in the Hofstra case; the girl was a victim of patriarchy.
So basically… in between yesterday and today, NWO read
http://gynotheory.blogspot.com/2011/02/false-consciousness-kafka-trapping.html
that xD
but he can’t even give credit to them xD (unless we’ve just discovered his first name xD )
Some women do lie about rape. And it doesn’t mean that all women (or men for that matter) who are raped are lying. It means that they could be lying.
The easiest way to avoid being accused of rape is not to rape anyone. I don’t know what the easiest way to avoid being falsely accused of rape is.
My best guy friend in the world, however, has what he calls a list of ways to “minimize the risk.” It’s a quaint little talk he gave his brothers, the younger guys in his neighborhood who asked him for advice about women and sex. He gave the talk to two of my younger cousins; just about every teenage boy who starts, or would like to start, fucking.
There are some things about about it that give me pause, but I can’t deny that it seems to resonate with the target audience.
Privilege isn’t a magic wand that automatically fixes every situation in the privilege holder’s favor. That’s silly and nobody says that.
The original poster said that men in general have nothing to fear about false allegations because of their privilege (of course he gave no evidence for this claim). I now gave an counterexample where privilege failed to protect someone.
It’s a set of advantages and built in social biases that tend to bend situations in to his advantage. It’s also not something you can argue against using cherry-picked anecdotes.
Cherry-picked anecdotes? Well, ok, and what’s your evidence for the existence of this privilege? Of course not cherry-picked anecdotes, statistics please!
You made the claim, you have the burden of proof.
And come the fuck on, you’re a big boy, stop with the scare quotes. If you had swapped out accuser for “victim” everyone would have understood what your were saying.
I don’t understand a word. Somehow you’re offended that I put “victim” in quotes and didn’t use the word accuser? Is that right? Is that you problem? So if you need an explanation for this, here: I translated some of the first sentences from a German article where the word “vermeintlich” was used, that’s difficult to translate, so I just put “victim” in quotes.
You mean Silly just discovered a new concept to misrepresent? He must be in heaven.
@Holly Pervocracy
You’re right Holly, men use alchohol as a drug to satiate their predatory ways. Always thinking it’s their right to have ownership of a womans pussy. Get her drunk and fuck her, then cry poor me, she was asking for it. Filthy they are.
I’m also going to disagree with MediumDave, tentatively. I think that there are a lot of different reasons for false rape allegations, but I’d need to see some sort of study that provides evidence that most are made out of fear.
Okay, you get difference between a single anecdote and a phenomenon, right? You’re just dishonest, not actively ignorant?
If you make the claim “men in general have nothing to fear about false allegations” a single anecdote (or better: counterexample) is enough to disprove this claim.
The OP sounded like men have a privilege like Frenchmen had in the French colonies where it was virtually impossible for the native population to get justice.
@Nobinayamu
Thats great, all boys should be taught from a very young age to listen to girls. If only we could get the State involved and have the schools to teach boys at a very young age to listen to girls. It would be in every mans best interest to listen to girls. Everyone should always listen to girls.
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, NWO, I’m just letting you know–the drunker the girl is when you fuck her, the worse your odds of having to deal with a rape accusation.
Maybe you’ll just have to take some personal responsibility for avoiding those.
Everyone should always listen to girls.
Sometimes NWO’s sarcasm (which, by the way, NWO, makes it very difficult to tell what you believe–as I’ve said before, you can’t convince people to take your point of view if you never state your point of view!) wraps around full circle.
Yes, NWO, I’m pretty sure they should. What on Earth would be the opposite of that?
NWO, you are so fucking stupid. The person giving that talk is a guy. He’s my best guy friend. He’s a heterosexual man who likes the ladies, a whole lot, and gives the talk to other, younger men in the hopes that it will help them avoid trouble.
@Holly Pervocracy
No man should ever have sex with a woman if she has been drinking. It’s his responsibility to ensure she isn’t taken advantage of. She might have not had sex with him if she wasn’t drinking, so if she wakes up the next morning hopefully she’ll realize she was raped. Men do not have the right to a womans body.
@Marc – No, a single anecdote isn’t the response to a claim that something happens “in general.” In general implies there are exceptions. That’s it’s, y’know meaning. If the claim was ‘no man ever has anything to fear from false rape accusations’ you might have a case, but you don’t even claim someone said that, you’re just forcing a more convenient meaning that isn’t there.
And if you weren’t using scare quotes, then welp, I was wrong and I’m sorry.
@Nobinayamu
He’s doing a fine service to those young men telling them to listen to girls. However if young boys were taught starting grade 1 to listen to girls he wouldn’t have to give talks.
Old Feminist said this: “Most reported rapes really happened. Many aren’t even reported and the ones that are don’t always result in charges made against anyone, let alone convictions.”
Since you are a self-proclaimed feminist, you obviously know more about rape than those of us who follow it closely. And I am sure that, somehow, you’ve had far more valid life experiences than the rest of us. Um, right.
Your comment is offensive on so many levels, I don’t know where to begin. I don’t have time to go into detail, so here’s a quick response.
Let’s start with the obvious. Put aside the prevalence of false rape claims. (I note in passing that a leading feminist legal scholar — whose views I certainly don’t share up and down the line — has acknowledged this irrefutable fact: “. . . the statistics on false rape accusation widely vary and ‘as a scientific matter, the frequency of false rape complaints to police or other legal authorities remains unknown.'” A. Gruber, Rape, Feminism, and the War on Crime, 84 Wash. L. Rev. 581, 595-600 (November 2009) (citation omitted)). (Please don’t cite me the 2007 DOJ “study” that was conducted based on self-selection.)
But put the prevalence issue aside: why must every discussion of false rape claims with you people always to come back to “rape is a worse problem.” Assuming for the sake of argument that’s true: SO WHAT? Does that make false rape claims unworthy of discussion? Seriously? So cancer’s worse than pneumonia, does that mean pneumonia is unworthy of discussion? It seems every time a radical feminist discusses false rape claims, she becomes an actuarial. False rape claims, she suggests, are an acceptable risk not worthy of anyone’s discussion because there are so few of them and because there are so many actual rapes — especially of the unreported variety. “I’ll start to become concerned about false rape claims,” she gushes, “when false rape claims become half the problem rape is.” Or, more likely, when she has a son who is falsely accused. And trust me, I’ve seen that latter. In short, your suggestion is as absurd as it is morally grotesque.
Let’s move on to your next point: “Also, if having sex with several men wasn’t considered slutty, if the woman’s boyfriend didn’t think of her as his property, then she wouldn’t have had a motivation to lie.”
First, what evidence do you have that the false accuser’s boyfriend thought of her as his property, aside from your serene ipse dixit? Oh, I know: he’s a male, so he MUST have thought of his new girlfriend as his property.
Well, at least you are up-front with your misandry.
Second, on behalf of the false accuser, you’ve manufactured a handy excuse for the Hofstra false accuser. Your epiphany is, of course, unworthy of serious consideration because it would tend to absolve false rape accusers of personal responsibility for their malefactions and enshroud them in the garb of victimhood. Just as feminists are quick to condemn any suggestion that men are “too weak” to avoid raping (and they are absolutely correct), women must not be excused for destroying lives with rape lies merely because their boyfriends might be unhappy if they find out their girlfriends are boinking four guys at one time on a dirty men’s room floor!
Both men AND women have the capacity to avoid committing terrible crimes, and it is a hallmark of a civilized society that people are held accountable when they fail to do so. By any measure, the Hofstra false accuser was cheating on her boyfriend in a nasty way — there is no other way to spin it — and she was rightfully ashamed for doing that. So she lied to cover it up. One of the victims of the false rape accusation was also rightfully ashamed that he was outed in cheating on his girlfriend on that dirty men’s room floor.
Women’s groups have rightfully insisted for decades that women are at least as capable as the guys in every sphere of life — in the law, medicine, the military, government, you name it. Everywhere — except the boudoir, where it’s 1950 all over again, all the time, and women are as helpless as the most distressed of Disney damsels.
You can’t pretend you are empowering our daughters by telling them they are powerless, or that they are the imaginary “property” of men they’ve only been dating for just a few weeks, as in Hofstra. The Hofstra false accuser was the author of her own discontent, not her boyfriend.
No man should ever have sex with a woman if she has been drinking. It’s his responsibility to ensure she isn’t taken advantage of. She might have not had sex with him if she wasn’t drinking, so if she wakes up the next morning hopefully she’ll realize she was raped. Men do not have the right to a womans body.
Well, yeah. I pretty much agree with every sentence of this.
I think it’s important to say that “drinking” means “drunk” and not “a beer with dinner,” but if she’s wobbly-drunk, then absolutely, NWO.]
…Again the sarcasm clouds your meaning hopelessly. Do you think a man SHOULDN’T care if he takes advantage of a woman? That he DOES have a right to her body? It’s so hard to tell who the real NWO is!
NWO, you’re a fucking idiot. The talk he gives is how to avoid situations that seem high risk in regards to false rape accusations. Is some of it about listening to girls? Yes. But most of it is practical, if I’m being honest, slightly sexist advice about avoiding what he calls “honey traps” and using common fucking sense.
Like, right now, you’re using sarcasm about women and drinking. But for an 18 year old going off to college, whose prior sexual experience may be limited or non-existant, it IS good for someone to tell you the difference between “girl you’ve been at the party with” and “girl who’s about to pass the fuck out.” That is useful information. And it isn’t about listening and deferring to women.
It’s about being smart. Unless, it’s state sanctioned, emasculating “deference” not to stick your dick in a girl who’s barely coherent with eyes that won’t focus.